One of the hallmarks of Ten Hags era is slow starts to games. it has plagued us for 3 seasons now. We are generally a very lethargic undynamic team.
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One of the hallmarks of Ten Hags era is slow starts to games. it has plagued us for 3 seasons now. We are generally a very lethargic undynamic team.
VP89 looks at that and says 'that's fine' stand by our manager.
Meaning he went to a club that never wins things because no top club would hire him.
It predates him tbh. Under Rangnick we were incredibly low energy. How that’s still the case with all the squad turnover is wild.
We consistently look like we are playing at a speed several levels below other football teams. The amount of times our players are walking or receiving a pass flat footed.
The irony is that that low tempo then suddenly gets transformed into a direct long pass that invariably goes to the opposition.
I fear the appointment of Southgate or similar might lead to a reasonable improvement purely by having the team setup in a more conventional way. It could allow an average coach to get a longer opportunity. We need to brave with the appointment and accept there will be some teething issues.
When we drop points to Villa next weekend, we'll be either 8 or 9 points behind Chelsea in 4th.
Top 4 will be gone for the new manager coming in.
We'll have to put all our eggs in winning Europa League, probably having to play an extra knockout round as I don't see us finishing top 8 in the group stage.
Players completely gave up on him and couldn't even be bothered to provide any type of reaction until we fell 2-0 down with a man down. Couldn't win duels, couldn't win second balls, have zero cohesion or understanding of each other in possession, etc.
I think keeping him this summer under the contract terms he was on and in a situation where Ashworth and Berrada were not bedded in was reasonable, but at this point there's no signs of anything other than continued embarrassment. There is no uptick coming, and somehow within 6 matches his tactical setup has again reverted to a complete farce like last season after some initial underlying signs of promise.
It wouldn't be rash in the slightest to sack him tomorrow morning and give Ruud the interim tag while starting to do a full and thorough vetting of external candidates. In fact, it would be a sign of a proactive approach from the board.
I think keeping him this summer under the contract terms he was on and in a situation where Ashworth and Berrada were not bedded in was reasonable, but at this point there's no signs of anything other than continued embarrassment. There is no uptick coming, and somehow within 6 matches his tactical setup has again reverted to a complete farce like last season after some initial underlying signs of promise.
It wouldn't be rash in the slightest to sack him tomorrow morning and give Ruud the interim tag while starting to do a full and thorough vetting of external candidates. In fact, it would be a sign of a proactive approach from the board.
I had to wipe a tear away
I didn't ask you a question though. Still want to talk about metrics? Like I had said, lets wait and see how we play against a decent team first.
And here's the result. Absolutely rubbish.
For the manager yes, but for the team? Can't speak for the fans in the Stretford End specifically, but from what I've noticed here, the most militantly pro-manager fans are usually the ones who are most willing to blame / call for the heads of the players, the positional coaches, the directors, and the tea lady.
He is a dead man walking. He always was when the club was looking for a new manager prior to the FA Cup final.
Why did anyone think that a new season would bring anything different?
We all like the idea of ETH, but the reality of him doesn't fit the reputation. No one can say what Ten Hag football is after 3 years.
There can be no excuses. We are the worst coached team in the Premier League. And that is despite him signing half his Ajax team.
Why did anyone think that a new season would bring anything different?
We all like the idea of ETH, but the reality of him doesn't fit the reputation. No one can say what Ten Hag football is after 3 years.
There can be no excuses. We are the worst coached team in the Premier League. And that is despite him signing half his Ajax team.
And he has spent around a third of the money Ten Hag has and inherited a team far less capable.
Scott McTominay scored for Napoli today and very nearly got 2 when he hit the bar. Napoli are top of Serie A.
"But... But... Fergie lost four home matches by 3+ goals too!"
Since Ten Hag arrived our overall goal difference in the league is +11. I'll admit it, I like a lot of supporters was won over by his reputation for progressive tactics, but it just hasn't stood up to the light of day outside the Eredivisie. We've spent so much money bringing in Ajax players to accommodate him and without seemingly any return. I think its safe to say at this point that he's had his chance.
