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Sarcasm on my part apologies it doesn’t come across on the forum.Interested to know why clearly?
Sarcasm on my part apologies it doesn’t come across on the forum.Interested to know why clearly?
You basically destroy your own ground of argument.
We played a strong team. There is no defending for that kind of performance. It was a win with element of luck. If we drew or lost that game, nobody would say Wolves undeserved it. Same performance and reverse result only made your argument worse.
Tottenham deserved to lose with the same excuse we can use about injuris suspension. Or you now agree to expect every team should perform regardless of injury, suspension.
Here's a quote from ETH after the City game on why Varane isn't being selected:Varane has been unavailable a couple of times already this season for fitness reasons, and has played about 20 minutes of combined football in the four league games around the City game.
That doesn't strike me as a player that's properly available.
As for Ten Hag explaining the tactical reasons for Varane being on the bench against City, you're going to have to link me to that. As far as I remember he said "tactics" when asked and refused to elaborate further when pressed.
He's since said form is keeping him out since, which is actually reasonably fair.
This still doesn't change anything about the clear injury issues at the club, particularly those suffered by defenders.
I'm not going to engage you further on this because, as I said, you've a weird, obsessive agenda here for a supposed Real Madrid supporter, and frankly its goes nowhere.
No apologies, there is so many conflicting opinions the sarcasm passed me bySarcasm on my part apologies it doesn’t come across on the forum.
I think the opposite, and you are completely missing the point. For starters, what you have described is the textbook definition of second-hand knowledge regardless of who it's printed by. More importantly, even if they did want him, the chances of Spurs selling to United, especially given the interest by Bayern and FFP issues, were virtually non-existent. This has been widely reported.
https://theathletic.com/4877364/2023/09/19/manchester-united-harry-kane-transfer-ten-hag/
So, no United had slim to no chance of getting Kane..
There were discussions, check.
Talk about financials, check,
Kane mentioned United by name next to eventual destiny Bayer, check.
If there was no money, then why hold talks at all? At least youve proven my point and Meulensteens Hojland wasnt ETHs number one choice. He, ETH, the manchester united manager, wasnt backed properly.
Manchester United managers dont get the players they want.
Maybe we can now start why do managers go to United and get their career burned with outrageous expecations that never get matched on 2nd or worse choice player buys.
The point was Kane wasn't a feasible transfer target. ETH can target anyone, but it doesn't mean he will get that player because it takes 3 parties to agree to a transfer. 400M spent in 3 transfer windows and he wasn't backed? Comical stuff.There were discussions, check.
Talk about financials, check,
Kane mentioned United by name next to eventual destiny Bayer, check.
If there was no money, then why hold talks at all? At least youve proven my point and Meulensteens Hojland wasnt ETHs number one choice. He, ETH, the manchester united manager, wasnt backed properly.
Manchester United managers dont get the players they want.
Maybe we can now start why do managers go to United and get their career burned with outrageous expecations that never get matched on 2nd or worse choice player buys.
Ten Hag specifically said that he did not select Varane for tactical reasons. He has said that multiple times. He even explained what some of those tactical reasons are.
What is "agenda-driven" is trying to defend Ten Hag by making up excuses for him that are contradicted by his actual words and actions.
The point was Kane wasn't a feasible transfer target. ETH can target anyone, but it doesn't mean he will get that player because it takes 3 parties to agree to a transfer. 400M spent in 3 transfer windows and he wasn't backed? Comical stuff.
I'm not blaming anyone. I'm simply describing the reality of the situation. A transfer target is nothing more than a target. There is no guarantee you will obtain the players you want. Klopp didn't get Bellingham, Caicedo, or Lavia. Did Liverpool's board fail him? Is the season a mulligan because he couldn't secure any of his first-choice targets?First you blame ETH for not selecting a feasible transfer target, and then you blame him for spending 400 million on 2nd choice players. He can never win, can he?
I remain, the current squad mess, lack of vision, FFP problems, manager after another: its on The Glazers. A top 10 side and if United manages to finish top 6, that is a job well done for Ten Hag.
Really?
Utd won that game and there was still nothing but whining about the performance, the result and Onana.
Spurs basically scored after 3 mins and camped on their 18 for the rest of the game and conceded 2 injury time to lose.
If those results were reversed we'd be hearing about how great it was that Spurs won and how shit Utd were for throwing it away.
First you blame ETH for not selecting a feasible transfer target, and then you blame him for spending 400 million on 2nd choice players. He can never win, can he?
I remain, the current squad mess, lack of vision, FFP problems, manager after another: its on The Glazers. A top 10 side and if United manages to finish top 6, that is a job well done for Ten Hag.
I don't get why the Ten Hag fans, or any manager fans in general, get annoyed by people complaining.
