Nothing has changed in 18 months. If you think this is about 3 games you haven’t been paying attention.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Yeah I agree. It is also those who wanted him sacked getting upset.
The team has been playing better since pre-season. Its clear they will need a run of games to get everyone up to speed and some wins to get confidence up. That will be on Ten Hag if he can't get results. However, if Ugarte adapts well he fits this team lile a glove and we should see a step up. I do think we are at a very interesting stage where we are seeing small improvements but the results are not reflecting it. Will be interesting to see how INEOS view it. I believe they will give him time to get the players gelling. It'll be on Ten Hag to get results though.
The whole setup is just madness. Same as last season - the two midfielders can’t cope.
You’re essentially playing a front 6 of risk takers. All taking high risk passes. The team ends up playing basketball.
We covered it up in the first two matches with Mount as support but the second he was subbed it went to shit again.
You’re essentially playing a front 6 of risk takers. All taking high risk passes. The team ends up playing basketball.
We covered it up in the first two matches with Mount as support but the second he was subbed it went to shit again.
Yes, it's always a great idea to get rid of your best player.
We shouldn’t have one guy in midfield, it’s suicidal football to have a 30 odd year old in midfield whilst Bruno and Mainoo are up the field. We cannot keep excusing Ten Hag, he needs to deliver.
I am finding it difficult to understand and stand behind starting Rashford and not Amad. Casemiro can’t be playing anymore. Every sign has been there. Holy feck.
He’s a terrible manager. This should be his last game. What’s the point of waiting until December? We have a whole season to play.
Agree with this. The mistakes are happening because of our setup. Players seem to isolated, there's too much space between the lines causing us to attempt these long passes that end up getting intercepted. And it's a clear tactical issue.
ETH has to be out regardless but can someone tell me what Jason Wilcox’s Game Model is?
Wilcox has been in his role since April 2024 and it’s now September and I haven’t seen anything implemented apart from a half decent press. On the ball we are still fecking clueless. Teams like Spurs, Chelsea and Palace looks leagues ahead of us in their attacking play.
Wilcox has been in his role since April 2024 and it’s now September and I haven’t seen anything implemented apart from a half decent press. On the ball we are still fecking clueless. Teams like Spurs, Chelsea and Palace looks leagues ahead of us in their attacking play.
What changes are those? The system and the fundamental tactics are the same.
Excuse will be injuries.
Mount specifically - who is usually injured anyway.
System is just shite.
Make it stop
Mount specifically - who is usually injured anyway.
System is just shite.
Make it stop
How many times have we passed the ball back to Liverpool in our own half?
Why does he have us playing so deep and inviting pressure? Stevie Wonder can see we cant play out from the back. Liverpool are just waiting for us to make the mistake - they are not even pressing us hard. They are waiting to spring on the bad pass.
And what is this 442? Bruno often higher up have we bought a forward that cant play in a front three ?
ETH didnt like Ronaldo because he couldn't press from the front. Can Zirkzee?
It's diabolical, I know the games not over but I'm inclined to beleive that Erik Ten Hag is the worst coach of every manager hired post SAF.
He's gone into every season with a new system that has failed to bear any fruit.
I've never seen a coach at the top level fail no matter what the approach is. It's why United are at their best when there's chaos back and forth trajectory, outside of that the team have a manager who cannot do anything else feasible.
This is the same garbage we watched last season. He has no system. The defense looks lost. WIngers are impotent. Zirkzee is wandering. The only players earning their pay are Fernandes and Dalot. Seriously, Rashford and Garnacho are useless. I was praying ETH would get the sack in the summer and knew that this was going to happen when he didn't. I don't even think the players respect him.
Get him gone
About expected
Who let Casemiro always happy to do one touch pass and thought himself as Pirlo? He's never like that at Madrid.
I would like to see us not be battered at home.
I'd seriously take LVG back
Young Collyer coming on at half time.this is the ruthlessness we need
He should have gone last season, he simply doesn’t have the credit in the bank to oversee a rebuild that is going to take time and patience. The FA Cup win should not have been taken into account, fan sentiment should have been ignored as most of those who wanted him to stay will be changing their minds already.
4:12 in goals scored in the league under EtH so far. He really gets how important this rivalry is to us.
I don't get why Diallo doesn't start. He's the better footballer out of Garnacho and Rashford. Then you consider the fact that he's the only natural rw whose name is not Antony in the side, Ten Hag should've dropped one of Garnacho or Rashford.
