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He was never very good with the ball at his feet but he looked a lot less bad because 7 or 8 years ago there much less expectations on keepers to be comfortable on the ball.

He was always able to hit an accurate long pass out wide and can still pull this off, given enough space and time. What he never did was to look like an extra defender when we’re passing the ball round the back. At ease on the ball, making and receiving passes on either foot, instantly aware of the best passing option and relaxed when getting closed down. That’s the expectation from top keepers now and he’s being shown up by far better ball players in goals at other clubs.

At first I thought that it was reasonable(outside of the fact that I didn't suggest that he was very good :p). But 7-8 years ago, is the era where the goal is to have players that are ideally like Neuer or Ter Stegen but more realistically like Bravo, Navas or Buffon. The exception among top teams and goalkeepers was Oblak and to some extent De Gea.
 
I dont see how DDG would flourish in ETH's system. I would assume the goalkeeper's distribution and even willingness to rush out on field to usher the ball are key to the system. DDG sucks at those things.
 
He was never very good with the ball at his feet but he looked a lot less bad because 7 or 8 years ago there much less expectations on keepers to be comfortable on the ball.

He was always able to hit an accurate long pass out wide and can still pull this off, given enough space and time. What he never did was to look like an extra defender when we’re passing the ball round the back. At ease on the ball, making and receiving passes on either foot, instantly aware of the best passing option and relaxed when getting closed down. That’s the expectation from top keepers now and he’s being shown up by far better ball players in goals at other clubs.
There was also a lot more leeway as far as the receiver goes back then. A goalkeeper lofting a pass out to a full back didn’t need to be too accurate because they’d be in a lot more space. Teams today push up and are a lot more compact so passes have to be pretty much pin point from keepers.
 
I hope Erik ten Hag has the authority to come in and immediately make the big calls.

When Guardiola went to city and immediately fecked off Hart, I knew he was going to be ruthless in building his team.

So I hope if he knows De Gea isn’t for him, he quickly makes that call to replace him
 
Got a question for you as an Ajax fan.

Frank de Boer won you 4 straight league titles but then flopped at Palace and his reputation has never really recovered.

What's the difference in how he was perceived then compared to how ten Hag is perceived now? Was FdB seen as a class up and coming manager? He's younger than EtH.

as a Ajax fan what’s your opinion of him coming here? You think he’ll do good?

Can I answer tomorrow, just arrived in the pub here haha
 
Got a question for you as an Ajax fan.

Frank de Boer won you 4 straight league titles but then flopped at Palace and his reputation has never really recovered.

What's the difference in how he was perceived then compared to how ten Hag is perceived now? Was FdB seen as a class up and coming manager? He's younger than EtH.
Ajax supporters were increasingly unhappy with the football his team showed, and most were content with him leaving. Despite that they were grateful for the success he had during some turbulent times for the club. But the sentiment was quite different then compared to now with Ten Hag.

FdB also is just a bad people manager. He has a cold and grumpy personality. Got away with it at Ajax for the most part because he's a child of the club, and well respected. Less so at other clubs. But back then FdB was more seen as a young manager with potential, while Ten Hag is seen more as a top manager already.
 
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De Gea is such a legendary shot stopper who has saved our arse so many times that it's very tempting to ignore all of his other flaws. I'm guilty of it myself. If Ten Hag can't help him improve his distribution and sweeping he'll need to be replaced, simple as that.
 
Ajax supporters were increasingly unhappy with the football his team showed, and most were content with him leaving. Despite that they were grateful for the success he had during some turbulent times for the club. But the sentiment was quite different then compared to now with Ten Hag.

FdB also is just a bad people manager. He has a cold and grumpy personality. Got away with it at Ajax for the most part because he's a child of the club, and well respected. Less so at other clubs. But back then FdB was more seen as a young manager with potential, while Ten Hag is seen more as a top manager already.

Interesting. Thanks!
 
I dont see how DDG would flourish in ETH's system. I would assume the goalkeeper's distribution and even willingness to rush out on field to usher the ball are key to the system. DDG sucks at those things.

Hes played for Spain where this is expected, I think he can do it up to a point but it's never been something that's been fully asked of him while playing here, whether he can do it and be good at it remains to be seen.
 
There was also a lot more leeway as far as the receiver goes back then. A goalkeeper lofting a pass out to a full back didn’t need to be too accurate because they’d be in a lot more space. Teams today push up and are a lot more compact so passes have to be pretty much pin point from keepers.

