If nothing else, he makes the game exciting 
Capable of best defender in the world level and horrible within a minute
Capable of best defender in the world level and horrible within a minute
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I'd have him over maguire.
Both commit a schoolboy mistake every game but bailly also produced moments of brilliance which maguire doesn't.
Both commit a schoolboy mistake every game but bailly also produced moments of brilliance which maguire doesn't.
Oh yeah, certainly. I was not including injuries cos he obviously doesnt play when injured, was more talking about when hes on the pitch.
I do think he has some big game performances for us when he plays especially against better opposition. When hes playing maybe lesser teams he does at times get lax with his concentration. Hopefully with a competent manager that might change.
Couple sloppy moments. Still, has to play. Should be first choice if fit. Excellent 1v1 and can defend large spaces. Also very good on the ball. He’s actually so much better than the others at certain things he should absolutely be considered as a starter.
Classic Bailly performance. He'd probably be great in a back 3 or with a DM willing to drop into the backline
He has been a total disaster whenever he played in back 3. It helps covering for the lack of pace, or ball winning ability, but it exposes lack positional awareness. And Bailly is the worst out of our lot. He's an all action front foot defender more suited in back 4.
Well he won't be considered a starter, not even a little bit because he has a proven track record of being unreliable due to fitness and erractic play.
We're about to sign Martinez so I doubt he'll be here much longer.
Crazy the way his fans can dismiss a couple of absolutely catastrophic errors as somehow not a big deal, while we have dozens of posts slating our other centre backs over not being perfectly positioned to defend a counter.
Bailly has always been a wildly erratic performer. Which is the worst possible way to describe a footballer in his position. This has been evident in both pre-season games yet that somehow doesn’t matter because he’s made some marauding forward runs. Classic redcafe.
Bailly has always been a wildly erratic performer. Which is the worst possible way to describe a footballer in his position. This has been evident in both pre-season games yet that somehow doesn’t matter because he’s made some marauding forward runs. Classic redcafe.
You can’t not play a fit player because of fitness - and all of our centre halves are guilty of the latter.
Was only one ‘absolutely catastrophic error’, and one misplaced pass near the half way line.
Even including the sloppy things, for me he HAS to start ahead of Lindelof and Maguire. His reading and aggression is brilliant and works well if wanting to press high up the pitch.
EDIT - He needs to stay fit..........
EDIT - He needs to stay fit..........
Personally hope he goes , hes a disaster. Signs of absolute world class defending and feckwittery in the same game. Makes me nervous whenever I see him on the pitch
How does Maguire make you feel?
Can see him play RB if we don't sign a new player there.
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Talking about him as a starter is pointless because he is never fit. He is very good though yes.
I don't think it's this black and white across all settings. However, Maguire and Lindelof seem to be less suitable for a highline, aggressive front foot defending, which is what ETH is implementing. Bailly may benefit from this.
Are you saying he reads the game well? That and positiniong is his worst trait. He constantly reads wrong, charges and luckily has pace to often recover. He is far from good enough
You haven’t got a clue then.
Did you watch the game today? Watch their goal. Two idiots who can't see what was happening. Then second half you see Bailly cutting quite a few out with ease. Same as the Liverpool game.
Anyone wanting to see lindelof and Maguire again needs their heads checked
If you are blaming Lindelof for the goal you are just being reactive. The fault was with Shaw stranded miles out of position and making no effort to get back which forced Lindelof over to the left and as a result the not at all speedy Maguire was exposed. Easy to blame the CBs but bigger picture that goal was all about the woeful football intelligence and effort of Shaw.
I kind of agree, Bailly is the better footballer of the two and more athletic.
He'd be supreme in a team captained by Roy Keane, or playing next to Stam.
If he cuts out the Brain Fart moments - he’d be top class.
Where did you read me saying Lindelof/Maguire is a good pair?? Whatsboutism at it finest.
Either way, nothing you've said has changed the facts Bailly isnt good enough. Luckily we've signed a new CB.
Roy would have strangled him about 3 matches in because of his antics.
Great that he plays so well, might get some clubs interested finally
His top level is absolutely lovely but his bottom level is absolutely in the gutter.
Baillybauer 
Probably a bit old to retrain now, but looking at his core strengths and weaknesses - I think he'd have been brilliant at RB.
For the 8 games a season he was fit to play it, of course. Always loved Eric's style of play, but if we get an offer surely he has to go this summer. Enough chances.
I know, it would be the only thing to keep him grounded
Absolutely catastrophic but didn't lead to goals. Ok.
He needs consistent football to have a chance of doing that. And he needs consistent fitness to have a choice of doing that.
Bailly loses concentration now and then.
Why the errors.
He may be better utilized in midfield where there is constant action.
Why the errors.
He may be better utilized in midfield where there is constant action.
He actually played at RB for us a few times after we signed him and he was absolutely fantastic there.
Oh I don't remember that. Dare we drink the Bailly coolade one last time? ..
He produced his worst ever performance at right back in Paris too. Definitely up there with the worst performances I’ve ever seen. He was hooked after about half an hour if I’m not mistaken.
Can't say I remember that but I do remember the last time he played at RB, which was an absolute disasterclass vs PSG and hasn't played there since.
And I used to think at one point he could have been a decent RB.
He’s just an obvious choice for everything that we hear about how we want to play. Not only that, but a number of the other options are also so obviously unsuited.
We want to play high. We want to pass and carry the ball out from the back. We want 1v1 centre halves. We want to play ‘proactive football’. It’s clear, if we are impartially selecting, that Bailly is most suited. It’s also blindingly obvious that Maguire and Lindelof are not particularly suited. Yet I feel we are going to do this long dance first, on the basis that we would prefer and it would be more convenient if Maguire was most suited. Why not just make the obvious call? I appreciate Bailly has a mistake in him, but Maguire’s season was littered with them. I can’t see any scenario where Maguire is ahead of Bailly if he cost us £40m. Even if he has had greater consistency in both form and fitness - he hasn’t shown any consistency in being the type of centre half that we want/need. Just seems like we will engage in politicking.
We want to play high. We want to pass and carry the ball out from the back. We want 1v1 centre halves. We want to play ‘proactive football’. It’s clear, if we are impartially selecting, that Bailly is most suited. It’s also blindingly obvious that Maguire and Lindelof are not particularly suited. Yet I feel we are going to do this long dance first, on the basis that we would prefer and it would be more convenient if Maguire was most suited. Why not just make the obvious call? I appreciate Bailly has a mistake in him, but Maguire’s season was littered with them. I can’t see any scenario where Maguire is ahead of Bailly if he cost us £40m. Even if he has had greater consistency in both form and fitness - he hasn’t shown any consistency in being the type of centre half that we want/need. Just seems like we will engage in politicking.
I agree, the 2 goals he created in 2 friendlies I dont think anyone in our squad could have done that. He is very underrated on the ball, he has very good composure. He lacks long passing skill but more often that not, his passing is good.
The assist for Rashford goal was pure class.
We need to get rid. He’s very good but it’s just pointless speculating about “if Bailly could stay fit” because he won’t. Bin him and move on.
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