thisisnottaken1
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Sorry. I misread your post.How am I being sarcastic here? I am literally saying performance was crap and it has nothing to do with luck / strikers not being clinical enough.
Sorry. I misread your post.How am I being sarcastic here? I am literally saying performance was crap and it has nothing to do with luck / strikers not being clinical enough.
Spurs at home, Porto and Villa away in the next 3.
Could easily see us losing all 3.
It’s just times like tonight that genuinely make me angry at our supporters. Just thinking about the months on end many defended everything he did in the face of overwhelming evidence that hes shit.
Had to read thread upon thread about how it’s all just because of bad injury luck and everything would change once that was settled….I felt like this about a year ago
Silver lining is if he loses all three he is outta here!Going to be hard meeting colleagues that support Liverpool if that happens.
Pull the plug, Ineos. Don’t ruin a whole fecking season.
We'll waste another decade if we sack him. This is an important lesson for the club and we need to see it out.
We'll waste another decade if we sack him. This is an important lesson for the club and we need to see it out.
Explain that.
Yep. Think there’s only one or two left in this thread.I don't think anyone is defending him anymore, are they? Some will always back the manager, which is fair enough - but feel like we are now at the stage most of us want the manager out.
NervousYep. Think there’s only one or two left in this thread.
Sad to say but it’s true. INEOS will want to save face after their abysmal decision to keep him.A loss and a draw will keep him in the job
We all want what’s best for the club!Nervous
Which is why sacking him now would be so counter productive - we'd be letting so many of our fans off the hook. Let him see out the season, maybe even his contract. Nows the time to stay firm - and if it doesn't work out just up the ticket prices to make up for the money we'll have lost.
Long term the club will be in a better place if we suffer through this.
Because another manager will come in, and we'll repeat the same argument about how he just needs time to turn into the next Ferguson. So let's just see this one out. We've had the same split in the fanbase going back a decade now - those who believe that time is all it takes to make a great manager, and those who don't.
This is now proof by exhaustion on that argument. Let him see out his contract. Only way that should change is if Old Trafford vocally force him out.
But same thing happened with Moyes and even before the point of his sacking he was getting applauded by the home fans at OT
ETH needs to go. But I fear it's going to be the same realisation post the managers sacking. The players just aren't up to it. FFS I don't care who is managing us. You gotta be beating Twente at home.Just cant ignore it anymore.
We’ve gone from excuses about getting battered by Copenhagen and Galatasaray to dropping down a tier and struggling there too.
Its so obvious what the problem is - or should we say who.
How much longer do we have to entertain the idea that we are suddenly going to turn the corner if we put up with more of this junk? We could extend his contract to 10 years and watch a decade of this smeg and some people would still be pumping that narrative in the tenth year
We should be the 1st club then to not have a manager.ETH needs to go. But I fear it's going to be the same realisation post the managers sacking. The players just aren't up to it. FFS I don't care who is managing us. You gotta be beating Twente at home.
I think he is making progress if we compare with last year for the team play. However, to get results, he needs to really solve our offensive play. That’s something he hasn’t really been able to crack. Not sure whether he can. That’s the main concern.What are you talking about ? Progress is all that matters. As soon as its clear ETH can't achieve meaningful progress bin him, get a new manager in and have that manager start implementing his style. It would be idiotic and waste of a season to keep ETH, knowing he's not the long term manager. Keeping him to prove a point to fans makes no sense whatsoever.
If I was DOF for UTD, I'd fire him after the game and start a process to look for a new manager to save this season. Because the rate we are going at, we will be out of top 4 by christmas. We can't afford another wasted season. Even if we miss top 4, I'd prefer to start the next season with a manager who had time to prepare the team this season so we can hit the ground running next season
It’s hard not to achieve some progress after last season’s shitshow—I’ve said as much already. But the thing is, we all know that’s not enough. It’s not just the offensive play; it looks like he can’t achieve any consistency in performances at all. And when the results are already poor, adding in poor performances means that progress isn't enough to save him.I think he is making progress if we compare with last year for the team play. However, to get results, he needs to really solve our offensive play. That’s something he hasn’t really been able to crack. Not sure whether he can. That’s the main concern.
If we got ourselves and EPL scorer, we wouldn't be struggling so badly. Expecting Hoijund or Zirkzee to come good is questionable. Hoijund is here for a season, he has yet to convince me that he is a starting striker for any EPL teams, let alone United. Zirkzee hasn't been clinical as well. It is likely season where we are the lowest scorers in the league. What the plan now? Buy another striker in the summer transfer window. Let's pray the Arsenal kid comes good.
It’s the same shit over and over again. Since SAF left it’s been the case with every manager, we create very few chances and many people end up obsessing over those misses, claiming if we had better players or our forwards were more clinical, we’d do better. City and Liverpool miss so many chances every game it’s unreal.I don’t get why we would lay any blame on forwards not being clinical enough when we did not actually even create any really good chances today. Our expected goals were slightly over 1 and we scored 1, that was par for the course for this performance. It’s not like we wasted multiple great chances and got punished on the odd opportunity they got, these were two equal teams playing it out toe to toe.
come on Gary. No one cares about you getting sacked at Valencia anymore.The biggest factor of success in football management is time. Given enough time to implement their ideas, all managers will be successful
Agreed. Football is a low scoring sport so you can always argue that "if that shot had gone in" the result would be better. I've checked and apparently it normally takes 3 shots on target for a goal. Most teams miss chances.It’s the same shit over and over again. Since SAF left it’s been the case with every manager, we create very few chances and many people end up obsessing over those misses, claiming if we had better players or our forwards were more clinical, we’d do better. City and Liverpool miss so many chances every game it’s unreal.
I can’t believe people are raving about Henderson in the last game, he did easy regulation saves 2-3 times and it’s made out like he played like Casillas or something. We created very very few chances in that match.Agreed. Football is a low scoring sport so you can always argue that "if that shot had gone in" the result would be better. I've checked and apparently it normally takes 3 shots on target for a goal. Most teams miss chances.
Brighton are scoring freely with Welbeck leading the line. Its no excuse to create so few chances.If we got ourselves and EPL scorer, we wouldn't be struggling so badly. Expecting Hoijund or Zirkzee to come good is questionable. Hoijund is here for a season, he has yet to convince me that he is a starting striker for any EPL teams, let alone United. Zirkzee hasn't been clinical as well. It is likely season where we are the lowest scorers in the league. What the plan now? Buy another striker in the summer transfer window. Let's pray the Arsenal kid comes good.
SAF couldn’t crack it at the beginning here too but the club trusted the great man, there’s nothing to suggest ETH can’t follow the same path, too many are overrating and missing the bigger picture.