Yeah, true. Although to me the biggest recent change is how much more often keepers keep the ball on the ground. And that’s where De Gea seems to struggle most of all. As I said, he just seems to fall apart completely whenever he’s asked to keep act as another defender and keep possession by passing it around at the back. That’s when he ends up losing his cool and smashing the ball upfield (often getting a crappy contact and barely making the halfway line)
 
I do think some people have unrealistic expectations with regards to the players. DDG and Maguire are certain first team players for the first season at least. I'm not a huge fan of Dalot but i'm interested to see if Erik likes the look of him.

I'd be be very surprised if we bought more than 4 players in his first transfer window despite the exodus that will happen with the players that are leaving. I imagine youth players will get a big chance to shine.
If we buy a CDM, a RW, and a striker we would still have to play Dalot, Maguire, Shaw, and probably one of McFred next season. It would take a miracle to challenge for the title. Of the youth players only Hannibal has impressed me.
 
For those who have followed more closely, is it likely ETH would use Bruno as a false 9? For a while it has seemed like it may be the best option and gives some tactical flexibility, as not many formations afford a pure number 10.
 
Hes played for Spain where this is expected, I think he can do it up to a point but it's never been something that's been fully asked of him while playing here, whether he can do it and be good at it remains to be seen.
Hasnt he been in and out of the spanish squad? I dont think he can do that job for us when Henderson can do it better
 
The more you look at our squad, the more you realise so many of our players are unfit for purpose in a Ten Hag team. A thorough overhaul is required, unless Ten Hag is more flexible in his approach than we're giving him credit for.
 
If we buy a CDM, a RW, and a striker we would still have to play Dalot, Maguire, Shaw, and probably one of McFred next season. It would take a miracle to challenge for the title. Of the youth players only Hannibal has impressed me.
Yeah i'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen. This squad is still miles away from City and Liverpool in terms of talent. People were really deluding themselves with Liverpool's injuries last season.

I'm hopeful of a top 4 challenge (a finish ideally) and some progress with a good brand of football and no more mention of all that United DNA crap. If we can see real genuine progress I'd be very happy. I'm expecting there will be a few bumps along the road but i'm hoping if we're patient we'll see good results.
 
Would you say VDS was terrible with the ball at his feet then by modern standards?

Because if it's just all about perception, De Gea looked like a massive upgrade to VDS with his on-ball ability when he joined.
The strange thing is that both VDS and DDG deteriorated badly with their distribution during their time with us. VDS was a good ball-player throughout most of his career. When he first joined he was comfortably better than DDG ever looked for us and I think he would have been fine by modern standards, but by the time he retired he'd dropped right off. Then DDG joined and looked decent, but that didn't last too long.
 
The more you look at our squad, the more you realise so many of our players are unfit for purpose in a Ten Hag team. A thorough overhaul is required, unless Ten Hag is more flexible in his approach than we're giving him credit for.
He won't be taking things lightly given he could have waited for City or Real job if he wanted.
 
How sure are we that this is done? I'm concerned it could easily fall through.
 
Ajax supporters were increasingly unhappy with the football his team showed, and most were content with him leaving. Despite that they were grateful for the success he had during some turbulent times for the club. But the sentiment was quite different then compared to now with Ten Hag.

FdB also is just a bad people manager. He has a cold and grumpy personality. Got away with it at Ajax for the most part because he's a child of the club, and well respected. Less so at other clubs. But back then FdB was more seen as a young manager with potential, while Ten Hag is seen more as a top manager already.

That's reassuring to hear, especially from an Ajax fan.

Your statement alone is enough to convince us that ETH will be an overwhelming success at the club and will henceforth be known as King Eric, part Deux (or the Dutch equivalent of two, whatever that is).

Thank you so much.
 
Interesting. Thanks!
De Boer also consistently disappointed in Europe. He couldn't possibly be fired caused he kept winning the league, but in many ways, he wasn't really an 'Ajax manager' and not someone who is remembered particularly fondly in Amsterdam. (As a manager; different as a player of course.)

For what it's worth, people in the Netherlands were also very unimpressed when De Boer was appointed coach of the national team. He did have a couple of failures abroad to his name by then of course, but again, his time as Ajax manager wasn't considered particularly positive either. (And of course he messed up the national team job as well.)

