Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

Erik ten Hag

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I suppose its a good thing that we didnt give him a new contract this summer as that means we wont have to give him a massive payoff when we sack him.
 
I'm team ETH, but feck me, those substitutions (McT for Bruno, feckING BRUNO WTF, and De Ligt for Harry who was playing solidly) gifted the match and result to Brighton.
 
Berbaclass said:
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Such a naive take. If after 3 years you cant get your players to play like you want, you are a shit manager. We have changed the squad to his needs.
This counts for every manager. But some managers have no issue to deal with having 3 players at the back for a free header. Maybe they just know what they are doing on the training pitch, tactic board and on the market.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
Of course.

Yet if Garnacho had not hit Zirkzee and we'd won 2-1 you would've written a very different post.

Strange that.
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It's not really strange because that isn't what happened and we lost, which is what can and will happen a fair bit as long as we don't control games and specialise in not scoring very much.

Already the 2nd late goak conceded in 3 games this season as well which is a theme carried over from last season and was also a theme with ETH'S Ajax in the champions league.

Losing all control of the game and simply hoping the game ends before the other team take advantage is neither not a plan or a tactic.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Liverpool and Brighton both have new manager without signing any players and they play better than us. Meanwhile, ETH need 3 years and 600mil playing zombie football.

Looks like another season gone and Ineos first major mistake?
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Both inherited better teams. We played quite well for 3 or 4 of Moyes first games as they were just playing Fergie's style.
 
Trying not to be too harsh because I've seen us play worse than we did today under this guy, but I feel like it was always going to get toxic quick, and it's partially why I think the decision to keep him was a mistake - we needed a clean break. I mean, it's game week 2 and some of you are already having to clock double shifts running interference for the manager.

People were euphoric about the FA Cup, understandably so, but similarly, we all watched the last two seasons. Can't expect people to act as if these performances/results are happening in a vacuum. We've had considerably monetary and time investment. Every loss moving forward will be magnified.

Hopefully the team can connect the dots soon. Liverpool game is huge.
 
George Owen said:
I'm team ETH, but feck me, those substitutions (McT for Bruno, feckING BRUNO WTF, and De Ligt for Harry who was playing solidly) gifted the match and result to Brighton.
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Some of you lot make out like Bruno is Cantona. Was stinking it up out there.
 
600m in transfers and still Brighton away is a bogey travel.

To sound like a broken record, again for the million time.
We can not win anything with the current set-up of the team or how we play. It's so obvious but people act defensive here to much till they are clouded with reason.

Expect another 65-70 points season.
Losing 6-9 league games.
Having +10 and below goal difference
Getting spanked in 3 games.
Winning 4-6 games during last minute
Winning Carabao or FA Cup.

Nothing massively will change until when we will start playing possession football.

I said, we can sign 11 new Yoros and nothing will change.
Pep will sign Kovacic, and he will shine not because Pep is a magician but he has known the blueprint of winning in EPL.

It seems even Arteta has found the recipe of winning in EPL. Which is extremely easy to know but hard to implement... Controlling 95% of your football matches.

Untill that happens, nothing drastic will happen to this football club.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
I suppose its a good thing that we didnt give him a new contract this summer as that means we wont have to give him a massive payoff when we sack him.
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Yeah thank god for that, he knows INEOS won't put up with too much of this before trigger is pulled. He deserves huge criticism for not valuing possession when it's so important as well
 
El Jefe said:
I just have no trust in him as a manager.

Some people really believe that him changing our style to be more in line with what he wants, means that we’ll be considerably better. All it means to me is we won’t look as terrible as we did last year but it doesn’t mean we’ll be good enough.

His team building is very very questionable and don’t believe he has the tactical nous or vision to create a PL winning team or even one that can challenge.
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I think Ineos should have replaced him in the summer but I really try to trust him, because I want to support the manager and I want him and the team to succeed. But he makes it so fecking hard to believe in him some times.
 
ETH seems to only want to play our best team for the last 20/30 minutes of a match, does he think that they'll be more effective agains tired opposition, the problem being that we are usually chasing the game by that point.
 
DWelbz19 said:
They are, but the commitment could easily (and probably will) just last this season. I think we finish at around 6th or 7th, with the same amount of goals scored all season.

Hopefully the signings stop at Ugarte this summer. Next summer we will 100% have moved on McTominay, Eriksen, and Casemiro. There’s a whole lot of rebuilding in the most important area of the field that needs to be overseen by a manager who actually wants to set up with a midfield to play football.
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Eh why should the signings stop at Ugarte when today shows we still need LB, DM, CM and ST
 
Berbaclass said:
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He's deceptively only focusing on the back post marking. I've not seen anyone blame ten Hag for that.

People are frustrated by the performances over the course of the managers entire time here and the lack of progress made. It's his 3rd season and are we any better than when he came in? Are we any better than Ole's teams who finished top 4? Can we keep possession of a football? Do we create a lot of chances? Do we have the quality in the team that reflects how much money he has spent on players?

