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Look at the fast bowling options England have. You feel that Archer, Wood, Turner, and Craig Overton are also in with a shout to tour Australia next year. Lots of options & depth.Frightening if your the opposition.
 
Rams said:
Look at the fast bowling options England have. You feel that Archer, Wood, Turner, and Craig Overton are also in with a shout to tour Australia next year. Lots of options & depth.Frightening if your the opposition.
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Craig? I don't think he's been in a squad since Stokes and McCullum took over. He's the 80mph type that they're moving away from. Jamie maybe, his pace would be suitable for Australia. But he's constantly injured.

Potts is also in the mix, and Tongue looked good before he got injured. Hull a complete wildcard. Fisher maybe, he got a move to Surrey which generally precedes an England call up. Mahmood if he can ever sustain some fitness. Ollie Stone as well. Robinson on the periphery unless he can improve his fitness and maybe add a couple yards of pace. Sam Cook is probably the best bowler in County the past few years but unlikely he in contention for Australia.
 
Isn't Robinson meant to be a bit of a knobhead too?

I don't think he'd be a good choice down under. His fitness is shocking and I don't think he's quick enough anyway.
 
Trequarista10 said:
Craig? I don't think he's been in a squad since Stokes and McCullum took over. He's the 80mph type that they're moving away from. Jamie maybe, his pace would be suitable for Australia. But he's constantly injured.

Potts is also in the mix, and Tongue looked good before he got injured. Hull a complete wildcard. Fisher maybe, he got a move to Surrey which generally precedes an England call up. Mahmood if he can ever sustain some fitness. Ollie Stone as well. Robinson on the periphery unless he can improve his fitness and maybe add a couple yards of pace. Sam Cook is probably the best bowler in County the past few years but unlikely he in contention for Australia.
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Sorry Jaimie of course! He’s a proper fast bowler with pace & bounce, hits the deck hard, he’s made for test cricket similar to Carse. And he bats. If he can stay fit, he’s definitely good enough.
Forgot about Stone & Tongue, the strength in depth quickies is currently 2nd to none, we’re going to be a handful on the pitches in Australia.
 
Looking like a proper thrashing. Would be a cracking series win for England. Back on track after the Pakistan wobble.
 
Root inching closer to Tendulkar’s record. I have a feeling he will somehow get there. Or at worst, fall just short.
Proper legend.

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I think fab 4 debate should be put to rest now. Root head and shoulders above the other 3.
 
iKnowNothing said:
Root inching closer to Tendulkar’s record. I have a feeling he will somehow get there. Or at worst, fall just short.
Proper legend.

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I think fab 4 debate should be put to rest now. Root head and shoulders above the other 3.
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When he wasn’t making runs, it looked like a form issue and not a technique issue. Smith is at the same level because his average is never going to go below 55 due to his huge seasons.

There isn’t a fab 4 in test cricket for the generation gone by.. There’s a fab 2.
 
zing said:
When he wasn’t making runs, it looked like a form issue and not a technique issue. Smith is at the same level because his average is never going to go below 55 due to his huge seasons.

There isn’t a fab 4 in test cricket for the generation gone by.. There’s a fab 2.
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Who was that ......Bradman and daylight second?
 
iKnowNothing said:
Root inching closer to Tendulkar’s record. I have a feeling he will somehow get there. Or at worst, fall just short.
Proper legend.

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I think fab 4 debate should be put to rest now. Root head and shoulders above the other 3.
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He’s just over 3,000 runs behind now and about to turn 34. This year he has 1470 runs with 1 test to go.

Batsmen can lose form quickly as they age but I think he has to be odds on currently to take the record. Basically three more years at or around this level (by which time he will just be turning 37) and he will definitely get there.
 
In the last 4 years Root has made over 5000 runs. I can't even put into words how crazy his numbers are.
 
I think you also need to factor in how many tests per year Root will play.

There's 1 more left vs NZ, and 11 in 2025 (including one in January '26). Is the schedule for 2026 onwards known? I can't find it.

He scores about 85 runs a match on average so I think he needs another 35-40 tests. A couple more years with 15-16 tests and it looks a certainty, but if there's only 10 or so per year then it's possible he falls short. Likewise, it's equally possible he plays on until his early 40s and obliterates the record completely.
 
Also the rate he is scoring at is unsustainable. Next year he has 5 tests against India & 4 against Australia so you would expect the runs to go down a bit. I think in the 10 tests in 2025 if he is able to manage a decent average then he has a great shot at the record
 
Trequarista10 said:
I think you also need to factor in how many tests per year Root will play.

There's 1 more left vs NZ, and 11 in 2025 (including one in January '26). Is the schedule for 2026 onwards known? I can't find it.

He scores about 85 runs a match on average so I think he needs another 35-40 tests. A couple more years with 15-16 tests and it looks a certainty, but if there's only 10 or so per year then it's possible he falls short. Likewise, it's equally possible he plays on until his early 40s and obliterates the record completely.
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https://www.wisden.com/cricket-news...st-of-test-odi-and-t20i-fixtures-from-2023-27

3 at home to NZ, 3 at home to Pakistan, 3 in South Africa 26/27, 2 in Bangladesh Feb 27.
 