So as @Bloedrood also indicated, you really can't compare Ten Hag and De Boer, they come with a completely different pedigree.
 
Yeah that raised my eyebrow. It’s no secret that Ten Hag likes his to team to build from the back and expects his keeper to be an available outlet. De Gea simply doesn’t have the attributes to operate that way. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Henderson becomes our keeper for the near future.

Henderson isn't much better, if at all, than de Gea.

I just think, keep David as number one next season and try and scout a keeper that suits EtH.
 
De Boer also consistently disappointed in Europe. He couldn't possibly be fired caused he kept winning the league, but in many ways, he wasn't really an 'Ajax manager' and not someone who is remembered particularly fondly in Amsterdam. (As a manager; different as a player of course.)

For what it's worth, people in the Netherlands were also very unimpressed when De Boer was appointed coach of the national team. He did have a couple of failures abroad to his name by then of course, but again, his time as Ajax manager wasn't considered particularly positive either. (And of course he messed up the national team job as well.)

So as @Bloedrood also indicated, you really can't compare Ten Hag and De Boer, they come with a completely different pedigree.

Thanks! Yeah it’s just interesting. On paper De Boer was a more successful manager for Ajax but it doesn’t always show the full story.
 
Hes played for Spain where this is expected, I think he can do it up to a point but it's never been something that's been fully asked of him while playing here, whether he can do it and be good at it remains to be seen.
He hasn’t played for Spain since he was dropped for Unai Simon in 2020. Before that he was dropped for Kepa…
 
Thanks! Yeah it’s just interesting. On paper De Boer was a more successful manager for Ajax but it doesn’t always show the full story.
Yeah, I'm never really fond of comparisons that go by trophies or achievements; it's usually not very interesting.

Of course, it is important that a manager with a truly competitive team manages to win stuff. It speaks to their ability to respond to circumstances, to instill a winning mentality in a team, and to enable it to perform at the moment of greatest pressure. But whether it's two or five trophies or whatever is usually less interesting.
 
How sure are we that this is done? I'm concerned it could easily fall through.
Well everyday new updates but nothing concrete apparently.

I’m guessing that ETH is making sure nothing fall through the cracks before his signature on contract.
 
De Gea is such a legendary shot stopper who has saved our arse so many times that it's very tempting to ignore all of his other flaws. I'm guilty of it myself. If Ten Hag can't help him improve his distribution and sweeping he'll need to be replaced, simple as that.
The margins are so tight that even if he did improve on his ability he'd still be behind the competition unless a miracle happens
 
They're waiting for his references to come through. Apparently he gave 2 personal references and 1 professional but he was only allowed to give 2 professionals.

Apparently the deal could fall through because of this.
 
I do think some people have unrealistic expectations with regards to the players. DDG and Maguire are certain first team players for the first season at least. I'm not a huge fan of Dalot but i'm interested to see if Erik likes the look of him.

I'd be be very surprised if we bought more than 4 players in his first transfer window despite the exodus that will happen with the players that are leaving. I imagine youth players will get a big chance to shine.

So long as it is the right four players thats ok. One or two promotions from youth along with that and that's a great start. Hopefully 9 or 10 outgoings inclusive of those players that don't need to be replaced i.e. Grant, Mata, Pierera, Lingard, Jones (don't need to be replaced as they probably have less than 10 league appearances between them this season).

Four high quality players could really transform us.
 
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Got a question for you as an Ajax fan.

Frank de Boer won you 4 straight league titles but then flopped at Palace and his reputation has never really recovered.

What's the difference in how he was perceived then compared to how ten Hag is perceived now? Was FdB seen as a class up and coming manager? He's younger than EtH.
Ranking of most goals scored per game in Eredivisie of last 12 seasons. This includes every dutch side (Ajax, PSV, Twente).

1. ETH 19' = 3.5 gpg
2. Jol 10' = 3.12 gpg
3. Advocaat 13' = 3.03 gpg
4. ETH 21' = 3 gpg
5. ETH 22' = 2.96 gpg
6. MVB 19' = 2.88 gpg
7. de Boer 12' = 2.74 gpg
8. ETH 20' = 2.72 gpg
9. Cocu 15'= 2.71 gpg
10. Keizer, ETH* 18' = 2.62 gpg (* ETH only had 2.19 gpg after he took over).
11. Cocu 16' = 2.59 gpg
12. Cocu 18' = 2.56 gpg
13. Rutten, Cocu 12' = 2.56 gpg
14. Schmidt 22' = 2.54 gpg
15. Bronckhorst 17' = 2.53 gpg
16. Adriaanse, Mcclaren 12' = 2.41 gpg
17. Rutten 11' = 2.32 gpg

Notice the goals de Boer put up against ETH's Ajax sidees.
 
