Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

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I can’t see why Southgate would be interested in the United job, or any club job really. He’s currently managing his national team on (I assume) a good wage. The squad that he has access to is guaranteed to take him to the latter stages of any tournament on their own sheer quality regardless of how he sets them up, and there are many more quality players in the pipeline. There is very little pressure on him in his job to achieve more than what he’s currently achieving and there don’t seem to be any murmurs of discontent or someone else being sought after for the job.

He is in about as ideal a position as he could ever find himself in. The club management scene is far more volatile with a lot more pressure and expectation. I can’t see why it would appeal to him unless he has it in his mind that he can succeed in club football and wants to have a go at it again.

 

[stevoc]

Well I don't think it's imagined or that he's entirely wrong either. But it was clearly impractical with the resources he had and ultimately a failure. Hard to deny he lacked street smarts in how he went about this.

Well you've hit the nail on the head there mate, there will be no long term gain in persevering with a system that isn't working (probably not even with our best XI) because it will get him sacked and unless for some inexplciable reason the next manager decides to play exactly the same way then it's all been a pointless endevour.

 

[Robbie Boy]

You are calling for heads in your post. Just for all other heads except his.

It's the common "blame everyone bar the manager" theme that RedCafe is very fond of.

 

[hobbers]

Perhaps so.

So why is ETH exempt from judgement and consequences and not his current goalkeeper coach, fitness coaches, Fletcher, McLaren etc?

They're failing him, just like the players and Murtough, and he's just a giant victim in it all?

 

[pascell]

The mere fact they'd consider Southgate and only going back on the thought after fan reaction doesn't fill me with optimism.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Footballing structure + best in class coaches for goalkeeping, defending, set pieces and attacking and then whatever coach comes should thrive.

Main thing is getting every other puzzle piece in place. I genuinely still think ETH will be here next year. I think everything else needs to change first around the club.

Then again I'm probably a little too patient compared to some calling for heads.

I don’t think a season of pretty much awful game after game after game… and seemingly getting worse, is impatient.

I really wanted him to work and for some of this season, I’ve been willing to be patient because of last year v this year in terms of injuries. But even with injuries, we look shite… shape, tactic, transition, subs, all of it.

Hes had plenty of time… we need a change

 

[Revan]

The mere fact they'd consider Southgate and only going back on the thought after fan reaction doesn't fill me with optimism.

Hopefully false. Looks peak Glazers otherwise.

 

[Bobski]

The way we are playing is predicated on the idea that we have to evolve the football and not go backwards to a deep sitting counter attack. Because if we do that we will never evolve. We will just carry on buying the kind of players that fit that system. There is a logic to ETH's position, even if we look like a pile of shite and lose every game. I mean at this point in the season does it actually matter that much?

I mean yeah, it's fekkin stupid. But that's the nature of being stuck with players and not being able to spend your way out of a hole. It will take time to clean up this mess.

Are deep block/counter and the non existent midfield set up of this season the only 2 possible options?

 

[pascell]

Hopefully false. Looks peak Glazers otherwise.

I'm hoping that's the case. Imagine finally getting the right people in the right positions, to land on Southgate as our next manager. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[TheNewEra]

So why is ETH exempt from judgement and consequences and not his current goalkeeper coach, fitness coaches, Fletcher, McLaren etc?

They're failing him, just like the players and Murtough, and he's just a giant victim in it all?

ETH isn't a giant victim, but appointments need to made across the board first.

We see ETH first of course because he's the coach. He is the most visible person at the club, on the touch line and giving the press conferences.

We know that not much has changed in over a decade, in terms of Carrington, in terms of not modernizing the departments across the board at the club.

If we take out ETH right now and put any coach in place it will be the same, we're just not a well run club.

I think we can't make a decision on the coach until the very least Ashworth but if we're a well run club it doesn't matter what coach we have, since we have specialists in every facet of the club means we get a brilliant coach that does solely that, coaching. (I'm not for or against ETH but there are other priorities that we need to make before we get a new coach in / stick or twist).

That's where Wilcox needs to do his audit first, and then we need the likes of Ashworth through the door.

The goal isn't to be knee jerk for a marginal bounce, we need to be challenging for major honours again.

Time will tell of course.

 

[Plant0x84]

I thought about it and it still doesn't make sense. It isn't the same bloody squad, so it can't have been in decline for 11 years.

You didn’t read my post, did you?!

 

[JPRouve]

He could be full of shit, but this has been a consistent rumour for months. There's no smoke without fire, someone is feeding the press this.

There is no could. Footmercato has no source of their own, it's an aggregator that decided to also make things up a few years ago. It's like quoting a random redditor.

