We didn't play "his football" did we...if you recall, we lost our opening game to Brighton at home and then get smashed 0-4 by Brentford.
This is grim and bitter, but I agree. Something like EL quarterfinal, a semifinal or so in the league cup and 7-8th in the league should ensure they give him the new contract.
He's hardly been wrong tbf. It's an obvious caricature, but the club has genuinely done exactly that
It's just desperate people clinging on to any shred of hope, because they lack the balls to accept the reality of the situation, and how it's not going to improve whilst Ten Hag remains in charge.
It's hard to be worse than Moyes (taking the Champions down to 7th), but ETH is giving it a damn good shot.
I think that crossing extravaganza we delivered against Fulham under Moyes is still the most embarrassed I've been with a United performance but overall Ten Hag has been far worse.
Weghorst was alright there to be fair, by what you’d expect from someone his level, better than Mazaroui.
Not really. They let O'Neil go because they knew that a ceiling of that team under him was limited, and went for a more ambitious manager in Iraola. They are more ambitious than we are.
He's trying to be like Pep, except he doesn't have the skills to pull it off. Pep invents different odd formations, has players out of position all over the pitch but he actually knows what he's doing most of the time. ETH is just a wannabe.
After the poor start to that season, ETH basically just reverted to playing the same style as Ole while having a better defence and midfield (although admittedly a worse attack).
We have people here believing we played at a comfortable top 4 level last year but were undone by bad refereeing. People just refuse to believe how poor we've been.
Well, at least that was a clear and obvious plan, which you could dislike, but you could see what Moyes wanted to do and how he wanted to score goals in that match.
Exactly. 22-23 was basically an extension to 19-22 when we finished in top 4 twice in three attempts. When he tried implementing his own style early that season it failed miserably, so he reverted to what we had actually proven to be good at.
Agreed. Like if you are honest, what other 'big' club would get a doing like that off of their biggest rivals, and the manager stays.
Moyes got fired for performing way beyond what ETH has shown to be capable of it. In retrospect that season was actually great - 64 points in the league, +21 GD, comfortably out of CL groups and into QFs where we were at least somewhat competitive against Bayern and even led with 30 mins to go in the tie, came very close to making a League Cup final. ETH would be calling himself an all-time OT hero if he managed to pull off a season like that on all fronts.
this is now considered an uptick in form:
Can honestly say I’ve not seen that narrative on here at all?
It must have been less than two weeks ago someone pointed out we would have been 12-15 points better off last year if referees hadn't screwed us. That would have got us above Villa by a good margin.
Madness.I'd kill for that level of football now. 64 goals, positive goal difference, winning against good teams in Europe.
We still lose money when we're out of the CL. It's just that instead of a huge drop (from memory it was over 20m) if we miss out two years in a row, it's now a smaller drop (10m) every year that we miss it. Which would have been much worse for us over the last decade where we've somehow always made it at least once every second season, but it's actually going to work out for the better next season now that ETH is almost certainly going to be the manager who 'achieves' non-qualification two seasons in a row.
