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Was he really fit for the whole of 18/19? He only had 8 starts all season in the league.
He had nightmare in that season.
Was he really fit for the whole of 18/19? He only had 8 starts all season in the league.
Yeah, I think I would too on balance.When fit I'd pick Bailly over Lindelof every time.
To be fair that was Maguires fault, he headed Bailly instead of the ballHe has a mistake in him, but so does Lindelof. He has the speed to complement Maguire. Just keeps banging his bloody head.
That's how I see it too. Bailly has a 8-9 / 10 ceiling, but a 3-4 floor. Lindelof is a steady 6 most games, but has a floor of 3-4 also.Yeah, I think I would too on balance.
Bailly is just as poor as Lindelof in the air, so you wouldn't be gaining or losing anything there. And in most other areas, Bailly is far superior. But the one thing that worries me is how rash he can be at coming out of defence to make challenges. That's the kind of thing that usually improves with experience, so we'll have to wait and see if the penny has dropped.
I don't think you can deny that Bailly's ceiling is a lot higher than Lindelof's. He just has to make the most of it now that he's being given a chance.
Very similar players in a lot of ways, imo. Both on the pitch and in the physio room.He reminds me a bit of Phil Jones - he loves throwing himself into tackles and challenges, and often can come off worse.
He's got all the other attributes to be a top class defender - if he cuts out the crazy stuff he could be a hell of a partner for Maguire.
Very similar players in a lot of ways, imo. Both on the pitch and in the physio room.
Jones is only 2 years older than Bailly. What's quite interesting is that Jones had actually played a lot more football in his career up to the age Bailly is now.
Jones has played 16,092 minutes to Bailly's 10,255 minutes at the same stage of their careers.
Bailly has only two seasons where he's played more than 1000 minutes in the league.
Was he really fit for the whole of 18/19? He only had 8 starts all season in the league.
Of course he wasn’t. Transfermarkts injury page is shit, it misses loads of injuriesWas he really fit for the whole of 18/19? He only had 8 starts all season in the league.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/eric-bailly/verletzungen/spieler/286384Eesh. Is this because his place in the team wasn’t guaranteed?
Or are we replacing Phil Jones with... someone that has an even worse injury record than him?
Both of those are terribly inaccurate rendering any comparison completely meaningless.https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/eric-bailly/verletzungen/spieler/286384
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/phil-jones/verletzungen/spieler/117996
This shows you "Games Missed due to injury" which eliminates the selection possibility variable.
Since 16/17 when Bailly moved to us, he has missed 313 days or 62 games whereas Jones in the same time frame has only missed 214 days or 45 games so roughly 29% more time injured. His saving grace is that Phil Jones has had 6 injures and Bailly has had only 4 meaning he has had longer absences due to less frequent injuries, now if we look at what the injuries were:
Jones
3x Hamstring
1x Toe
1x Ill
1x Knee Injury
Bailly
1x Knee injury
1x Bruise
1x Ankle Injury
1x Knee Surgery
Jones clearly has an issue with hamstrings with half his injuries down to his hamstring, Bailly had bad injuries to ankle (21 games) and knee (8 games), his biggest time out was surgery on his knee which common sense suggests was never repaired fully (28 Games).
I see some real hard luck, not a worrying trend despite the numbers
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/eric-bailly/verletzungen/spieler/286384
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/phil-jones/verletzungen/spieler/117996
This shows you "Games Missed due to injury" which eliminates the selection possibility variable.
Since 16/17 when Bailly moved to us, he has missed 313 days or 62 games whereas Jones in the same time frame has only missed 214 days or 45 games so roughly 29% more time injured. His saving grace is that Phil Jones has had 6 injures and Bailly has had only 4 meaning he has had longer absences due to less frequent injuries, now if we look at what the injuries were:
Jones
3x Hamstring
1x Toe
1x Ill
1x Knee Injury
Bailly
1x Knee injury
1x Bruise
1x Ankle Injury
1x Knee Surgery
Jones clearly has an issue with hamstrings with half his injuries down to his hamstring, Bailly had bad injuries to ankle (21 games) and knee (8 games), his biggest time out was surgery on his knee which common sense suggests was never repaired fully (28 Games).
I see some real hard luck, not a worrying trend despite the numbers
Whats inaccurate about them? Even if we just look at type of injury, the analysis has merit surely?Both of those are terribly inaccurate rendering any comparison completely meaningless.
