His all.around play is really good. I've been impressed with his little forays into the opposition half and the passes he's making when there.
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I agree with much of what you write. Lindelöf was our best defender with a clear margin the first part of this season. He had a very good working relationship with Maguire last season (notwithstanding that some posters ‘feel’ they have an error in them). This season, apart from the obvious preseason issue that should make us discount the opening three matches when looking to evaluate anything, Maguire has been the weak link. He has played below his own par and is only just now starting to rid himself of the mental unawareness that has seemingly affected him this season.
I think Bailly, as since when he arrived’ is a fantastic CB on his day, which has been affected by injuries and decision making in tandem. Now he has five and a half good games in a row, I rejoice, while I would never chanche our tactics based on his strengths as we’d have to change back when he’s injured again and upheave our defensive stability.
Love him. Up there with his first season form atm.
He still has a brainless moment in him which is worry, probably because he plays so much on instinct, but that's a positive most of the time especially when you look at those blocks he makes.
Unfortunately it also contributes to why he gets injured a lot of the time too!
He still has a brainless moment in him which is worry, probably because he plays so much on instinct, but that's a positive most of the time especially when you look at those blocks he makes.
Unfortunately it also contributes to why he gets injured a lot of the time too!
This. Bailly has had a few good games and has always been capable of that, but has never been able to do it consistently over a season, never mind season after season like Vidic. Bailly is also capable of losing his head and having some absolute nightmare games. The talent has always been there but hopefully he can keep his head until the end of the season and avoid injury.
Hopefully he can stay fit for as long as possible as he’s been brilliant these past few weeks. Seeing him cover our defenders on the left side of the pitch yesterday due to his pace was fantastic to watch. He compliments Maguire well and we need that pace and ability to not be bullied at the back.
He's been absolutely magnificent since he came back. If can stay injury free he is a great asset to have. Him and Maguire is a really good partnership and it basically solves our CB problems. Maguire, a fit Bailly, Lindelof and Axel is a good pool of defenders.
Big fan of his. Just hope he can stay fit. Yes he’s prone to the odd rash moment but on form, he’s fantastic.
I've been super critical of him in the past, but I'm warming to him a lot.
I still think his heading ability, particularly the timing of his leap, is a problem. He's so poor at it, which is maddening considering he's got an incredible leap on him. He also gives me heart palpitations at least once a game by doing a risky turn in his own half. But god he is entertaining. He's reminds me of Lucio, who I remember was keen on a stepover and a cruyff turn whilst facing his own goal.
He's very proactive and seems to have a very good sense of where the danger will come from. I think he's formed a good partnership with Maguire in the last few games too, whereas Maguire and Lindelof tend to play like 2 individuals and not as a pair.
I worry that Ole still fancies Lindelof ahead of him. Both have flaws, but I'd rather see Bailly right now. He's been very impressive, and I can't remember the last time I was impressed with Lindelof.
I still think his heading ability, particularly the timing of his leap, is a problem. He's so poor at it, which is maddening considering he's got an incredible leap on him. He also gives me heart palpitations at least once a game by doing a risky turn in his own half. But god he is entertaining. He's reminds me of Lucio, who I remember was keen on a stepover and a cruyff turn whilst facing his own goal.
He's very proactive and seems to have a very good sense of where the danger will come from. I think he's formed a good partnership with Maguire in the last few games too, whereas Maguire and Lindelof tend to play like 2 individuals and not as a pair.
I worry that Ole still fancies Lindelof ahead of him. Both have flaws, but I'd rather see Bailly right now. He's been very impressive, and I can't remember the last time I was impressed with Lindelof.
Bailly did this twice yesterday
agree but no one would be shocked if he threw in a brain fart against Liverpool.
Sensational yesterday, but you always feel that brainfart is coming. If he plays against Liverpool, let's hope it's not in that game.
Whether Bailly is the answer in the long term going forward mostly depends on his fitness, which has always been the issue since he signed, and he's shown huge potential ever since then. What Bailly's recent performances do show, is that, regardless of whether he is the answer or not, Lindelof is without a doubt NOT the answer, and we would be much better off with a CB with Bailly's qualities in there rather (whether him or someone else) than Lindelof's.
