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What the hell was he thinking on the McTominay goal?!
He was attacking the ball as he should?
What the hell was he thinking on the McTominay goal?!
We know a-man he should have backed off all the way behind Henderson and not risked the penalty, like our master defender Lindelof.I’m absolutely not saying he was bad, i thought he was good. Just don’t think this was a performance so superior that it makes him the best defender at the club. He did his job against a weak side just like the rest of the defence, but adding a bit more drama to it. Like the tackle in the penalty box.
Absolutely. We were very close to an all time great Bailly moment, Eric cleaning McT out of it to snuff out our first real sight of goal. Could have been epic. Would also, of course, have resulted in the now mandatory 6 week Bailly lay off as he dislocated his collarbone or some such nonsense.What the hell was he thinking on the McTominay goal?!
Great riddle that...maybe, just maybe he was concentrating on the flight of the ball like great jumpers do.What the hell was he thinking on the McTominay goal?!
Bailly’s a bit of an odd one in that he can look so assured and solid one game, then have a complete mare the next.
Yeah, he is pretty rapid. Together with his eagerness in the tackle, he should compliment Maguire well.That moment he ate up the ground when their striker was through on goal and ended up winning the free kick getting to the ball first is exactly why we need him in the team.
Another pretty spotless performance on a difficult night with the weather. He is our best CB on form right now and deserves to start.
He also allows us to play a higher line a lot more safely which gives the rest of the team confidence to press - this is very important.
You know who else isn't reliable? Lindelof. Maguire has had some mares recently as well, although to his credit at least he's never injured. I'm really tired of people acting like Bailly is the only one of our defenders that does stupid stuff, because I don't think we have a single defender at the club that I look at and know he's never going to make a mistake. At least with Bailly you get the trade off of defending on the front foot and with athleticism instead of looking unsure every time someone is running at him.Yepp, good again today but he aint reliable. Libdeløf was also very good tonight. Atleast they compete with each other
Sorry if I’m going against Club Consensus who thinks is a tackle is the only way, feels like it’s AWB thread all over again.We know a-man he should have backed off all the way behind Henderson and not risked the penalty, like our master defender Lindelof.
Relative to the other defenders on the pitch against the same opposition he was supperior.It’s a bit similar to how people evaluated AWB half a year ago. Bailly did the same job as every one else in the defence, but with one or two more spectacular tackles and suddenly he is superior to everybody else and the best defender at the club. (We played Brighton B-team)
We know a-man he should have backed off all the way behind Henderson and not risked the penalty, like our master defender Lindelof.
What the hell was he thinking on the McTominay goal?!
Absolutely. We were very close to an all time great Bailly moment, Eric cleaning McT out of it to snuff out our first real sight of goal. Could have been epic. Would also, of course, have resulted in the now mandatory 6 week Bailly lay off as he dislocated his collarbone or some such nonsense.
We know a-man he should have backed off all the way behind Henderson and not risked the penalty, like our master defender Lindelof.
Bailly doesn't eyes on the back of his head. If anything it's the lack of communication from McTominay.What the hell was he thinking on the McTominay goal?!
Not even behind Henderson, just backing out of the scene and then fighting with Bruno on the bench.We know a-man he should have backed off all the way behind Henderson and not risked the penalty, like our master defender Lindelof.
What the hell was he thinking on the McTominay goal?!
Would genuinely be like a new signing if he could keep fit for the season. We could do with Bailly +1 at the back.
Didnt we see that already under Jose?If Smalling doesn't leave. I'd love to see him and Bailly even in a cup game. Think they would complement each other well
Bailly doesn't eyes on the back of his head. If anything it's the lack of communication from McTominay.
Bailly timed his run perfectly, while McTominay was lucky that Ben White made a serious mistake, playing McTominay onside. Against a defensive line that played the offside trap correctly, McTominay mistimed run would cancel our chance.
Tactically Bailly was perfect in this situation. So if one is looking for things to complain, there is nothing to see here.
Edit: Credit to GifLord.
Here is the gif for better understanding of the situation
Can people stop talking about his injuries until he actually gets injured?
I mean whats the point. Hes been healthy for a while. Not playing him cuz you expect him to get injured is not a valid reason.
Let him play. He is healthy. He deserves it.
If something bad happens oh well, it is what it is but he is healthy so just play him. He just might be our best defender.
Yes Lindelof ended up in places where he needed to play his way out with a bit risky passes, at a few occasions. Even if it turned out well, I agree it can be risky. Bailly cleared similar situations to throw in at 3-4 occasions instead, which might be smarter. (Lindelof also cleared a ball or two to throw in.)Relative to the other defenders on the pitch against the same opposition he was supperior.
Lindelof kept getting trapped facing the corner flag and was having to make risky passes to try and clear possession. This was a consequence of him being slow to turn when receiving the ball and generally poor situational awareness. Bailly was picking up the ball and seeing the play much faster. He was also snuffing out developing play on the left quickly.
