I know the injuries have been bad, but the people that use it as the main excuse do ignore the fact that the exact same issues occur whoever is playing, ever since that first game against Wolves. When Martinez and Shaw have played, we have also given away a ridiculous number of chances and we have also been unable to hold on to a lead.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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I don't think last season is that impressive really, maybe if we'd kicked on this year, but it potentially being the peak of the Ten Hag era is pretty underwhelming really? We had a good patch of form, but a lot of it rested on it being a launching pad to a better second season for me anyway, which obviously hasn't arrived.
It gave hope and some promise, but a lot of that was based on good faith towards the manager and (some of) the squad, which has been mostly all lost now.
It gave hope and some promise, but a lot of that was based on good faith towards the manager and (some of) the squad, which has been mostly all lost now.
My old man was at the Wolves game and told me that it was going to be a long season based on that one game. Haha.
They really did cut through us like a hot knife through butter. Onana got away with the same punch he was penalised for yesterday.
I'd be genuinely interested if someone does have any insight into how it could affect (in a tangible sense) the way he sets his team up, game management and the tactical ineptitude on show this season etc. People hold it up as a reason why he's struggled and/or why he should be given more time. But I suspect it's had little or no impact game to game.
There has always been these weird little cults that form on this forum that unequivocally backed each manager post SAF.
It's been this way since we won the League Cup, last season in February. Wolves at the start of this season was more a continuation.
the perception of first season here is so inflated in so many people’s eyes too. crazy
He's one of the most plodding, uncharismatic managers I've ever heard talk. I'm not surprised a lot of the players don't seem to be listening to him.
Rashfords 3-4 months of world class form covered up a lot of the problems.
Wait until you see what he's said about MctominayIs this a genuine quote?
He's talking more and more nonsense by the week. Is there a more delusional and egotistical manager in football than Ten Hag?Is this a genuine quote?
If they've already made the decision to move him on at the end of the season then aside from a financial issue, there's no reason to keep him until then. The club should be giving themselves the best possible chance of winning the FA Cup and qualifying for Europe, that means someone else managing for the 5 games left.
I can't watch his interviews they're depressing. What did he say about Scott?Wait until you see what he's said about Mctominay
I'm defending him a lot but at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if he said McT enables them to play dynamic sexy football and is a Scottish Zidane.
Basically the ball sticks to his foot and he is our KDB. Probably exagerating a bit.
He is creative and keep the ball.
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Yup. In fact, it was evident in the pre-season game against Lens at OT where they cut through us with ease. The fact this problem is still there and we're almost at the end of the season smacks of incompetency by ETH and his coaching staff.
It's crazy when you think about it. It wasn't really that long ago that we thought bad results were unacceptable. And now not only are we not sacking a manager for having a similar season to Mourinho's but we have fans calling for him to be given another year. Imagine if Mourihno not only survived that season but was given another. Simply on the basis that he previously finished 2nd and won the EL so he can't have been a bad manager.
Scott can do whatever Modric can do and ping long pass like Kroos.
People keep posting tweets from that loon on here
I thought you were all taking the piss as none of those claims are any less ludicrous than the next. Then curiosity got the better of me and he did say the second one.
I'm done with this season, I can't take any more of this shite.
Can you imagine having to suffer another injury ridden season like this one again? Let‘s hope not.
Injuries are a mitigating factor but won‘t save a manager who is massively underperforming.
The large section of our good football last season was before the cup final. Pretty much whilst we were adjusting to his methods. Since his process kicked in we have been very poor and struggle to get a grip on games, conceding way too much possession and attempts away. He’s not as good as people make out - why should we be giving him more time?
Any prominent examples? With a major club in the top 5 leagues?
Guardiola would be an obvious example. He was into his last year in 2022 when he signed his last extension in November. He was even on a rolling one-year deal at Barcelona.
Moyes' contract is up for expiry at the end of the season, and Dyche, Iraola, and Pochettino will all be in their final year next season and none of them are getting a renewal before showing some form next seaaon.
Ancelotti was also in his final year at Madrid, with him even being close to taking the Brazil job, before signing an extension in December. All seems fine there. Flick was in the final year of his deal when he won a treble at Bayern. All good there too.
With time and effort, I could probably find a lot of other examples, but seeing as I'm not the person who randomly made something up, I don't believe that burden should fall on me.
