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No he isn’t, hes just shite and looking for excuses
We've turned a world class player into shite inside 2 years, nothing to do with Ten Hag though.
No he isn’t, hes just shite and looking for excuses
Arteta got time. I don’t think you’d want to be triggerhappy with a manager in general if you find someone who checks the boxes. You’d want a constant over time that develops the team. Not a new manager every year. Then the manager just gets blamed for a poor squad (again).No one knows, clubs generally follow a process of elimination. They appoint someone that seemingly has the tools, if it works they keep him and if it doesn't they quickly move to someone else.
Players can’t regress anymore?We've turned a world class player into shite inside 2 years, nothing to do with Ten Hag though.
The lowering of standards is never-ending with a certain lot of supporters, they won't be satisfied until we're West Ham level and that we're happy about it tooWe lost a league on goal difference, mate...since when was scoring goals meant very little? Crazy post.
Players can’t regress anymore?
All of them? Collectively? Must be an unprecedented collective regression of professional athletes in any sport ever.Players can’t regress anymore?
It will slowly increase in the next couple of days. What usually happens is the people who love Ten Hag more than they want to see United be successful give it 2 to 3 days before they come in here and start making excuses for him. You see it usually takes that amount of time for someone to come up with something extremely creative that can’t be immediately dismissed as bullshit.I voted today, the % of not wanting him sacked was below 10%, some how he's gained 5% in the space of 6 hours.
He's woeful, has to go.
Again you are hiding behind “give me a name”.
You tell me why sticking with eth will not make things worse and get us worse than it already is?
You talk about Ragnick but conveniently forget Ole came in as a caretaker and immediately made us look better. Did anyone think at that time his caretaker stint would be that good that he will be given the gig full time?
You won’t know till you try, but sticking with an option which is failing because you are scared is plain silly.
Arteta got time. I don’t think you’d want to be triggerhappy with a manager in general if you find someone who checks the boxes. You’d want a constant over time that develops the team. Not a new manager every year. Then the manager just gets blamed for a poor squad (again).
That’s the only reason I’m not crazy about sacking EtH after 3 games. There’s rarely been a constant team, and a new manager probably wants/needs new players for his specific style too.
Yup, I predicted yesterday that it would settle around 70-30 over the international break as people yet again forget how shit we've been and the excuses start flying inIt will slowly increase in the next couple of days. What usually happens is the people who love Ten Hag more than they want to see United be successful give it 2 to 3 days before they come in here and start making excuses for him. You see it usually takes that amount of time for someone to come up with something extremely creative that can’t be immediately dismissed as bullshit.
Yep, then back up to 50/50 when we beat Southampton 3-0 and more requests to give him time.Yup, I predicted yesterday that it would settle around 70-30 over the international break as people yet again forget how shit we've been and the excuses start flying in
We were taking about one player in particular - Casemiro. Did I say the whole team regressed?All of them? Collectively? Must be an unprecedented collective regression of professional athletes in any sport ever.
It's insanity.The lowering of standards is never-ending with a certain lot of supporters, they won't be satisfied until we're West Ham level and that we're happy about it too
Sorry but that's laughable. Potter posted a variety of different ways and set up differently to de Zerbi. So you believe they just got worse when they forgot Potter's training? They picked up de Zerbis play pretty instantly, but just not the defensive bit?
If you watched Brighton you'd know the defensive injuries they had throughout their team. I think Estupinan still isn't back playing yet, Lamptey was missing most of the season, they had CBs in midfield, CBs out injured, their entire front three missing... you don't even think it's possible that they just struggled without most of their first choice players? They don't have the depth we do, and even our depth was apparently the reason for our poor season
You asked if players can’t regress, and based on what I’m seeing, almost everyone has regressed. So it’s either there’s something in the water or the managers shit.We were taking about on player in particular - Casemiro. I didn’t say the whole team regressed.
Arteta got time. I don’t think you’d want to be triggerhappy with a manager in general if you find someone who checks the boxes. You’d want a constant over time that develops the team. Not a new manager every year. Then the manager just gets blamed for a poor squad (again).