 

[CallyRed]

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Bayern's rejected his ask for Martinez.

 

[steffyr2]

They should bring Ole back for the rest of the season then go in on Tuchel.

Ten Hag isn't cut out for it. Any great manager should would be able to work with what they have and make the team play well as a group - he can't.

fyp

 

[George The Best]

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Absolutely stupid move if true. Southgate has failed at club level, he’s doing OK with the National Team as he gets the pick of the bunch from every club. Also, we need somebody up and running as soon as possible to prepare for next season - can’t wait until the Euros are over. Just get Tuchel as soon as Bayern have finished with ECL imo.

 

[Toshey]

So Sancho will play as a starter in Champions league final while Eric made United look like Plymouth compared to Crystal Palace.

Interesting turn of events.

 

[stevoc]

You didn’t read my post, did you?!

I read it, yes. Not that I needed to as I'm well aware of the make-up of the various squads we've had over the last 11 years. Your original statement still makes no sense.

 

[George The Best]

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I can’t see why Southgate would be interested in the United job, or any club job really. He’s currently managing his national team on (I assume) a good wage. The squad that he has access to is guaranteed to take him to the latter stages of any tournament on their own sheer quality regardless of how he sets them up, and there are many more quality players in the pipeline. There is very little pressure on him in his job to achieve more than what he’s currently achieving and there don’t seem to be any murmurs of discontent or someone else being sought after for the job.

He is in about as ideal a position as he could ever find himself in. The club management scene is far more volatile with a lot more pressure and expectation. I can’t see why it would appeal to him unless he has it in his mind that he can succeed in club football and wants to have a go at it again.

He’d earn more with us. National Team Manager salary was not great until recently.

 

[golden_blunder]

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Brexit Jim taking it too far.

 

[golden_blunder]

QQ, if we were to pay Newcastle compensation to take DA early, does that count in FFP or whatever form it is now

 

[Irwin99]

My heart sinks when I see those tweets related to Southgate and then I tell myself to stop being so dramatic

They must surely know that the majority of fans would not like the appointment, that a lot of the players would pick up on that, especially if results start to go wrong, that the best that could be achieved is a cautious style of football and maybe a top 4 finish but probably little beyond that. That we tried the softer approach with the players with Ole and that won nothing. There's just nothing to recommend this appointment other than that it might make our British players a bit happier maybe?

 

[Plant0x84]

I read it, yes. Not that I needed to as I'm well aware of the make-up of the various squads we've had over the last 11 years. Your original statement still makes no sense.

Ok, whatever.

 

[peridigm]

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No fecking way the guy from City and the reported best DOF in football think he is the best option. I refuse to believe that. Just trolls being trolls.

 

[hobbers]

It is hilarious how one nobody from a nobody outlet makes a link to Southgate and they all jump on it within the space of 30 minutes.

They know it's the link that sells the most clicks because oppo fans love it and we absolutely despise it.

 

[croadyman]

The mere fact they'd consider Southgate and only going back on the thought after fan reaction doesn't fill me with optimism.

Yeah sort of reminds me when we got linked to Arnautovic and canned the idea of signing him due to the huge fan backlash

 

[That_Bloke]

Bayern Munich fans WANT Ten Hag. The level of fanboying going on in their forum is mind-blowing. You´d think they are talking about Klopp or Guardiola over there. Absolute scenes. Goldy should open a Bayern Munich Stand. They would eat it up. Their whole FanForum still picking ETH over Tuchel AFTER the game last night.

NO.

 

[croadyman]

It is hilarious how one nobody from a nobody outlet makes a link to Southgate and they all jump on it within the space of 30 minutes.

They know it's the link that sells the most clicks because oppo fans love it and we absolutely despise it.

True,however it needs a reliable source to come out and squash this before it gets too much traction

 

[pocco]

I mean, we know the bold bit alone is bollocks. Quite embarrassing how little you know about Mitten. Your view on ex players is quite hilarious.

You know nothing, to be honest. He's a journalist and gets what he's given or the club want him to have. I'm pretty sure Scholes, Owen, Neville etc all talk to each other and probably still many people involved at the club. If you don't think they know anything then that is what is hilarious.

But tell me, what are Mitten's credentials that make him a better judge of ETH than Scholes or Owen? He's changed his tune since his sit down chat that he was generously given with ETH, so what's changed? You're clinging on for dear life here and it's entertaining if nothing else.

 

[VP89]

It is hilarious how one nobody from a nobody outlet makes a link to Southgate and they all jump on it within the space of 30 minutes.

They know it's the link that sells the most clicks because oppo fans love it and we absolutely despise it.