I mean just to begin with, it says Phil Jones wasn’t injured for the entirety of 19/20 or now in 20/21 which is quite obviously wrong as he’s literally injured right now. If you look through you’ll see further that it’s missing injuries for both of them.Whats inaccurate about them? Even if we just look at type of injury, the analysis has merit surely?
I mean just to begin with, it says Phil Jones wasn’t injured for the entirety of 19/20 or now in 20/21 which is quite obviously wrong as he’s literally injured right now. If you look through you’ll see further that it’s missing injuries for both of them.
Sure you can maybe take something from the type of injuries, but the merit of it is still incredibly limited when it’s missing large chunks of information.
Unfortunately I’m not aware of one. I know PhysioRoom is decent for current injuries but I don’t think they have historical data for it. The only way would be to check transfermarkt for stretches of matches missed and then research yourself why they were missed.Thanks for the information, I wasn't aware.Is there a better source you know of for stats in general?
A bit extreme to call weak headers brain farts.He had 2 brain farts in the first half against Luton! People see what they want to see.
I mean just to begin with, it says Phil Jones wasn’t injured for the entirety of 19/20 or now in 20/21 which is quite obviously wrong as he’s literally injured right now. If you look through you’ll see further that it’s missing injuries for both of them.
Sure you can maybe take something from the type of injuries, but the merit of it is still incredibly limited when it’s missing large chunks of information.
If they play 50 games a season then that would be parVery similar players in a lot of ways, imo. Both on the pitch and in the physio room.
Jones is only 2 years older than Bailly. What's quite interesting is that Jones had actually played a lot more football in his career up to the age Bailly is now.
Jones had played 16,092 minutes to Bailly's 10,255 minutes at the same stage of their careers.
The most worrying thing is that Bailly has only had two seasons where he's played more than 1000 minutes in the league.
Just looked and the time Jones was injured by Smalling in England training in 2017 is down as a toe injury. So they’ve got injuries from matches and training.I wonder if they only track injuries when a player gets injured during a match?
A bit extreme to call weak headers brain farts.
I agree, I do really wish Bailly would come good but I just don’t see it with him anymore. He has everything needed physically but has a brain fart every game.The only reason people have this idea of Bailly as some sort of demi God defender who is great at intercepting, heading, dribbling, quickest ever, strong as Vidic Yada Yada is that he never plays. When he plays 2 or 3 games everyone will be throwing him under the bus for falling asleep 10 times a game, getting dragged out of position (last time he played VS Brighton he was a disaster) or heads the ball straight to the oppo.
He just barely ever plays so people have a totally distorted image of him in their heads. He isn't good enough. Lindelöf isn't bad he just isn't a quick and agile defender who is strong 1v1 so is constantly exposed next to Maguire in a high line.
Either way it doesn't matter because no way Bailly stays fit.
The only reason people have this idea of Bailly as some sort of demi God defender who is great at intercepting, heading, dribbling, quickest ever, strong as Vidic Yada Yada is that he never plays. When he plays 2 or 3 games everyone will be throwing him under the bus for falling asleep 10 times a game, getting dragged out of position (last time he played VS Brighton he was a disaster) or heads the ball straight to the oppo.
He just barely ever plays so people have a totally distorted image of him in their heads. He isn't good enough. Lindelöf isn't bad he just isn't a quick and agile defender who is strong 1v1 so is constantly exposed next to Maguire in a high line.
Either way it doesn't matter because no way Bailly stays fit.
Terrible ideaNot to go all LVG but.. would he not be a good DM? Has all the tools for a destroyer?
Terrible idea
This is exactly whats wrong with this club. 4 years and still waiting. Get rid. Im sick of waiting for players to come good.
How come? Tenacious, very physical and good at getting the ball outside of the penalty area
DM requires a lot of positional awareness and you'd normally have a very clever player there who would know when to slot back in to defence and when to step out. Also involves finding room for himself to receive the ball from a CB, timing runs forward, and all of that. Not trying to bash Bailly here, but it's a terrible idea.How come? Tenacious, very physical and good at getting the ball outside of the penalty area
I personally believe Ole wants Bailly to be a fit third choice and that there is no way he can trust Bailly to play 1-2 matches per week and 45 matches per season . Ole was probably overall happy with the good defensive result last year but understands he needs a third CB for rotation and as backup. If Lindelof get back to normal level after his horrrible last game I think he will play PL and Bailly will play cup games with long resting time in between.