RedRocket9908
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I suppose its a good thing that we didnt give him a new contract this summer as that means we wont have to give him a massive payoff when we sack him.
Yes. Similar mistakes in defence, losing possession and poor passing in midfield…and no fecking goal threat.So pretty much every aspect of the game?
Of course.
Yet if Garnacho had not hit Zirkzee and we'd won 2-1 you would've written a very different post.
Strange that.
Both inherited better teams. We played quite well for 3 or 4 of Moyes first games as they were just playing Fergie's style.Liverpool and Brighton both have new manager without signing any players and they play better than us. Meanwhile, ETH need 3 years and 600mil playing zombie football.
Looks like another season gone and Ineos first major mistake?
Defensive problems aside - The first half was woeful in terms of attacking them when we had the ball. He picked the wrong starting 11 and we wasted 45 minutes. We looked a lot more threatening with Garnacho and Zirkzee on. He’s got to drop Rashford and Mount.
Some of you lot make out like Bruno is Cantona. Was stinking it up out there.I'm team ETH, but feck me, those substitutions (McT for Bruno, feckING BRUNO WTF, and De Ligt for Harry who was playing solidly) gifted the match and result to Brighton.
I suppose its a good thing that we didnt give him a new contract this summer as that means we wont have to give him a massive payoff when we sack him.
Some of you lot make out like Bruno is Cantona. Was stinking it up out there.
I think Ineos should have replaced him in the summer but I really try to trust him, because I want to support the manager and I want him and the team to succeed. But he makes it so fecking hard to believe in him some times.I just have no trust in him as a manager.
Some people really believe that him changing our style to be more in line with what he wants, means that we’ll be considerably better. All it means to me is we won’t look as terrible as we did last year but it doesn’t mean we’ll be good enough.
His team building is very very questionable and don’t believe he has the tactical nous or vision to create a PL winning team or even one that can challenge.
They are, but the commitment could easily (and probably will) just last this season. I think we finish at around 6th or 7th, with the same amount of goals scored all season.
Hopefully the signings stop at Ugarte this summer. Next summer we will 100% have moved on McTominay, Eriksen, and Casemiro. There’s a whole lot of rebuilding in the most important area of the field that needs to be overseen by a manager who actually wants to set up with a midfield to play football.
They bottled sacking a manager after a huge, underdog, Cup win and they feared a huge backlash from the ground swell of online support around the manager. It was a major clusterfeck and will cost us at least a season of progression, unless Ruud is their fallback plan and he isn't too much of a tactical genius who is also a club legend that will be difficult to move on should he wet the bed. Major feck up keeping him.Last season was a guarantee that United will never win the league under Eth.
Injury crisis or tactical insufficiency whatever the perspective is or the reasons a good manager doesn't allow the ground to fall beneath themselves to such an extent.
If INEOS strategic intention is to win the league at some point in the near future they should have axed the manager last season.
That option was there if they hadn’t extended him, now there is zero chance he gets sacked unless we are a complete disasterI know it's still early in the season but it's obvious City and Arsenal will finish in top 4. Then there's Liverpool, Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, us. CL football should hurt Villa to extent like it did Newcastle. Newcastle and Chelsea with basically no European football and that should make them better in league like with Spurs last season. Spurs playing some good stuff again.
There's great competition for CL spots and we'll have to be much better and repeat 22/23 season to have chance for top 4. If it doesn't go well with ten Hag sack him with quality replacement (if available) as early as October to save the season. As bad as we've been since 2013, we never went 2 consecutive season without CL football and it could happen if we stick too long with him while results suffer.
Perhaps players give up on him and results turn into disaster like under Ole in that October-November 2021 period. Don't know but we can't give up on another season. Is winning Europa still a route to CL football? That would possibly be easier to achieve.That option was there if they hadn’t extended him, now there is zero chance he gets sacked unless we are a complete disaster
Who would you replace him with?To those who want to keep him. Why? What do you see about us improving under him with time? Is there something I am missing?
For sensible read: incoherent rambler. 'You can never blame the manager for what the players do', such keen insight.
You didn't answer my question. What do you see improving underneath him?Who would you replace him with?
I know it's still early in the season but it's obvious City and Arsenal will finish in top 4. Then there's Liverpool, Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, us. CL football should hurt Villa to extent like it did Newcastle. Newcastle and Chelsea with basically no European football and that should make them better in league like with Spurs last season. Spurs playing some good stuff again.