Yeah he's basically done. No idea how he would turn it around, too much of a low after today.
ESPN slaughtered him. Just a clip:
at one point they were laughing at the suggestion that "there's no one that could do a better job". one of the pundits said you wouldn't be able to convince him that there's anyone that COULDN'T do better
at one point they were laughing at the suggestion that "there's no one that could do a better job". one of the pundits said you wouldn't be able to convince him that there's anyone that COULDN'T do better
Neither are good enough to be here at united.
Need to change my vote. This is the end of my EtH support. Got to go.
A very expensive failed project that will take a long time to reverse.
I mean, I'd probably agree with what Burley says but he's such an absolute negative TwatMuffin that I'm going to ignore him for the time being.
He didn't score today. You're thinking of a different match, I believe.
We’re still trying to reverse the Jose and Ole eras.
Jesus. I think I can name all the SAF losses. The thing with ETH is he's had so many tonkings I couldn't tell you if it was home or away. How many 3+ goals losses has he had overall?
Mate, he scored a hattrick and set up 3 other goals.
This is stark, tbh. Emery is doing wonders there.
SEG PR team working overtime to save his job
Far as I can tell votes cannot be changed.
I think the time has come for banners to be flown to make the feelings of the fans at/outside Old Trafford known to the board.
For me the biggest issue is time; if we want to be title contenders by 2028 then half of this season can be very useful for a new manager to settle in. We could even regain top 4 this season with the new manager bounce just like low tier teams avoid relegation.
It seems like the manager INEOS wants currently is unavailable/in another job or they simply do not know yet who they want which again effects our time.
It seems like the manager INEOS wants currently is unavailable/in another job or they simply do not know yet who they want which again effects our time.
'Gareth IN!'
I agree, the issues have predated ETH but they seem even more apparent now. I'd say defensively, we look so vulnerable and easy to play through, it's worse than previous managers, despite ETH getting new players in. The gulf in class between Spurs and United in the first half today was shocking.
I like to have the option of voting 'sack' again, please.
It'll be cathartic.
It'll be cathartic.
I have to admit that I see an improved performance over the last 4 matches before this spurs game and was willing to give ETH till end of season to prove himself. This spurs game has nailed it for me. Even before the red card, I see a team that was disjointed and gave away the ball freely.
He can blame the team for not being up for it but he is the person who is supposed to prepare them and make sure they are up for the challenge.
Question now will be, who should we be bringing in to this 14 year long experiment?
He can blame the team for not being up for it but he is the person who is supposed to prepare them and make sure they are up for the challenge.
Question now will be, who should we be bringing in to this 14 year long experiment?
I still think the players were more to blame for the early results than tactics were.
This week it’s gone back to being horribly flawed tactically.
Not sure if the votes are shown chronologically, but the last few names in the "back" option are all newbies. Some of these accounts don't even have posts:
I think its come to a point where he needs to go. Sure some players are diabolic but good managers don't need 3 seasons and 500mil plus backing to play the way we do.
We have zero identity, I have no idea how we want to play and that is all on the manager and ultimately, he is responsible.
Problem is that we have accepted mediocrity and become too soft, I am sure with these performances ETH won' last 3 months at a serious club.
I really like him and I think players performances don't help but again something has to change and unfortunately its him. He needs to go, and needs to go right NOW.
No more delays, we will only be delaying the inevitable.
We have zero identity, I have no idea how we want to play and that is all on the manager and ultimately, he is responsible.
Problem is that we have accepted mediocrity and become too soft, I am sure with these performances ETH won' last 3 months at a serious club.
I really like him and I think players performances don't help but again something has to change and unfortunately its him. He needs to go, and needs to go right NOW.
No more delays, we will only be delaying the inevitable.
Can't believe Spurs battered us with such ease. And I'm talking about before the red card. Could have been 0-4. There are no excuses.
I think this is the first time I've been fully on board with team sack. This season just feels like a write off, with a how far can he get before we sack him feel to it. The real question is making sure we get the right manager in next. In that vain, I've got no issue with ETH sitting in the seat a little longer as we go about securing them in the background.
Jesus fecking Christ. Anyone has Jim’s email?
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