The thought is too damn scary.

Theyl ramp it up with how we are deciding between a proven winner in Tuchel but prefer a British approach in Southgate

 

[kaku06]

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Scares the shit out of me. Thankfully this Santi guy is a fraud. And why this fraud has Alvaro Recoba as his profile pic?

 

[Lash]

QQ, if we were to pay Newcastle compensation to take DA early, does that count in FFP or whatever form it is now

It's got to right? As what other accounts will the money come from but the clubs revenues?

 

[VP89]

Scares the shit out of me. Thankfully this Santi guy is a fraud. And why this fraud has Alvaro Recoba as his profile pic?

Great player. Championship Manager beast.

 

[croadyman]

The thought is too damn scary.

Theyl ramp it up with how we are deciding between a proven winner in Tuchel but prefer a British approach in Southgate

I just pray they choose the right one and that's certainly never gonna be relegation gate

 

[golden_blunder]

It's got to right? As what other accounts will the money come from but the clubs revenues?

That’s what I thought. Something else to take into account when the moaners are saying we’re going too slow to bring in Ashworth

 

[r0663664]

I can’t see why Southgate would be interested in the United job, or any club job really. He’s currently managing his national team on (I assume) a good wage. The squad that he has access to is guaranteed to take him to the latter stages of any tournament on their own sheer quality regardless of how he sets them up, and there are many more quality players in the pipeline. There is very little pressure on him in his job to achieve more than what he’s currently achieving and there don’t seem to be any murmurs of discontent or someone else being sought after for the job.

He is in about as ideal a position as he could ever find himself in. The club management scene is far more volatile with a lot more pressure and expectation. I can’t see why it would appeal to him unless he has it in his mind that he can succeed in club football and wants to have a go at it again.

Seriously, what has Southgate done to qualify for this job? He has an array of talents to choose from and has he won anything yet in football as a coach? @United, he doesn't have the luxury to call upon players when they are injured. If Ineos appoint him, that's some serious shit in mismanagement.

 

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this is so funny

 

[Nytram Shakes]

The mere fact they'd consider Southgate and only going back on the thought after fan reaction doesn't fill me with optimism.

Im hopeful this was nonsense, you never know in football but 90% of transfer rumors' are BS, and as the leak came before we had a CEO, DOF at the club there is a good chance its BS.

But yeah if its true time to abandon all hope!

 

[DJ Jeff]

No fecking way the guy from City and the reported best DOF in football think he is the best option. I refuse to believe that. Just trolls being trolls.

Didn't the reported best DOF in football try to nurture Gary Neville to become the England boss before he crashed and burned, then elevated Southgate to his current role?

 

[Lash]

You know nothing, to be honest. He's a journalist and gets what he's given or the club want him to have. I'm pretty sure Scholes, Owen, Neville etc all talk to each other and probably still many people involved at the club. If you don't think they know anything then that is what is hilarious.

But tell me, what are Mitten's credentials that make him a better judge of ETH than Scholes or Owen? He's changed his tune since his sit down chat that he was generously given with ETH, so what's changed? You're clinging on for dear life here and it's entertaining if nothing else.

OK I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. Neville literally said in his little bit before the palace game with carragher, he doesn't speak to anyone in the footballing department at United.

Mitten knew Murtogh directly, knows people in all roles at the club (regularly cites insights from the analyst teams) and is regularly at Carrington. Scholes and Owen are pundits, if they have any direct link into the club will be one or two people. Mitten is a journalist as you say and corroborates stories. He's set up and been editor for the united we stand fanzine for nearly to 40 years. So yeah, he has much better credentials to be an objective judge of ETH, because he likely knows more about the club than Scholes and especially fecking Owen.

 

[Zed 101]

Footballing structure + best in class coaches for goalkeeping, defending, set pieces and attacking and then whatever coach comes should thrive.

Main thing is getting every other puzzle piece in place. I genuinely still think ETH will be here next year. I think everything else needs to change first around the club.

Then again I'm probably a little too patient compared to some calling for heads.

Better to get a new man in and make him part of the process than to reward ETH the fraud for this seasons show of ineptitude.

I do not buy this keep changing manager cycle of destruction BS, the right manager stops that, using it as a reason to keep a manager who has failed to deliver tactically is pure delusion, yes maybe with the right structure a lesser manager will attain some level of success, however using this as an excuse to keep ETH and give him further money to burn, further time to screw us up, not to mention the laughing stock it makes us, not that we are not already, but by comparative performance there is not a club other than utd where ETH would still be in a job, anywhere else he would have been long gone and we might have had a chance to salvage something from the season