The guy is made of glass...he needs to be quadruple glazing or possibly more to prevent an injury ...can be brilliant when fit. He definitely complements Maguire with pace at tracking back and breaking up play but still feel recruitment should be high in this dept come the summer window
unfortunately, Rashani or Greenandes is not a unit. And we are in business of naming units here
Rather exemplary of late, will pick up an injury at some point as per but it’s honestly not a contest between our CBs when he’s fit.
His pace/agility is simply an ability you can overstate in the modern game & a few times yesterday when his defensive partner was cumbersome he was able to get to places his counterparts simply do not.
Real shame injuries have robbed us of our stand out CB for such a large amount of his time here.
His pace/agility is simply an ability you can overstate in the modern game & a few times yesterday when his defensive partner was cumbersome he was able to get to places his counterparts simply do not.
Real shame injuries have robbed us of our stand out CB for such a large amount of his time here.
List them
Whenever players are discussed on the Caf. It turns into an argument about which one of two is better, and the other gets trashed.
we have had
martial vs Rashford
Bruno vs Pogba
Shaw vs Telles
now it’s:
Maguire vs Bailly
we have had
martial vs Rashford
Bruno vs Pogba
Shaw vs Telles
now it’s:
Maguire vs Bailly
Agree when you summarise their total performances; you take consistency into account.
I’m talking about Bailly’s performances after his return. In that context I completely disagree Vidic was miles ahead of Bailly, I’m not even sure replacing Bailly with Vidic would have made any difference.
Bailly when he plays like he do now is among the best defender in the league, the same as Vidic was. It's an exaggeration and very likely wrong to claim if Vidic has played today he’d be by far the best defender in the league.
True. Hope one day it'll be SAF vs OGS...I'm a OGS doubter (not outer) but will be great. You never know.
whoever started the Bailly/Vidic comparisons is so very wrong.
I can see a comparison between Bailly and Wes Brown.
Feel a bit sorry for Bailly... who genuinely is more error prone between him and Lindelof? I would be stunned if the answer to that is actually Bailly.
I am not sure this reputation he has for being error prone is particularly fair or justified. Injury prone, absolutely. I think he usually performs quite well when he does play given that he rarely has a run of games to reach top form. He's doing brilliantly at the moment so I just hope he can stay fit and that he gets the nod for Sunday.
I am not sure this reputation he has for being error prone is particularly fair or justified. Injury prone, absolutely. I think he usually performs quite well when he does play given that he rarely has a run of games to reach top form. He's doing brilliantly at the moment so I just hope he can stay fit and that he gets the nod for Sunday.
The original point was about consistency. It’s hard for someone to show consistency when they’ve barely played. If it wasn’t for injuries and both Bailly and Maguire played the same number of games back to back, I don’t think there’s any doubt who would perform better over that period. That’s the point. That’s factoring in Bailly’s moments of madness as well!
Everyone is talking about how Bailly makes Maguire look better. That says it all. No one thinks Maguire makes Bailly look better.
continue to disagree.
Maguire and Bailly look like they are complimenting each other. Still needs more time than 5-6 games.
As part of that, obviously Maguire makes Bailly look better. Just imagine Bailly and Lindelof or Bailly and Tuanzebe. People are talking about how Bailly is making Maguire look better, because he’s the new one of the partnership. How obvious is that?
and obviously there’s doubt over who would be better over the longer term.
How about we be happy that we have a partnership that looks to be working well. It will get thoroughly tested at the weekend.
far better to look at facts than fiction, and that’s that Bailly has barely been available for the past 2 years.
to proclaim “if it wasn’t for injuries” means the square route of nothing and it not a worthwhile argument.
You are probably better to just continue to disagree.
He's been immense, as everyone has pointed out its just whether he can stay fit or not.