It's hard to compare CBs to FBs, but generally I thought that Williams wasn't doing Lindelof many favours on the left which may have made his job harder than normal compared to when Shaw is down that side. But with that said but Shaw and Williams are closer in levels than Dalot and AWB so I expect Bailly on the right side of defence with AWB outside him would be a road block for most teams who aim to play the channels. I will admit, if Bailly had to play on the left side of defence it may be a slightly different debate.
Great riddle that...maybe, just maybe he was concentrating on the flight of the ball like great jumpers do.
Yes Lindelof ended up in places where he needed to play his way out with a bit risky passes, at a few occasions. Even if it turned out well, I agree it can be risky. Bailly cleared similar situations to throw in at 3-4 occasions instead, which might be smarter. (Lindelof also cleared a ball or two to throw in.)
Again, I think he had a good game. It’s just the over reaction here I compared with the over reaction when AWB played his spectacular style in his first months. Also at that time I got some peoples up and jumping because I thought AWB poor positioning and poor ball handling was masked with spectacular tackling. Its more or less the sam know, when people think Bailly is the best CB at the club. The other CBs have played week in, week out, against all opposition last season, while he has played a handful matches like this where the opponents are weak. It’s not enough to claim he is much better than Maguire or Lindelof.
I prefer calm defenders. I don’t think it is good when a CB is throwing himself in a risky two foot tackle in his own box, when they already were 2 vs 1 against the attacker. Others like that and i respect that. Just don’t confuse it with superior defending.
edit: another positive takeaway is that Bailly and Lindelof played well together. It was a bit weak opposition, but they had good cooperation. Of course they will never have Maguire’s aerial abilities but they offer better defending on the ground. Maybe it can work as Henderson is more dominant in the box compared to DDG.
It's clear his recklessness is a direct cause of many of his injuries so it isn't just a case of oh well, it is what it is. He doesn't get injured because of bad luck but predictably poor choices. Our best periods have been marked by having a consistent back 3 and it's a common theme among league winners to have ultra reliable centre backs, not just in their play (which struggles with) but in getting onto the pitch (which Bailly also struggles with). I like him but he's unreliable, that's not something you can brush off easily.
Ighalo was offside. When you look at when Mata made contact with the ball, the whole Brighton defense beside Ben White was well coached, to keep the line. Ben White was few bodies away from Ighalo. He was to defend his zone, not dealing with Ighalo was well marked, and not in his zone. There was no reason for him to get triggered and fall out of line. It's just individual error.While I agree that White played him onside, it was equally Ighalo's good movement that forced White to take those steps and, unknowingly, play McTominay onside behind him.
Bailly’s a bit of an odd one in that he can look so assured and solid one game, then have a complete mare the next.
Defenders always react to runners on set pieces. It is an invidividual error that defenders are actually trained to do. He didn't know he was covering McT (which is the error, not that he reacted on Ighalo)Ighalo was offside. When you look at when Mata made contact with the ball, the whole Brighton defense beside Ben White was well coached, to keep the line. Ben White was few bodies away from Ighalo. He was to defend his zone, not dealing with Ighalo was well marked, and not in his zone. There was no reason for him to get triggered and fall out of line. It's just individual error.
He was stay with the line to keep the offside trap. Then move when the free kick taker makes contact with the ball, and defend his zone. He was not to cover anyone.Defenders always react to runners on set pieces. It is an invidividual error that defenders are actually trained to do. He didn't know he was covering McT (which is the error, not that he reacted on Ighalo)
Nah mate, it was a risky situation but he got it right and I think you underappreciate what a good sliding ramming tackle does to an attacker. The presence of intimidating CBs like Bailly compared to the likes of Lindelof helps defenses.Sorry if I’m going against Club Consensus who thinks is a tackle is the only way, feels like it’s AWB thread all over again.
Bailly needs to compose himself as a defender. He's just too eager, clumsy and rash on occasions. Especially these days with penalties given out like confetti. Reminds me of the issues Jones face to a lesser extent. If he resolves a few of these issues he has the attributes of being a good solid defender.
Yes, Williams is also similar. I'd add Rojo as well. You really don't need to win the ball as a defender all the time. There are other ways to stop attacking players from gaining an advantage.Him and Williams, when they are in the own penalty area, I am praying for them not to do anything silly, which is not a good thing.
It always seems he wants to win the ball every time, complete opposite to Lindelof who will back off.
Bailly doesn't eyes on the back of his head. If anything it's the lack of communication from McTominay.
Bailly timed his run perfectly, while McTominay was lucky that Ben White made a serious mistake, playing McTominay onside. Against a defensive line that played the offside trap correctly, McTominay mistimed run would cancel our chance.
Tactically Bailly was perfect in this situation. So if one is looking for things to complain, there is nothing to see here.
Edit: Credit to GifLord.
Here is the gif for better understanding of the situation
You know who else isn't reliable? Lindelof. Maguire has had some mares recently as well, although to his credit at least he's never injured. I'm really tired of people acting like Bailly is the only one of our defenders that does stupid stuff, because I don't think we have a single defender at the club that I look at and know he's never going to make a mistake. At least with Bailly you get the trade off of defending on the front foot and with athleticism instead of looking unsure every time someone is running at him.