Not at all - Moyes should never have been appointed and he was out of his depth. Fellaini was also not United standard, albeit he wouldn’t make my top 10 of worse United signings since 2013 (since 2008 maybe). However, I wouldn’t read too much into the backroom staff - basically everyone in that era (including David Gill for that matter) was made to look good by being associated with a once in a lifetime genius. Simply put, Moyes is a better manager than our current Frank de Boer level joker.Geez are we calling Fellaini a great signing and Moyes a good enough manager for us now? I mean I get that ETH is kicking us while we're down but let's not kid ourselves and make Moyes into some kind of unsung hero who had his time cut short here.
He was rubbish and should never have been considered let alone given the job. Wasn't he also responsible for dismantling the entire backroom staff that had supported SAF during the latter stages of his reign? Based on that I think he definitely DID cause damage
Not at all - Moyes should never have been appointed and he was out of his depth. Fellaini was also not United standard, albeit he wouldn’t make my top 10 of worse United signings since 2013 (since 2008 maybe). However, I wouldn’t read too much into the backroom staff - basically everyone in that era (including David Gill for that matter) was made to look good by being associated with a once in a lifetime genius. Simply put, Moyes is a better manager than our current Frank de Boer level joker.
It's a process, eh, we stick to the plan.Our transition from Moments FC to Excuses FC is totally complete
What are Ineos waiting for?
They've been worse because we all know Woodward would've sacked him last year. He sure as hell wouldn't have started a new season with him.INEOS have shown already that the have either the same level of standards as the Glaziers or the same football knowledge otherwise they would have sacked ETH last season. INEOS was supposed to be the clean slate that would kick start the rebuild, instead it's just carried on from where we were.
They need to show some spine and sack him ASAP.
But it can't possibly be that because we're losing more money every day he's here.This continues to be the stupidest thing ever.
At this point it has to be a financial decision more than a footballing one, the manager is washed.
Yup and straight after our worst last season.I actually miss Woodward. He would have sacked this fool weeks ago. INEOS have taken over, and we are heading into one of our worst seasons, both in Europe and domestically.
Here we go again..
And apparently we shouldn't count the Spurs game
Seriously? Because of boring football?
Because in truth, only under Lvg we had clear style of play. Also him as a person and his press conf were good to watch.
Well, just my opinion. I liked the guy very much.
We were actually better after the sending off.He is such a joke. We looked like shit when we had a healthy squad, and Spurs were running us ragged even before Bruno got sent off.
Speaking of Arteta, look at how he struggled initially at Arsenal and how good he has turned out to be. Maybe the correct idea is to persist with a struggling coach.
More ridiculous excuses.
The football was terrible, but we were an incredibly well coached side under LVG. I’d say that ETH is comfortably the worst manager we’ve had post Fergie.I liked him too but his football was absolute dogshit, the highlight of most matches was a shot on goal. Not as bad as Ten Hag's because at least as you say there was some sort of plan. But both of them have made me hate watching football.
Lance Stroll ain't winning the F1 Drivers championship, Italy ain't winning the rugby world cup, the Islanders ain't winning the Stanley Cup etc...Speaking of Arteta, look at how he struggled initially at Arsenal and how good he has turned out to be. Maybe the correct idea is to persist with a struggling coach.
Sailing through October unbeatenthis is now considered an uptick in form:
He actually looks good, there.
The football was terrible, but we were an incredibly well coached side under LVG. I’d say that ETH is comfortably the worst manager we’ve had post Fergie.
We can’t defend. We can’t control the midfield and we can’t attack under this fraud. We do absolutely nothing well at all.
TrueWe were actually better after the sending off.
Factoring in performances/fee/impact on club:Who would make your top 10 worst United signings since 2013? Fellaini is an easy call for me, the signing who set in motion a decade of mediocrity.
Sailing through October unbeaten
The football was terrible, but we were an incredibly well coached side under LVG. I’d say that ETH is comfortably the worst manager we’ve had post Fergie.
We can’t defend. We can’t control the midfield and we can’t attack under this fraud. We do absolutely nothing well at all.