For those saying we don't need a CB I think we still do, but it's Tuanzabe I feel is the one in danger of getting shipped out. Let Lindelof be back up to Maguire and bring in a pacy CB to challenge Bailly for the other spot.
For those saying we don't need a CB I think we still do, but it's Tuanzabe I feel is the one in danger of getting shipped out. Let Lindelof be back up to Maguire and bring in a pacy CB to challenge Bailly for the other spot.
Please stay fit!!
My take on this.
Maguire is necessary in this team. He is so dominant in the air, where Bailly is weak. Maguire is not the best organiser in the world, but both Bailly and Tuanzebe are "sidekicks" in that aspect and not capable of organising the defense (this is really speculation, but that's how I feel about it). Tuanzebe looked much better when Bailly was replaced with Maguire imo.
Lindelof is not close to Maguire's aerial dominance either, but he seems to be a good organiser. If we face teams who play mostly on the ground I can definitely see him and Bailly together. I think they looked good against Brighton as example.
we definitely do. Bailly is doing his best to prove me wrong, and I’m very happy about that. But we can’t dismiss his injury record after being fit for a month.
you are right Tuanzebe is the one in danger. If Maguire was out for a sustained period, the defence would fall apart.
the problem is we still have Rojo and Jones on the books - and we have to get rid of them first I would suggest. We actually have 6 very well paid centre halves at the club.
On current form he is our best defender and is complementing really well Maguire. The problem though is if he can stay fit (and will he make some brainfart).
Yep, and when he brings the ball forward he can do so quite rapidly, which makes a lot of difference. His passing was super sloppy against Watford though. But he's been very impressive in this short run of games. Hope he stays fit.
We already have one of those, his name is Phil Jones.
We will rectify that in the summer. I am sure Rojo and Jones wont be here next season. This will free up a CB slot.
I do not think Tuanzebe will cut it here. He has pace but he never uses it, he almost jogs back which is worrying. Maybe a loan again to PL club?
Maguire is the better CB but Bailly can be an even higher level if this form continues.
Just waiting for that stupid pen/red card or injury from Bailly.
Hope he proves me wrong.
I don’t think a loan would work. He has to play for us now if he’s going to make it.
perhaps the PSG game was a complete outlier. I’m not comparing the two, but even William Prunier looked fantastic in one match (his debut) for us.
Maybe we overrate him.
100% over rated. I was guilty of this too. I haven't seen anything from him to say he will be a top CB. He isn't good in the air, he makes mistakes and hasn't stayed fit.
I still believe PSG was a good game because it suited him perfectly, not because it was an outlier. It was a clear and well defined task, he did not need to make many decisions, and he executed his task very well. He was one part of an 8 man defence. He struggled much more when he was suppose to cover the whole line himself against Istanbul BB.
Bailly makes less errors per game but when he does makes them, his errors are generally disastrous as it probably leads to a red card and/or a penalty
Lindelof makes more smaller errors here and there. Missing a header, misreading play etc which causes general havoc in our defense but he is not likely to get sent off or give away a pen.
Personally I'd rather have Bailly but he needs to temper that inner madman just a little. I love the last minute lunges and blocks but one wrong timing and its a pen. Vidic is a great example of controlled aggression.
Vidic was best defender in the league even when Rio and JT were around. They were english so they got the "english love" more.
Bailly would have to be fit for a full season and nearly flawless to even be in comparison with Vidic.
Bailly would have to be fit for a full season and nearly flawless to even be in comparison with Vidic.
Rojo and Jones should be gone by summer at the latest. Tuanzabe will have had a couple of seasons to stake a claim by that point as well, and looks nowhere near doing so. I wouldn't expect him to be sold, but rather relegated to 5th choice which is no good for him at all.
Get a pacy CB that's good in the air to fight it out with Bailly and the defence is almost set. (I don't think AWB is a big problem, and more needs a rotation option like we did with Telles)
Maguire is better on the ball , that includes first touch, dribbling, and passing.
Better at attacking the ball. Ability wise, has higher reach and bigger presence.
Diagonal passes, short or long.
Better composure.
Better standing tackles.
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