fergiewherearethou
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We are still in the League Cup, no way he is getting the sack at this point.
We are still in the League Cup, no way he is getting the sack at this point.
We might have been the best time in the 1st half, but West Ham was superior in the second half - so we were not quite unlucky in my opinion.
Leicester is irrelevant. If Chelsea beat us he should go.By 10 am we will begin to see stories of ''Ten Hag given Leicester and Chelsea games to save his job''
Actually I think they are going to wait until we are in the relegation zone. Why make anything easy for the incoming manager?He won’t be sacked today. It just won’t happen. It will happen but after Chelsea game. It doesn’t make any sense to get a new manager in to lose to Chelsea if he did we’d instantly say it’s the players.
I remember how media made a big issue about decision making before INEOS. How Woodward must wait on Joel to sign something.Aye, its all too quiet for my liking
Surely someone out of berrarda, ashworth, brailsford, ratcliffle is brave enough to pull the trigger now??
Maybe Maz will be an improvement to our first XI if Shaw is ever fit. Otherwise we didn't improve it in the summer for me.Not completely. De Ligt and Maz have been some of our best players this season.
I don’t watch modern day Eredivisie anywhere near enough to know, but I seriously wonder what the tactical level is there as to why so many come from that league and are baffled by the concept of tactical amendments and adjustments.He has to be one of the worst in game managers I've ever seen.
If the opposition ever change their approach within a game we're often totally fecked... Well more fecked then we normally are
The problem is that the margins are becoming so fine, you’ll need league winning form to get us into the CL. That’s on these owners more than the incompetent manager they’re letting tank the season.The window of opportunity to salvage the season is still open but it will be closing soon. Six points to top 5 and CL and five to EL after nine games is manageable, but 12 points after 18 games won’t be. Obviously the latter scenario would involve ten Hag, the former would not.
I feel like the fact that you have to list all these people shows the problem... who really can pull the trigger?
I was ETH in until about 3 games into this season. Without getiting to deep into the tactics, look at who is constantly on the end of our chances, Garnacho and fecking Dalot which is not a mistake. Our best finishers are probably Rashford, Bruno and maybe Hojlund? We should be setting up to get them three on the end of things, Garnacho is a 1 in 10 shots player and Dalot is a never in a million.there are a few reasons for which I'm not still "ETH out" yet. First and foremost I'm not still sure what the problem with this team is. Last season the massive void in the middle of the park was the problem? But this season? I see little evidence that tactically he is doing something massively wrong. I don't think the players aim for the bar when they shoot. With a little bit of luck we could have scored 3-4 goals that would give 6-8 more points. I see players fighting for him, maybe these players are not good enough (and yes i know he got most of them). Also I'm looking at the managers market and i dread the likes of Southgate, Potter, Xavi as i think they are worse.
Basically what im saying is simple: i wouldn't sack him because i don't know what the problem is and what is the fix.
Given Shaw is never fit for us it's already an improvementMaybe Maz will be an improvement to our first XI if Shaw is ever fit. Otherwise we didn't improve it in the summer for me.
Villa are seven points ahead and ended on 68 points last season. If they were to repeat that you’d need 59 points from 29 games. That equals two points per game, not quite league winning form, actually over a full season that’s only one point more than United got in 2022/23. And Villa have CL games in between EPL match weeks now so who knows how they’ll cope come January.The problem is that the margins are becoming so fine, you’ll need league winning form to get us into the CL. That’s on these owners more than the incompetent manager they’re letting tank the season.
There is no way with the way we are currently set up that we score enough goals to get two points per game. No chance.Villa are seven points ahead and ended on 68 points last season. If they were to repeat that you’d need 59 points from 29 games. That equals two points per game, not quite league winning form, actually only one point more than United got in 2022/23. And Villa have CL games in between EPL match weeks now so who knows how they’ll cope come January.
It looks a distant dream now with Ten Hag, and obviously other teams like Spurs come into the equation above. But the season is certainly still quite open after 9 games. The window of opportunity is rapidly closing though.
Villa are seven points ahead and ended on 68 points last season. If they were to repeat that you’d need 59 points from 29 games. That equals two points per game, not quite league winning form, actually over a full season that’s only one point more than United got in 2022/23. And Villa have CL games in between EPL match weeks now so who knows how they’ll cope come January.
It looks a distant dream now with Ten Hag, and obviously other teams like Spurs come into the equation above. But the season is certainly still quite open after 9 games. The window of opportunity is rapidly closing though.
You also need to factor in the sliding scale; we’re getting worse and worse, translated to more and more points lost and the point differential widening. To make up that ground and usurp what’s there, we’d have to do relatively incredibly.Villa are seven points ahead and ended on 68 points last season. If they were to repeat that you’d need 59 points from 29 games. That equals two points per game, not quite league winning form, actually over a full season that’s only one point more than United got in 2022/23. And Villa have CL games in between EPL match weeks now so who knows how they’ll cope come January.
It looks a distant dream now with Ten Hag, and obviously other teams like Spurs come into the equation above. But the season is certainly still quite open after 9 games. The window of opportunity is rapidly closing though.
I think that's a very valid opinion to have.there are a few reasons for which I'm not still "ETH out" yet. First and foremost I'm not still sure what the problem with this team is. Last season the massive void in the middle of the park was the problem? But this season? I see little evidence that tactically he is doing something massively wrong. I don't think the players aim for the bar when they shoot. With a little bit of luck we could have scored 3-4 goals that would give 6-8 more points. I see players fighting for him, maybe these players are not good enough (and yes i know he got most of them). Also I'm looking at the managers market and i dread the likes of Southgate, Potter, Xavi as i think they are worse.
Basically what im saying is simple: i wouldn't sack him because i don't know what the problem is and what is the fix.
And the longer that a losing or toxic mentality is allowed to fester in a group of people (whether football players or at any other random workplace) the harder it is to turn it around. While some players are naturally stronger or weaker in that regard than others, over time people will rise or fall based on what surrounds them. And the person who has by far the biggest impact on that mentality is the person in charge.Agree, but for how long? The challenge for the next manager (and any manager), is to bring consistency to the performances of this bunch of players. ETH clearly can't do it, but I'm also not convinced the group has a winning mentality collectively.
There's another international break coming up.So in our last 38 games we’ve accumulated 58 points (W15, D11, L12, goals for 57, goals against 58).
Keep going like this and we’re heading for around 44-50 points this season.
Absolutely no excuses. ETH has to go.
He is a multi-billionaire, usually find multi billionaires are right tight wads where their employees are concerned. That is why they are multi-billionaires. Didn't want to pay to compensation for Ashworth, same will be happening with ETH. They want him to quit, even if it leaves the team in a perilous position. It is a war of attrition.Jim cost-cutting Ratcliffe couldn't even afford to send two players to the Ballon d'Or nominees, let alone pay 20m to sack his summer mistake.
I'd take that end of season finish right nowReminder that we were 7th when Moyes was fired. 7th would now be considered miraculous.
Rumours are that they are, Xavi, Inzaghi and a few others have apparently been spoken to. Xavi's wife posted this, this morning. Read absolutely nothing into it but we all need something positive today.I'm convinced that INEOS are working in the background to get his replacement in.
The fact that he's still here now means he could easily still be here in January.I'll never understand this period, which happens with every manager eventually, when he's clearly done but still on the sidelines awaiting the axe.
There is no world where he is manager in January even, and we're losing every week, so there just isn't a downside to getting rid.
We even have a caretaker ready to go while the proper manager is signed.
Is there anything worse than this position we've been in a few times where we have to want our team to lose for the greater good?