Agreed but he needs a system to help and we aren’t doing it
Yup, Liverpool were equally bad. This is two teams who are not very good but one of them have good attacking talent. However this is the question, why is a manager in his third season performing as bad as a manager in only his third game.
As for the final passes not being good enough being used as an excuse, what exactly is it that actually separates us from the average mid-table PL sides, many of whom have similar performances and shortcomings as us. If our manager cannot have us perform better than a mid-table club, he has no business being here.
How often are we going to use this excuse though? The constant isn't just that Ten Hag plays him, it's also that Ten Hag sets up our team to get dominated nearly every game, leaves massive gaps in our midfield, we have no recognisable patterns of play, we can't score, shit players have been brought in under his request because he saw their face once in the past, tried to copy the 2 AM formation that Pep and Klopp were trialing and fecked that up too, his subs are always late and wrong, he seems incapable of recognising what our problems are and he's in his third season. Third season! At what point does any of this become his responsibility?!
Every game a player will make an error, it can happen to any team. The difference with us is that it's so noticeable because we are always flying by the seat of our pants and struggling to compete with anyone.
The only thing Ten Hag does well is say "heh" and market himself, do interviews and write posts where he manages to get people to sympathise with him and believe that next week will be different. I'm tired of believing any of it. If it's emotional to look at the last 25 months of the same problems and say "that'll do, Pidge. That'll do" then fair enough, but I think he's had more than enough time to prove himself and failed.
Yes Casemiro has been bad, but you know what??? Everyone knows he struggles in these type of games, why are we not playing in a way that protects our players? This chaotic style is not suited to players that are error prone and low on confidence.
The post are a culmination of absolutely shite football we have played since beating Newcastle cup final, finishing the league with a negative goal difference, and now losing two of the first three games of the season. He is an absolute shite manager who has been backed by the club, and has mostly bought crap players, doesn't know how to setup an attack or defense.
Ah c'mon. They've basically all been shite and we've been outplayed in every position of the pitch.
We are 2-0 down to Liverpool at home with 1 shot on target. This is a Liverpool team with a new manager & no signings and I am being told United have played well & people are emotional
Blanket ban on anything Dutch for the next couple of decades.
Rashford needs another 18 months to find his form.
If Liverpool were overruning us in midfield are destroying us with constant cuts through our structure you'd have half a point.
But Casemiro being lighter than a feather for goal 2, after he played an absolute hospital pass without bothering to take a touch for goal 1 is just amateur.
You can call me a wum if you like, but I think it's worth looking structurally at what we were doing today - aggressiveness and quick passing is what we want to show but it's clearly not suited to Casemiro who is long past his best. We've actually dispossessed and intercepted them a lot through the play before the first goal, and we were able to hunt in their third a lot more too.
We aren't perfect, we did get exposed at times. That's why we bought Ugarte but blaming the manager when we are so obviously playing differently to last season is lazy. It just sounds like an angry mob mentality.
Before it was 1-0 we were.
The creation is poor - I agree here. I don't think we've played badly before the first goal though, quite the opposite.
It's not the same old rubbish from last season. We're two goals down from feckery with Casemiro more than anything else.
I don't think you read a lot of my posts last season..Right on cue to absolve ETH of the blame as usual
Your delusion & loyalty to the man would be admirable if it wasn’t so ridiculous.
You spent all of last season blaming everything on defensive injuries. ETH now has a back 4 that include 3 of his signings and we’re on course for 1 win from our opening 3 games, so what’s the excuse now?
Let's see how he sets up 2nd half...
I'm not excusing EtH for how he sets up the midfield. I'm saying picking Casemiro was understandable given how he'd performed previously and our other available options. Obviously it looks like a bad decision in hindsight.
I'm done making excuses for him.
We consistently struggle to connect our play to our attackers. Honestly, with Ten Haag, Its never been their fault in my opinion.
I finding it hard myself, mate
Absolutely tactically outclassed again. Far too many players ahead of the ball. Bad shape. Completely overwhelmed by the press and no coherent shape to deal with it.
Bad performance by Casemiro but he's completely exposed. Wouldn't matter that much if Ugarte was there, we'd still be losing.
Bad performance by Casemiro but he's completely exposed. Wouldn't matter that much if Ugarte was there, we'd still be losing.
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