By the most moany of them allMoany people, moaning about people moaning about how moany they are.![]()
I don't get why the Ten Hag fans, or any manager fans in general, get annoyed by people complaining. It's actually a ridiculous concept. Every manager is the same, once people start criticizing him or even asking him to go out, people like you start to focus on moaning about people who are moaning.
It's like you don't want to hear different opinions on an internet forum that must have thousands of posters. You want to hear your own opinion only then moan about anyone who doesn't share that opinion.
Very entitled and self-centered point of view if anything.
Get it or not, as long as you're on internet you'll hear different opinions from all extremes from extreme delusion to extreme depression. If you can't get with it, then internet might not be for you.
The manager isn't a god. Hell, even God himself doesn't have the whole world believing in him, yet you want everyone to back a human being! Absolutely ridiculous when you think about it.
He was a god to you 6 months ago... you'd really ought to just have a look at your own posts in this thread.
You'd then know all about it when it comes to extremes. He went from a god to a charlatan in a few weeks in your view. If fact I checked and I'd actually say it was probably March 5th that brought about the swing.
I change my opinions, so? This is another strawman argument. This is a football forum about a media of entertainment for God's sake. Changing my opinion about an entertainment media isn't a crime. It's like changing my opinion about a movie after re-watching it. No one will blame for it.
Not that what's I'm talking about anyway. You either didn't understand or just shifted the discussion to the same few words you memorized.
It's fine for people to have different opinions about a sports manager from all extremes. Get on with it and stop moaning about people sharing their opinions. If they are hurting your feeling and you want an echo chamber then internet isn't for you. Actually real life might not be for you either in that case.
Moany people, moaning about people moaning about how moany they are.![]()
Nah, it's the extremes you go to.
Seriously, just have a look at your own post history in here,
You started moaning after the City 6-3 game, then quietened down a bit, claimed you didn't watch a lot of games. Won the league cup, he was a legend. Since the 7-0 it's been a relentless tirade of shit posts.
Me or anyone else are fine to do whatever we want on this forum as long as we are following the rules. You just derail the thread by continuously complaining about our own opinions. You don't like our opinions, ignore us. Telling us what to do is a very entitled and self centered point of view that has been going for few years and ruined this forum.
You have done nothing in these last few post except proving my words. This is football, not religion. Get over it.
Not telling you what to do, you post about extremes and delusion. Yet your posts are all that in this thread, but you fail to see it.
Ignored.
Fixed it for you.
Now you're ignored.
It's because those manager fans are bullying anyone on this forum who dares to critcizie the manager. They haunt them, attack them and keep on complaining nonstop about them daring to post their opinions on the forum. Instead of just posting their own opinions or discuss, they turn the forum into continuous complaining about the others' opinions. They want this to be an echo chamber.
This has been the case for the last few years now and it's just a ridiculous concept.
Bullying? How so? Is there a chance people are reacting to your own posts? If more people think differently to you and challenge your views it’s not bullying, it’s just general consensus
You don’t need to react to every single post you disagree with and you don’t need to respond to everybody who has a different view to you, like they are the exact same. We aren’t all the same and this idea, quite popular on social media, that if you think something on one thing about a topic it means you are bracketed as the same on so many other things, is an unhealthy way of engaging.
You are haunting anybody who supports ETH. I only know of you as a poster because you are always here to have a pop at somebody who tries to defend him. Like the same people who couldn’t help and spread their misery in my “optimistic” thread. They had every right to post but they aren’t adding anything to the thread, just dumping their pessimism that some people seem to thrive on!
It’s ironic that some people call it the cult of manager because if that’s accurate then they themselves subscribe to the “cult of sacking managers”. I believe this is just a quite shallow way of spoiling debate/discussion and is used when people can’t use logic to defend their position. It’s not a cult of anything, it’s people with different opinions.
Bring your evidence on this.
Bring your evidence on this.
People here will shit all over the club's standards just to defend the manager.
It's not though. McTominay, sancho, Varane, Lindelof, Maguire, Rashford, martial, Dalot, wan bissaka are all not 'his players'.The current squad is Ten Hag's. He has signed a lot of players, splashed a lot of money, had far more than enough time to choose his players, and even those who aren't his signings were given contracts under him, given the armband or trusted to start weekly.
The bold part is hilarious but it's not a surprise. People here will shit all over the club's standards just to defend the manager.
The results are fine. We can't extrapolate really because sides hit form at different times over the course of a season. Being within 6-7 pts of title leaders despite a huge injury crisis and confidence shot team is actually a good thing.Results are not terrible when you look at the table but what’s with our fans bragging all over the place for the last few days about being just 7 points behind City and 6 behind Arsenal and Liverpool as if it’s good?