Unfortunately the answer seems to be no to those questions.
 
I think in terms of performances, we are better than last season since we've at least patched our resting and transition defence with the 442 off the ball. There are good signs that we can kick on with time.

However, I think there needs to be pressure from both fans and the media if we don't pick up results soon. He's in his third season and has lost any credit in the bank. If early in the season its clear that we are out of the title running, by September or early October, he should be let go. I don't see a point in holding on to a manager you don't see taking you to the next step and I think last season was so bad that he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I think as a club, with RVN as our assistant who already employs the defensive structure, we are in a good position to let him go if we decide to move to that direction. We can't afford to waste another season, so ETH has to perform.

I am holding hope that he's able to push forward, but I'm also not pining my hopes on his improvement. We can't afford to do what we did last season and let the season get away from us looking for marginal improvements on a game to game basis. Great teams win with activity.
 
I know it's still early in the season but it's obvious City and Arsenal will finish in top 4. Then there's Liverpool, Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, us. CL football should hurt Villa to extent like it did Newcastle. Newcastle and Chelsea with basically no European football and that should make them better in league like with Spurs last season. Spurs playing some good stuff again.

There's great competition for CL spots and we'll have to be much better and repeat 22/23 season to have chance for top 4. If it doesn't go well with ten Hag sack him with quality replacement (if available) as early as October to save the season. As bad as we've been since 2013, we never went 2 consecutive season without CL football and it could happen if we stick too long with him while results suffer.
 
Anyone else feeling really rubbish after today, it’s been two games but I already feel so low about this season. Just can’t see him lasting the whole season and that’s another season gone & another rebuild
 
Redstain said:
Last season was a guarantee that United will never win the league under Eth.

Injury crisis or tactical insufficiency whatever the perspective is or the reasons a good manager doesn't allow the ground to fall beneath themselves to such an extent.

If INEOS strategic intention is to win the league at some point in the near future they should have axed the manager last season.
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They bottled sacking a manager after a huge, underdog, Cup win and they feared a huge backlash from the ground swell of online support around the manager. It was a major clusterfeck and will cost us at least a season of progression, unless Ruud is their fallback plan and he isn't too much of a tactical genius who is also a club legend that will be difficult to move on should he wet the bed. Major feck up keeping him.
 
BorisManUtd said:
I know it's still early in the season but it's obvious City and Arsenal will finish in top 4. Then there's Liverpool, Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, us. CL football should hurt Villa to extent like it did Newcastle. Newcastle and Chelsea with basically no European football and that should make them better in league like with Spurs last season. Spurs playing some good stuff again.

There's great competition for CL spots and we'll have to be much better and repeat 22/23 season to have chance for top 4. If it doesn't go well with ten Hag sack him with quality replacement (if available) as early as October to save the season. As bad as we've been since 2013, we never went 2 consecutive season without CL football and it could happen if we stick too long with him while results suffer.
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That option was there if they hadn’t extended him, now there is zero chance he gets sacked unless we are a complete disaster
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
That option was there if they hadn’t extended him, now there is zero chance he gets sacked unless we are a complete disaster
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Perhaps players give up on him and results turn into disaster like under Ole in that October-November 2021 period. Don't know but we can't give up on another season. Is winning Europa still a route to CL football? That would possibly be easier to achieve.
 
To those who want to keep him. Why? What do you see about us improving under him with time? Is there something I am missing?
 
If after 2 years all we've got is that we're better at pressing, then feck me.
 
Thankfully, we have 5 people on top of him in the hierarchy that know football and will not take any bulshit. They will not sack him when it is too late and we can’t get top 4. If we are 5/6th by December, I think he will be hooked.

Note also there will not be any backlash by the fans, as the ETH in supports will admit he would need to go too.
 
BorisManUtd said:
I know it's still early in the season but it's obvious City and Arsenal will finish in top 4. Then there's Liverpool, Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, us. CL football should hurt Villa to extent like it did Newcastle. Newcastle and Chelsea with basically no European football and that should make them better in league like with Spurs last season. Spurs playing some good stuff again.

There's great competition for CL spots and we'll have to be much better and repeat 22/23 season to have chance for top 4. If it doesn't go well with ten Hag sack him with quality replacement (if available) as early as October to save the season. As bad as we've been since 2013, we never went 2 consecutive season without CL football and it could happen if we stick too long with him while results suffer.
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We are in Europa Conference, but did not play starters in the first game.
 
League Stats for all below Managers. Added their first 78 games (as today was Ten Hags 78th League Game). Ignored Moyes, mainly because I don't want to think of that season ever again. Worth pointing out that Jose and Ole's downfalls started about now, so imagine there stats will begin to decline now. But technically on a Pts per game ration, Ten Hag is currently 4th highest among the United Managers.