Rams said:
Carse had been incredible since his debut. We’re talking Bumrah or Starc levels.
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Not sure you’ve seen Bumrah or Starc bowl.

Or Carse for that matter.
 
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Ayush_reddevil said:
In the last 4 years Root has made over 5000 runs. I can't even put into words how crazy his numbers are.
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19 centuries since 2021. That’s a solid test career by itself. The top 5-7 of the ‘most runs’ list is the Mount Rushmore of modern day batting and Joe Root deserves his place there. I get mildly disappointed when people set stat padding records. This isn’t one. Root deserves to be top 3 and #1 if he gets there. Complete player.
 
zing said:
Not sure you’ve seen Bumrah or Starc bowl.

Or Carse for that matter.
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Yeah, I'm not even going to give that comparison a serious reply.

Although Starc is a level below Bumrah to.
 
zing said:
Not sure you’ve seen Bumrah or Starc bowl.

Or Carse for that matter.
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I’ll resist getting as personal and nasty as you are being, but clearly you haven’t seen Carse bowl against Pakistan and the black caps this winter. Not that he should be uttered in the same breath as a Bumrah yet admittedly, but he’s been seriously impressive in his fledging test career so far. He’s made some very good batsman look very ordinary. As an England fan it’s been a pleasant surprise and a treat to watch, so you can think & write what you want to.
 
Rams said:
I’ll resist getting as personal and nasty as you are being, but clearly you haven’t seen Carse bowl against Pakistan and the black caps this winter. Not that he should be uttered in the same breath as a Bumrah yet admittedly, but he’s been seriously impressive in his fledging test career so far. He’s made some very good batsman look very ordinary. As an England fan it’s been a pleasant surprise and a treat to watch, so you can think & write what you want to.
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starc averages 27 and bumrah averages 20. In percentile terms, the number of bowlers between them is a big percentage that’ve played test cricket. Carse has played a handful of games. These are 3 very different players.
 
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I don't think you can judge Starc solely on that 27 average. He's better than that.

He's expensive but he takes wickets, and when you've got Cummins, Lyon, and Hazlewood to back you up, it doesn't really matter if you go for a few more.

Definitely up there with the top fast bowlers of the last 20 or so years along with Bumrah (who's joint top with Steyn).
 
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zing said:
starc averages 27 and bumrah averages 20. In percentile terms, the number of bowlers between them is a big percentage that’ve played test cricket. Carse has played a handful of games. These are 3 very different players.
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It terms of bowling style Carse coincidentally is a wee bit similar to Bumrah, but I’m certainly not comparing the 3 in terms of style & bowling technique. I only wrote that Carse was bowling at a high level and used Bumrah & Starc as illustration, not that he’s a similar in his action or that he’s going to achieve anything near what those 2 have achieved in test cricket, but I would have thought that’s obvious.
 
LDUred said:
I don't think you can judge Starc solely on that 27 average. He's better than that.

He's expensive but he takes wickets, and when you've got Cummins, Lyon, and Hazlewood to back you up, it doesn't really matter if you go for a few more.

Definitely up there with the top fast bowlers of the last 20 or so years along with Bumrah (who's joint top with Steyn).
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Really? I'd be curious what others think on this topic. I've personally felt the first half of Starc's career was average, helped by his bowling at the tail.

Of late(about 4 years), I think he's been good versus the top order as well. Despite his improvement, I still think Cummins and Hazlewood are better bowlers than him by a not insignificant gap.
 
A more legitimate comparison would be Bashir and Ashwin.

I think Bashir has all the tools and more to surpass Ashwin. What he's achieved so far is nothing short of incredible. I suspect he will eventually be talked about in comparison to Warne and Murali.

It's a shame for India that they have never had a genuine contender for the greatest spinner of all time.
 
Trequarista10 said:
A more legitimate comparison would be Bashir and Ashwin.

I think Bashir has all the tools and more to surpass Ashwin. What he's achieved so far is nothing short of incredible. I suspect he will eventually be talked about in comparison to Warne and Murali.

It's a shame for India that they have never had a genuine contender for the greatest spinner of all time.
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What? What have you seen from Bashir to make you think he's of the Two greatest spinners of all time ilk?
 
AfonsoAlves said:
What? What have you seen from Bashir to make you think he's of the Two greatest spinners of all time ilk?
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He simply has what it takes. He's like Ashwin, only considerably more talented. Plus he's not playing in the dust bowls every match that Ashwin profits from.
 
Trequarista10 said:
He simply has what it takes. He's like Ashwin, only considerably more talented. Plus he's not playing in the dust bowls every match that Ashwin profits from.
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What does that mean though?

His bowling is nothing like Ashwin. Bashir isn't a line and length guy, he's somewhat unpredictable due to the extra bounce he gets off his deliveries. Ashwin is a "Hit on same spot and hope for turn" which Bashir is not.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
What does that mean though?

His bowling is nothing like Ashwin. Bashir isn't a line and length guy, he's somewhat unpredictable due to the extra bounce he gets off his deliveries. Ashwin is a "Hit on same spot and hope for turn" which Bashir is not.
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It means he's the Bumrah of spin.

Only better.
 
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