That’s the only reason I’m not crazy about sacking EtH after 3 games. There’s rarely been a constant team, and a new manager probably wants/needs new players for his specific style too.
Yep was a constant theme last season too.It will slowly increase in the next couple of days. What usually happens is the people who love Ten Hag more than they want to see United be successful give it 2 to 3 days before they come in here and start making excuses for him. You see it usually takes that amount of time for someone to come up with something extremely creative that can’t be immediately dismissed as bullshit.
I only just saw him talking to the press after the match. Infuriating to watch him dismiss the observations that we give away the ball with sloppy passing, get caught on the ball in our own half, and that we are frequently getting countered with the opposition having superior numbers. I feel fecking gaslit by this guy.
But that's the point, there's little evidence the team is being developed.Arteta got time. I don’t think you’d want to be triggerhappy with a manager in general if you find someone who checks the boxes. You’d want a constant over time that develops the team.
It's worth remembering that Casemiro and Mainoo were targeted for the press by the dippers yesterday because they were spotted as physically vulnerable. Which of course they are. Mainoo will get stronger. Casemiro won't.Not only that. Cas has been pretty decent when he is one of the more advanced midfielders playing one-twos
Very much doubt it will be Southgate, he’s got another job. Best one out there is probably Tuchel but not sure he’d fit in with the Ineos structure. We might need to find a capable interim until someone better comes along. Interim’s can work. Carrick was brilliant in his 3 matches, beating Villarreal to qualify for last 16 of CL, beat Arsenal and drew with Chelsea. Then we brought in Rangnick and the rest is history. Meanwhile this duffer finishes bottom of an easy CL group.I dont get what he can change in all honesty....
Shaw and Ugarte might give us some marginsl gains but they wont improve a system that is ineffective. How long we will have Shaw for is a mystery.
Slot explained how Liverpool comfortably beat our press which seems to be Ten Hag'sgrand plan he's worked on and invested heavily in.
We are relying on individual players and in particular Rashford/Hojlund/Garnacho having transformative seasons which seems unlikely.
I hope it isn't Southgate but another manager with a semi-effective strategy would be an improvement.
But who identified Dutch/Ex-Ajax DeLigt, Mazrouri and Zirkzee?
McTominay wouldn't have made a difference yesterday, let's be honest here.
You kind of do... if that's what's being asked of you. Quite a few players are playing in a way that is uncharacteristic to what we know of them for their nations or at other clubs before getting here. It's not a coincidence.When was the last time our players took some responsibility? If the tactics expose your weakness you don’t have to compound them by playing stupid passes and trying to act like Scholes.
Not exactly our most pressing concern at the moment, is it? Rather our expected points having us in 15thYou realise we lost the league on goal difference once right?
Not exactly our most pressing concern at the moment, is it? Rather our expected points having us in 15th
Yeppers!.One thing I don’t get is how we’ve managed to take players who are supposedly very good on the ball (half of them came up through the Ajax academy after all) and turn them into quivering wrecks who can’t get rid of it quick enough.
Casemiro has 5 champions leagues. But yesterday he had the composure of a crack addict. This isn’t just to do with his legs going.
Onana was signed solely because of his distribution, yet all he does is hoof it to nobody just as De Gea did. The only difference is Onana can’t save any shots, (3 shots, 3 goals yesterday) and frequently stands in places that make scoring goals easier. At least when Dave dropped his clangers like Onana in the FA cup final, we hadn’t paid £50m to watch him do it.
The midfield is awful. We’ve spent 600m in 2 years, and we still finished the game with a midfield made up of an 18 year old and a 20 year old. Not because of injuries, but because they’re literally better options than some of the players that made up huge chunks of that outlay.
All in all it doesn’t reflect well on the manager. You can tell with multiple players their confidence is on the floor. He keeps picking the same players to do the same jobs, and when it doesn’t work, he does the same thing again the week after.