To be fair, there are some solid teams there such as Villa and.......this is now considered an uptick in form:
Maybe memories are short, and maybe mine is failing me, but we were shit in that season as well after the Carabao (and whilst we were better beforehand we were anything but comfortable). Fortunately for us other teams were also shit. I'm sure there was a point in those last couple of months where 5th place was as much a possibility as 3rd or 4th.I am wondering how did this guy manage to get us to 3rd place in the first season and made us look good in defense.
I know Rashford was in terrific form but still it was a small miracle considering what we play now.
We also played quite badly in a lot of games even before the Carabao cup win. Rashford being in the form of his life covered up a lot of the cracks. I think the underlying stats had us in 6th overall. I didn't really mind back then because it was his first season and all.Maybe memories are short, and maybe mine is failing me, but we were shit in that season as well after the Carabao (and whilst we were better beforehand we were anything but comfortable). Fortunately for us other teams were also shit. I'm sure there was a point in those last couple of months where 5th place was as much a possibility as 3rd or 4th.
It was his first season. Some of us were hopeful/naive. Things looked on the up and we somehow didn't progress. If anything we've gotten worse.Yeah Rashford was unbelievable between the WC and the Carabao Cup final.
The funny thing was, I've never seen a season celebrated so much for winning the Carabao Cup and finishing top 4 - a season in which we conceded 6 and 7 goals against our biggest rivals.
Remember how we weren't meant to care about getting 7-0 at Anfield, as long as we finished ahead of them? Now who gives 2 shits about that top 4 finish (we humiliated ourselves in the group stages of the CL anyways) and that result is a permanent stain on the clubs history.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I was going to mention Rashford so I'm glad you said it. I don't want to say "Moments FC", but we were proper Moments FC in that first season - arguably moreso than we were under Ole on average.We also played quite badly in a lot of games even before the Carabao cup win. Rashford being in the form of his life covered up a lot of the cracks. I think the underlying stats had us in 6th overall
Don't be so precious.
This is all very sad. ETH is losing his dignity and a lot of standing in the football world because of this prolonging of his execution. He's clearly never faced anything like this in his career and has no idea how to handle it and is now scrambling and clawing for anything, anything at all, he believes he can use to paint himself in a positive light. He's embarrassing himself and becoming a meme before our eyes. This has gone on for far too long and seems to be our version of keeping a hostage alive like a performing monkey, knowing full well the bullet for them is already primed and the shallow grave prepared.
I said earlier in this thread that anger will breed contempt and we're deep in the throes of that now, with every desperate attempt ETH makes to save face leading to torrents of vitriol from a fanbase who have had enough of watching this man's football as well as listening to his frankly awful excuses and reasoning.
A very good list, but I would swap out Maguire for Fellaini, who was nothing more than a fouling machine. But in his defense he had the greatest chest control of any footballer I’ve ever seen.Factoring in performances/fee/impact on club:
1. Antony - duh
2. Sanchez - stupid, pointless, Mourinho's biggest mistake. Also fecked over Martial who was saving Mourinho's bacon that first half of the year.
3. Sancho - Made sense on the surface, but my god what a disappointment.
... monumental gap
4. Maguire - Has had some good spells here so some might think it's harsh, but I have him ranked this highly because of the fee and then investment into "finding the right partner" for a limited CB that should never have been playing at a club of our caliber. It fecked a lot of tactical choices and transfer decisions in the years beyond for an ultimately flawed player which hurts.
5. Mount- Terrible decision at the time that has gone even worse than I expected.
6. Schneiderlin- shockingly bad
7. DvB- Why?
8. Depay- Classic dutch league flop. Pretty impressive that he's managed the career he has after how poor it looked early on here.
9. Lindelof- Underratedly bad. He's skated criticism for years but has hardly ever been anything more than a 6/10 player that epitomizes all that's gone wrong at the club year over year. Weak, afraid of contract, and happy to just skate by hoping people don't notice him while collecting huge wages at a big time club. Could have been replaced with someone better 5 years ago.
10. Mkhi- Great Europa campaign but ultimately never good enough for the PL I think.
Think many will say Pogba but I've always been of the opinion that he was fecked over in many of the midfields he had to play in, and was far better than people remember especially earlier in his time with us. Ultimately disappointing of course, but not as bad for reasons as some above. I'm fine if others want to put him in though.
I've never disliked a United manager like him before. I actually kinda hate him.
He said how good we've been the last few months...Exactly my thoughts because until last week we were doing amazing?