I am sure this has been posted before but for those who have not seen it, its worth a watch:



The key to success is the runs off the ball.


Hopefully, he can drill that into that bunch of lazy selfish cnuts.

Ya right. They will all conspire to throw him out.
 
De Gea is such a legendary shot stopper who has saved our arse so many times that it's very tempting to ignore all of his other flaws. I'm guilty of it myself. If Ten Hag can't help him improve his distribution and sweeping he'll need to be replaced, simple as that.
This point has been discussed to death, it’s bordering on a myth. Yes some of the best goalkeepers playing today are great sweepers and many are better with their feet than De Gea but the weight that’s put on that on here/twitter is crazy. Further, It’s an incredibly one dimensional way of looking at things. It’s also half the debate as the system/teammates need to create options for a keeper in possession.

In terms of net contribution to the team De Gea has been sensational this season. The notion that De Gea isn’t up to the modern game/needs to be replaced is way off the mark for me.
 
Ranking of most goals scored per game in Eredivisie of last 12 seasons. This includes every dutch side (Ajax, PSV, Twente).

1. ETH 19' = 3.5 gpg
2. Jol 10' = 3.12 gpg
3. Advocaat 13' = 3.03 gpg
4. ETH 21' = 3 gpg
5. ETH 22' = 2.96 gpg
6. MVB 19' = 2.88 gpg
7. de Boer 12' = 2.74 gpg
8. ETH 20' = 2.72 gpg
9. Cocu 15'= 2.71 gpg
10. Keizer, ETH* 18' = 2.62 gpg (* ETH only had 2.19 gpg after he took over).
11. Cocu 16' = 2.59 gpg
12. Cocu 18' = 2.56 gpg
13. Rutten, Cocu 12' = 2.56 gpg
14. Schmidt 22' = 2.54 gpg
15. Bronckhorst 17' = 2.53 gpg
16. Adriaanse, Mcclaren 12' = 2.41 gpg
17. Rutten 11' = 2.32 gpg

Notice the goals de Boer put up against ETH's Ajax sidees.
3.5 gpg, are you kidding me? Do they teach defending at all in that league?
 
3.5 gpg, are you kidding me? Do they teach defending at all in that league?

Afonso Alves scored 34goals in 31 matches before moving over to Middlesbrough for a record fee and you know what happened after. There there are the Jozy Altidore, Vincent Janssen and our very own Memphis...
 
I think he will keep him but more due to it being a lower priority than other positions. We're not like City in that we can just spend whatever until we get the keeper we want.

Yeah only because right now we have higher priorities than upgrading to a modern style GK
 
I do think some people have unrealistic expectations with regards to the players. DDG and Maguire are certain first team players for the first season at least. I'm not a huge fan of Dalot but i'm interested to see if Erik likes the look of him.

I'd be be very surprised if we bought more than 4 players in his first transfer window despite the exodus that will happen with the players that are leaving. I imagine youth players will get a big chance to shine.

Yeah could see an absolute maximum in the summer of DM, CM, RW & ST. Yes there is an issue at RB but Erik could give the likes of Dalot/Laird chances.
 
This point has been discussed to death, it’s bordering on a myth. Yes some of the best goalkeepers playing today are great sweepers and many are better with their feet than De Gea but the weight that’s put on that on here/twitter is crazy. Further, It’s an incredibly one dimensional way of looking at things. It’s also half the debate as the system/teammates need to create options for a keeper in possession.

In terms of net contribution to the team De Gea has been sensational this season. The notion that De Gea isn’t up to the modern game/needs to be replaced is way off the mark for me.
If he was such a good Keeper he wouldn't be like the 10th choice GK for the Spanish NT. He only looks good because we currently have no identity and our defending is chaotic leading to us conceding tonnes of chances which suits his shot stopping. Once we're able to instill the basics of a possession based/high pressing game you'll see how much of a liability De Gea is if he hasn't been able to improve on other aspects(which he's been bad at since he joined us) besides shot stopping at 31 he never will they're things you either have or you don't
 
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