Manager​
Win %​
Loss %​
Clean Sheets​
Games​
W​
D​
L​
GF​
GA​
GD​
Pts​
Pts PG​
Pep​
73.08%​
10.26%​
31​
78​
57​
13​
8​
194​
67​
+127​
184​
2.36​
Jose​
56.41%​
16.67%​
36​
78​
44​
21​
13​
126​
61​
+65​
153​
1.96​
Ole​
53.85%​
20.51%​
24​
78​
42​
20​
16​
138​
86​
+52​
146​
1.87​
Ten Hag​
53.85%​
30.77%​
27​
78​
42​
12​
24​
117​
103​
+14​
138​
1.77​
LVG​
51.32%​
23.68%​
29​
76​
39​
19​
18​
111​
72​
+39​
136​
1.79​
Klopp​
50.00%​
20.51%​
24​
78​
39​
23​
16​
150​
98​
+52​
140​
1.79​
Arteta​
50.00%​
30.77%​
28​
78​
39​
15​
24​
121​
84​
+37​
132​
1.69​
Rangnick​
41.67%​
29.17%​
6​
24​
10​
7​
7​
33​
33​
0​
37​
1.54​
 
Zaphod2319 said:
We are in Europa Conference, but did not play starters in the first game.
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I know, which is why I wrote "with basically no European football". No disrespect to the competition but don't expect you to play your strongest sides in those games, especially with how many players you've got. Maybe I'm wrong but anyway the intensity and quality of opposition won't be high for sure.
 
RedSky said:
League Stats for all below Managers. Added their first 78 games (as today was Ten Hags 78th League Game). Ignored Moyes, mainly because I don't want to think of that season ever again. Worth pointing out that Jose and Ole's downfalls started about now, so imagine there stats will begin to decline now. But technically on a Pts per game ration, Ten Hag is currently 4th highest among the United Managers.

Manager​
Win %​
Loss %​
Clean Sheets​
Games​
W​
D​
L​
GF​
GA​
GD​
Pts​
Pts PG​
Pep​
73.08%​
10.26%​
31​
78​
57​
13​
8​
194​
67​
+127​
184​
2.36​
Jose​
56.41%​
16.67%​
36​
78​
44​
21​
13​
126​
61​
+65​
153​
1.96​
Ole​
53.85%​
20.51%​
24​
78​
42​
20​
16​
138​
86​
+52​
146​
1.87​
Ten Hag​
53.85%​
30.77%​
27​
78​
42​
12​
24​
117​
103​
+14​
138​
1.77​
LVG​
51.32%​
23.68%​
29​
76​
39​
19​
18​
111​
72​
+39​
136​
1.79​
Klopp​
50.00%​
20.51%​
24​
78​
39​
23​
16​
150​
98​
+52​
140​
1.79​
Arteta​
50.00%​
30.77%​
28​
78​
39​
15​
24​
121​
84​
+37​
132​
1.69​
Rangnick​
41.67%​
29.17%​
6​
24​
10​
7​
7​
33​
33​
0​
37​
1.54​
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GD +14 is horrific
 
Offside said:
Some of you lot make out like Bruno is Cantona. Was stinking it up out there.
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Eh even when he’s stinky he’s one of the very few on the pitch who has the ability to pull a rabbit out of a hat and do something game changing. Even at his worst, I’d still fancy him over most do get a goal or an assist out of nowhere.
 

Ayush_reddevil said:
Anyone else feeling really rubbish after today, it’s been two games but I already feel so low about this season. Just can’t see him lasting the whole season and that’s another season gone & another rebuild
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I think it's more a realisation that another bad season is on the horizon. Personally I already rationalised that what we in saw pre season was a telling sign for what was to be expected. Typically I would never use pre season as a barometer to assess relativity in the short-medium term of a league campaign, but coming off the back of such a diabolical season I think Erik was in a position where he had to deliver no matter what.

Because the real question is was last season as much of a circumstance to crisis compared to it being an honest outcome in accountability when assessing the managers influence in results and overall performances.

Gut instinct says he's not at the level. I don't think it's going to make a difference the volume of signings made over the next two windows, when a team and manager is inconsistent it's almost set in stone that you have to recondition the framework around the head coach and that's only viable by change. Usually in business you can atone for poor results by introspection and review but football is unique in that outright change is the only constant because under the right hierarchy it's effective.

I know fans have been discontent with the paradigm of the hire / fire approach but we are undeniably going to witness what it is to experience persistence with misled leadership. They both equate to the same thing.
 
DownRiver said:
Thankfully, we have 5 people on top of him in the hierarchy that know football and will not take any bulshit. They will not sack him when it is too late and we can’t get top 4. If we are 5/6th by December, I think he will be hooked.

Note also there will not be any backlash by the fans, as the ETH in supports will admit he would need to go too.
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The same 5 people who gave him a new contract over the summer?
 
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