There's great competition for CL spots and we'll have to be much better and repeat 22/23 season to have chance for top 4. If it doesn't go well with ten Hag sack him with quality replacement (if available) as early as October to save the season. As bad as we've been since 2013, we never went 2 consecutive season without CL football and it could happen if we stick too long with him while results suffer.
Manager | Win % | Loss % | Clean Sheets | Games | W | D | L | GF | GA | GD | Pts | Pts PG |
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Pep | 73.08% | 10.26% | 31 | 78 | 57 | 13 | 8 | 194 | 67 | +127 | 184 | 2.36 |
Jose | 56.41% | 16.67% | 36 | 78 | 44 | 21 | 13 | 126 | 61 | +65 | 153 | 1.96 |
Ole | 53.85% | 20.51% | 24 | 78 | 42 | 20 | 16 | 138 | 86 | +52 | 146 | 1.87 |
Ten Hag | 53.85% | 30.77% | 27 | 78 | 42 | 12 | 24 | 117 | 103 | +14 | 138 | 1.77 |
LVG | 51.32% | 23.68% | 29 | 76 | 39 | 19 | 18 | 111 | 72 | +39 | 136 | 1.79 |
Klopp | 50.00% | 20.51% | 24 | 78 | 39 | 23 | 16 | 150 | 98 | +52 | 140 | 1.79 |
Arteta | 50.00% | 30.77% | 28 | 78 | 39 | 15 | 24 | 121 | 84 | +37 | 132 | 1.69 |
Rangnick | 41.67% | 29.17% | 6 | 24 | 10 | 7 | 7 | 33 | 33 | 0 | 37 | 1.54 |
I know, which is why I wrote "with basically no European football". No disrespect to the competition but don't expect you to play your strongest sides in those games, especially with how many players you've got. Maybe I'm wrong but anyway the intensity and quality of opposition won't be high for sure.We are in Europa Conference, but did not play starters in the first game.
League Stats for all below Managers. Added their first 78 games (as today was Ten Hags 78th League Game). Ignored Moyes, mainly because I don't want to think of that season ever again. Worth pointing out that Jose and Ole's downfalls started about now, so imagine there stats will begin to decline now. But technically on a Pts per game ration, Ten Hag is currently 4th highest among the United Managers.
Manager Win % Loss % Clean Sheets Games W D L GF GA GD Pts Pts PG Pep 73.08% 10.26% 31 78 57 13 8 194 67 +127 184 2.36 Jose 56.41% 16.67% 36 78 44 21 13 126 61 +65 153 1.96 Ole 53.85% 20.51% 24 78 42 20 16 138 86 +52 146 1.87 Ten Hag 53.85% 30.77% 27 78 42 12 24 117 103 +14 138 1.77 LVG 51.32% 23.68% 29 76 39 19 18 111 72 +39 136 1.79 Klopp 50.00% 20.51% 24 78 39 23 16 150 98 +52 140 1.79 Arteta 50.00% 30.77% 28 78 39 15 24 121 84 +37 132 1.69 Rangnick 41.67% 29.17% 6 24 10 7 7 33 33 0 37 1.54
Everything.You didn't answer my question. What do you see improving underneath him?
If the only reason to keep him is something he has no control over, then we've already lost.
I'm team ETH, but feck me, those substitutions (McT for Bruno, feckING BRUNO WTF, and De Ligt for Harry who was playing solidly) gifted the match and result to Brighton.
Eh even when he’s stinky he’s one of the very few on the pitch who has the ability to pull a rabbit out of a hat and do something game changing. Even at his worst, I’d still fancy him over most do get a goal or an assist out of nowhere.Some of you lot make out like Bruno is Cantona. Was stinking it up out there.
Everything? Our football has gone backwards even comparing his first season to his second. What evidence do you have of this?Everything.
Now who would you replace him with?
Anyone else feeling really rubbish after today, it’s been two games but I already feel so low about this season. Just can’t see him lasting the whole season and that’s another season gone & another rebuild
Thankfully, we have 5 people on top of him in the hierarchy that know football and will not take any bulshit. They will not sack him when it is too late and we can’t get top 4. If we are 5/6th by December, I think he will be hooked.
Note also there will not be any backlash by the fans, as the ETH in supports will admit he would need to go too.
The new contract was to reduce his influence and salary, which is why he didn’t sign it.The same 5 people who gave him a new contract over the summer?