We are only 12 games into the season, we have already played 8 out of the bottom 10 teams including all of bottom 3, and if you extrapolate our current gap to these teams over the course of season we are going to end up around 20 points behind all of them - and that’s not even factoring in our easy calendar so far.
Results are not ‘good’ by any means.
Results have been average, performances have been poor.Results are not terrible when you look at the table but what’s with our fans bragging all over the place for the last few days about being just 7 points behind City and 6 behind Arsenal and Liverpool as if it’s good?
We are only 12 games into the season, we have already played 8 out of the bottom 10 teams including all of bottom 3, and if you extrapolate our current gap to these teams over the course of season we are going to end up around 20 points behind all of them - and that’s not even factoring in our easy calendar so far.
Results are not ‘good’ by any means.
Results are not terrible when you look at the table but what’s with our fans bragging all over the place for the last few days about being just 7 points behind City and 6 behind Arsenal and Liverpool as if it’s good?
We are only 12 games into the season, we have already played 8 out of the bottom 10 teams including all of bottom 3, and if you extrapolate our current gap to these teams over the course of season we are going to end up around 20 points behind all of them - and that’s not even factoring in our easy calendar so far.
Results are not ‘good’ by any means.
Because (amidst a massive injury crisis and a load of off-field nonsense) we've been shite, yet Brighton have "BEAT" football and Newcastle are great, and yet we're still within touching distance. We're within touching distance and above both teams, precisely because the results have actually not been as bad as made out.
Is it great that we've scraped our wins? Obviously not. Does the result change just because we struggled to win by one goal, and didn't coast to a victory by five? No.
As for this "if you extrapolate this over the season" bollocks, that's not how football works.
The top half of last season's table at around the same stage:
Extrapolated over 38 games (and then the actual position/points and the difference):
- Arsenal - 28 pts
- City - 26 pts
- Spurs - 23 pts
- Newcastle - 21 pts
- Chelsea - 21 pts
- United - 20 pts
- Fulham - 18 pts
- Liverpool - 16 pts
- Brighton - 15 pts
- West Ham - 14 pts
Almost like form isn't consistent throughout the season, and a team five points off fourth a quarter of the way through isn't, by default, twenty points off at the end.
- Arsenal - 97 pts (2nd/84)( -1/-13)
- City - 90 pts (1st/89) (+1/-1)
- Spurs - 73 pts (8th/60) (-5/-13)
- Chelsea - 73 pts (12th/44) (-8/-29)
- United - 69 pts (3rd/75) (+2/+6)
- Newcastle - 67 pts (4th/71) (+2/+4)
- Fulham - 57 pts (10th/52) (-3/-5)
- Liverpool - 55 pts (5th/67) (+3/+12)
- Brighton - 52 pts (6th/62) (+3/+10)
- Crystal Palace - 45 pts (11th/45) (-1/0)
- West Ham - 44 pts (14th/40) (-3/-4)
Oh I think it can get much, much worse. The fact we have barely played any decent teams, and every single point we have picked up has been against a bottom 10 team indicates it can get much worse.Results have been average, performances have been poor.
I don't think anyone should be bragging, I think it's more a case of it can't get any worse and we are not that far behind. People believe that there are signs that with injuries and confidence we can go on a run. Our style has changed dramatically to last season so there will need to be time before it shows and we find a rhythm.
Well I didn’t really mean each team is going to get 3 times as many points as they got so far, just pointed out that 6-7 points isn’t few when you’ve only played 12 games. It’s a gap that can only be turned around in minimum 2 and most likely 3 rounds of games, so a fourth of what has already been played.
Also the difficulty of fixtures has to be taken into perspective. We have probably had the easiest calendar of all top 10 teams so far, playing 8/10 bottom 10 teams and playing 7 out of 12 games at home. This definitely skews things in our favor. It’s quite clear us being 6th has a lot to do with the fact that our calendar has been extremely favorable and not simply quality of our game.
Newcastle for instance are a point behind us but have already played 6 out of the remaining 9 top half teams and have only us, Chelsea and Spurs remaining. They have an injury / absentees crisis now though so could very well fall further behind.
Brighton have actually been quite bad since they beat us. I don’t think anyone can reasonably say they’ve had a good season, they are clearly struggling with juggling PL and Europe.
Only had to go back a few posts
So people who don’t share your views on ETH are , in your words, “sh*tting all over the clubs standards”.
I’m just saying that perhaps there’s times when people are responding hostile to your own hostility towards others.
It's not though. McTominay, sancho, Varane, Lindelof, Maguire, Rashford, martial, Dalot, wan bissaka are all not 'his players'.
I was wrong on calling you out for making shit up before, but I sure as hell ain't now.