Robbie Boy
Full Member
The worst thing is, we haven't had a particularly hard start to the season. If he somehow survives, can you imagine the carnage at the Ethihad, the Emirates and Stamford Bridge.
Ineos bottling the decision in the summer may be a mistake they never recover from.
Course you're not.
Can't wait to see your reactions down the line when ETH's spell is romanticised: 3 finals, 2 cups, 3rd place, 2nd highest points total post-Fergie. The power of revisionism is strong on RedCafe, especially when you let enough time lapse.
Hopefully this is the last manager that has such a weird obsessive fan base. We've had it with Jose, Ole and now ETH. It's fecking draining.
Then they aren't fit for purpose and are worse than Woodward and co. Even a club like Bournemouth had the vision and resolve to sack O'Neill after a great season on paper as they saw Iraola as a much better option.That's exactly the reason INEOS kept him despite some acting like the fan backlash wasn't a factor
We just want to hold on to the hope they'll turn out good eventually because the greatest manager of all time turned it around.
Ineos bottling the decision in the summer may be a mistake they never recover from. Hard to point to one footballing decision they’ve got right so far…
The players the manager brought in you mean?Today was further evidence that ETH is unable to get a response from this group of players. Once again we saw so-called senior players offering nothing and it is clear that they could not care less about our great club and the shirt they should be honoured to wear. The debate about the manager is warranted, but not enough has been said about the players themselves. It may be prudent to get rid of ETH now, and RVN seems to be a sensible interim appointment. However, RVN would need to lay down the law with the bad element within the dressing room. Price tags should not guarantee first team starts - dropping some of the 'undroppables' would help to set the right tone.
Ineos bottling the decision in the summer may be a mistake they never recover from. Hard to point to one footballing decision they’ve got right so far…
They absolutely should. However, the episode in the summer, followed by sinking another tonne of money on players he clearly liked plus two coaches, only to sack him 6 games in would be catastrophic in terms of setting us back years. They should still do it but it was a fundamental and enormous error to let the situation play out publicly and then keep him. Erodes confidence in the project in a major way.I mean they could literally sack him tomorrow/this week. Let's hope they do.
You can give up then because that's exactly what happened. It couldn't have been any more obvious that INEOS wanted to replace him. There were stories everywhere before the cup final about them interviewing new potential managers. Even for the week after the cup final they continued briefing that they wanted to change and most Utd fans (not a few on reddit, loads of match going fans, they were everywhere) were demanding INEOS keep him. It was very clear any new manager was going to face backlash and unfair amounts of pressure. Utd fans were criticising every single managerial candidate there was to keep ETH. It obviously had an impact and INEOS aren't the only owners who would have been impacted by such a massive wave of fan resistance.If a couple of thousand fans signing some poxy petition swayed INEOS, then we might as well give up now mate.
What would make it weirder would be that they kept him on to prove how shite he is - which really wasn't necessary - but also gave him another couple of hundred million to spend. All this, over a few fans on Reddit and some petition (which I can't imagine actually went anywhere).
The squad is fine. Should easily be competing for top 4. Of course we have some players like Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno, Maguire who need replacing but it's way better than what it's showing.He's fecked our squad up so bad, whatever new manager comes in has a tough job.
They absolutely should. However, the episode in the summer, followed by sinking another tonne of money on players he clearly liked plus two coaches, only to sack him 6 games in would be catastrophic in terms of setting us back years. They should still do it but it was a fundamental and enormous error to let the situation play out publicly and then keep him. Erodes confidence in the project in a major way.
You’re right that they weren’t officially on board at that stage but I’d be amazed if they weren’t already making decisions or at least being consulted.Agreed that they got the decision wrong - the only consolation was that Berrada and Ashworth weren’t involved in that decision. So they can now rectify it.
Officially they weren't really involved and I suppose the fact that we were searching for a new manager indicated they were in favour of making a change. I think you can just about give them a bye, but I don't think they can honestly claim they had no input.Agreed that they got the decision wrong - the only consolation was that Berrada and Ashworth weren’t involved in that decision. So they can now rectify it.
You can give up then because that's exactly what happened. It couldn't have been any more obvious that INEOS wanted to replace him. There were stories everywhere before the cup final about them interviewing new potential managers. Even for the week after the cup final they continued briefing that they wanted to change and most Utd fans (not a few on reddit, loads of match going fans, they were everywhere) were demanding INEOS keep him. It was very clear any new manager was going to face backlash and unfair amounts of pressure. Utd fans were criticising every single managerial candidate there was to keep ETH. It obviously had an impact and INEOS aren't the only owners who would have been impacted by such a massive wave of fan resistance.
Because you can't change your vote matey.How on earth is this still only at 80%, what level of defeat would it have taken for people to see light
He's delusional.Whoa! Stop the thread guys! Ste Howson says sacking him shouldn't be an option!!
They absolutely should. However, the episode in the summer, followed by sinking another tonne of money on players he clearly liked plus two coaches, only to sack him 6 games in would be catastrophic in terms of setting us back years. They should still do it but it was a fundamental and enormous error to let the situation play out publicly and then keep him. Erodes confidence in the project in a major way.
I agree, fans sentiment at that time was strongly pro ten Hag with petitions making circles that it would have been challenging to make that decision. They still should have made it.
The only silver lining in this is maybe as a fan base we are going to be more careful about romanticizing managers and the long term project nonsense. That is if we actually make a decision to part with him now which I doubt we will. Fully expecting it to take a lot more for him to get sacked.
I agree, fans sentiment at that time was strongly pro ten Hag with petitions making circles that it would have been challenging to make that decision. They still should have made it.
The only silver lining in this is maybe as a fan base we are going to be more careful about romanticizing managers and the long term project nonsense. That is if we actually make a decision to part with him now which I doubt we will. Fully expecting it to take a lot more for him to get sacked.
INEOS won't be doing anything. The decision to sack the manager will be made by the CEO, sporting director and technical director (who have nothing to do with INEOS) and signed off by the owner.If INEOS do not sack ETH tomorrow then they are as good as Ed Woodward and Murtogh! Clueless.
The only silver lining in this is maybe as a fan base we are going to be more careful about romanticizing managers and the long term project nonsense.
No they still will. The next manager will also be the saviour
Gary Neville at Valencia
• 28 games • 11 losses • 39 goals • 38 goals conceded
Ten Hag
• last 28 games • 13 losses • 35 goals • 45 goals conceded
To say that this guy is a clown would be an understatement
But injuries! Players need time to gel with each other! ETH needs another season to understand and properly implement his style onto new signings! It’s only 6 league games!!Gary Neville at Valencia
• 28 games • 11 losses • 39 goals • 38 goals conceded
Ten Hag
• last 28 games • 13 losses • 35 goals • 45 goals conceded
To say that this guy is a clown would be an understatement