The big section of good football last season was after getting Casemiro in alongside Eriksen as 2 holding mids and playing conservatively. Relying heavily on Rashford creating a lot of goals out of very little.
The good football (in the sense of us generally dominating poor teams and being defensively ok) stopped the second ETH started tinkering and trying the "best transition team in the world" bullshit. The more he leaves his mark, the worse we get in every department.
Basically, yes. Rashford in particular was in fantastic form and carried us.
You need better friends.My Liverpool buddy says ETH starts next season, and the United faithful will be welcoming Southgate with open arms by December.
All well and good but then i remember that it’s his decisions, his tactics and his coaching .
I did not watch the game yesterday but seems like another result that just confirms that he can't keep his job. We won't even reach 60 points mark so this'll be another 21/22 season repeating only 2 years after it happened.
If we beat City, it'll be a fluke so even that can't save him. And chances are we aren't beating them and will probably look worse than we did against them last year.
If we beat City, it'll be a fluke so even that can't save him. And chances are we aren't beating them and will probably look worse than we did against them last year.
The same person who did an "exclusive" about Ten Hag feeling he has been hung out to dry by the United board, also deleted a story about Antony's son loving Sonic. Many are thinking the oddly specific Antony story means its coming from Antony or Ten Hag himself.
Do you think last season was as good as this one has been bad?
Yeah, fair enough.
Nah I don't
Not sure I entirely agree about SAF being this "once in a lifetime" talent as I think it's more complicated than that.
SAF's first full season with United was 1987/88. We had five full seasons with SAF before we won the title and two of those seasons we finished 11th and 13th.....13th!! Fergie would not have kept his job in today's climate. That season we finished 13th we also ended up with a minus goal difference.
My point is that without backing SAF then we would never have had those glory years that turned into an era. My point does not offer solutions-it only creates more confusion as it might mean we need to find a manager to hang our hat on and stick with him. For the record, I am not sure ETH is that man.
We definitely should. At least I hope INEOS and the new structure do this with the players, and ship some of these faces out in the Summer. They should also assess how much accountability ETH should take as well here, and assess whether he'll fix those issues with a proper squad, if he stays. Both these things would happen effectively/simultaneously if we had a football-first hierarchy set up before he got here.
I'm now indifferent to who comes in and coaches us until those structural changes take effect. I honestly don't think any new coach (Even if his name is Guardiola) is going to do that much better here, in fact I'm keen to see what the most ardent ETH-out fans think when the next guy eventually fails spectacularly as well (and they will until we sort out our players and structure).
With ETH, I'd excuse him for losing against the top 4-6 but we really shouldn't be taking as many losses/draws against these weaker teams - I'd be happy even if we ended 6th this season but without these silly defeats / draws. If I were INEOS, I'd try to understand why that's the case and how much of that is attributable to ETH as well? It's a tough call to make on him either way mate which is why I try to stay out of these polls - he's had a lot of really bad mitigating factors that he's dealt with well, but he hasn't helped himself by losing quite a few games that are winnable even with some of our poor-quality players.
Alright. Because that sometimes sounds like the argument made when talking about one good and one bad season, as if they add up. It’s more of a +1 and a -3.
I'm in that same camp as well - We need to give a manager time (4-5 seasons) while holding players accountable, but unsure if ETH is 'the guy'. Whoever the guy is, I'm sure we'll all agree half of these players need to go at least by Summer '25.
Rashford's goals were worth 16 points last season.
75 - 16 = 59 points. We'll probably finish on 54-57 points.
ETH had a par first season because of Oleball tactics and the chief moments player in that system showing up big time.
75 - 16 = 59 points. We'll probably finish on 54-57 points.
ETH had a par first season because of Oleball tactics and the chief moments player in that system showing up big time.
You can't argue that players must be held accountable, whilst also arguing a manager should be given half a decade no questions asked, because at that point the manager isn't being held accountable. That would be foolish in an organisation of any size.
The right manager will naturally get 5 years and more because they earn it. No managers since Ferguson have earned it and they have rightly been sacked. Unfortunately the same can't be said about many of our players, who get rewarded regardless of performance. That obviously needs to change, but that doesn't mean we blame everything on the players and ignore poor management.