Also not sure where the not being able to run 2’s is coming from. He was running fine in the tests and was chasing balls to the boundary all the time
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The Lords innings is a great example. In peak condition do you think Stokes is going for the boundary options against the slope when Cummins got them to bowl wider or do you think he’d push the gaps and spread out field for 2’s? Running is one thing, running hard and turning hard is another thing.
I personally think we should prioritise getting him fit. Sorting out whatever the injury is properly instead of running him into the ground and ignoring the problem. When has ignoring a problem ever been good in the long run?
Ben Stokes as a package is far more compelling when he's running in bowling those short bursts where he is capable of big wickets in addition to batting and fielding. He's a very good batsman and captain but being in the game in all areas is where he's really valuable because he will find a way to make an impact somewhere even if he's having an off day with the bat. He averages 30 odd not 50 with the bat. It is situational performance and an ability to impact all areas that is his real calling card so I think we should be looking to get his bowling back into the game. Can't see how we'll do that if we keep delaying.
Ben Stokes as a package is far more compelling when he's running in bowling those short bursts where he is capable of big wickets in addition to batting and fielding. He's a very good batsman and captain but being in the game in all areas is where he's really valuable because he will find a way to make an impact somewhere even if he's having an off day with the bat. He averages 30 odd not 50 with the bat. It is situational performance and an ability to impact all areas that is his real calling card so I think we should be looking to get his bowling back into the game. Can't see how we'll do that if we keep delaying.
When Stokes retired from one-day cricket it was part of him trying to recover from his mental health issues as he was finding playing in 3 formats too much. I'm doubtful he will come back and risk both that and injury after he put so much emphasis on concentrating on tests.
Stokes has it all figured out
Hales reflected on his career with pride, saying on Instagram: “It has been an absolute privilege to have represented my country on 156 occasions across all three formats. I’ve made some memories and some friendships to last a lifetime and I feel that now is the right time to move on.
“Throughout my time in an England shirt I’ve experienced some of the highest highs as well as some of the lowest lows. It’s been an incredible journey and I feel very content that my last game for England was winning a World Cup final.
Throughout the ups and downs I’ve always felt a huge amount of support from my friends, family and undoubtedly the best fans in world cricket.
And some times both happened at the same time..
Don't think we're ever going to hear the end of this one. And apparently England whinges more..
God I hope we knock them out with a dodgy penalty.
Stokes was always going to come back. He 'retired' to not play friendlies.
Yeah, was always likely... Who doesn't want to play in the World Cup?
Easy to rag on the Hundred, but this was a super fun game.
That happened when Spirit needed 8 off 2, so if he hadn't saved the six Oval would have most likely lost.
Stunned that they dropped Brook from the squad
And Jason Roy still in?
will be interesting to see how they do in a sport when retaining isn’t an option.
Gus Atkinson makes the squad despite only playing two 50 over games in his career.
It's really harsh on Brook but with Stokes coming back he's probably the only option to leave out because they'll need Livingstone's bowling. Maybe his poor IPL counted against him too.
Looking forward to seeing John Turner get a chance in the T20s, he was superb throughout the Blast and can hit 90mph.
Looking forward to seeing John Turner get a chance in the T20s, he was superb throughout the Blast and can hit 90mph.
He's been doing really well in the blast and the 100 and with their unlikely to be swing in India, bowling with that extra yard of pace will be important.
Happy to announce I am now in fact an England selector.
Fascinated by how they selected for this tournament. Reckon Brook got bumped because of his poor return in the IPL.
https://x.com/mroller98/status/1691837653270880313?s=46&t=GNj8QSxKxM_pv7nv4TCn7A
Think this has a lot of answers. They really want a lot of options with bat & ball and unfortunately Brook didn’t tick the boxes
Didn’t fancy his dibbly dobblers then?
I hope England open with Malan and bat Root at 3, leaving Roy as the reserve. At first I thought Roy should have been dropped instead of Brook but I suppose it's preferable to have another opener in the squad (although I'd argue Root or Buttler could comfortably open in ODIs if needed, and probably Stokes or Brook too).
For me team should be:
Bairstow
Malan
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Curran
Ali
Woakes
Willey
Wood
Rashid
Roy as backup batsmen.
Livingstone an option if going 3 spinners, or possibly as a top order batsmen if he bats himself into the side.
Topley alternating with Wood/Willey/Woakes and playing a fair bit, but I would have as 4th choice on paper just because the others can bat a bit better.
Atkinson as a wildcard pace option who will get a game or two.
I think there's a lot of pressure on Curran with the bat. He may be coming in with 20, 30 overs left in the innings and need to try and bat through. From memory I can't remember seeing him do that for England in white ball, although he has done it for Surrey, and had blistering shorter knocks in franchise stuff
For me team should be:
Bairstow
Malan
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Curran
Ali
Woakes
Willey
Wood
Rashid
Roy as backup batsmen.
Livingstone an option if going 3 spinners, or possibly as a top order batsmen if he bats himself into the side.
Topley alternating with Wood/Willey/Woakes and playing a fair bit, but I would have as 4th choice on paper just because the others can bat a bit better.
Atkinson as a wildcard pace option who will get a game or two.
I think there's a lot of pressure on Curran with the bat. He may be coming in with 20, 30 overs left in the innings and need to try and bat through. From memory I can't remember seeing him do that for England in white ball, although he has done it for Surrey, and had blistering shorter knocks in franchise stuff
Ali said he's retired again hasn't he?
From Tests. The lineup I posted is the 15 man squad for the ODIs.
I really like David Willey but I'm honestly picking either Atkinson or Livingstone over him almost every time. I'd also be tempted to go with Salt over Ali.
Ali is in the side as an all rounder. I know Salt had an amazing innings yesterday but I don't think he has done enough to justify a call up to the ODI team.
This would be the side I reckon they go with.
Bairstow
Roy
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Livingstone
Ali
Woakes
Wood
Rashid
Topley
Not sure where I rate Sam Curran as an ODI bowler but I think Topley just gives more firepower if fit. I wouldn't have Willey in the 15 and more just a travelling reserve in case one of those 2 get injured.
I could be on board with that except Roy has no business being in that side ahead of Curran, Salt or Jacks. And 3 quicks, only one of whom is express, isn't ideal if Stokes can't bowl. Might get away with it in India though I suppose, particularly as Rashid is a world class spinner.
I agree about Roy but he has done ok in ODI's of late but I would have picked Jacks or Brook over him. There's a solid case for Malan given he has scored 4 centuries in 4 continents over the past year or so.
The fact that it's in India is part of the reason why England will go with Livingstone and Ali, otherwise Curran would be ahead of one of them for me.
Yeah Willey is the weak link in my earlier lineup. I'd probably go for Tongue actually as he's been in good form for a couple years, I just get irrationally worried about bowlers who can't bat in ODIs. Not seen anything of Atkinson but hope he gets a couple games early on to make an impression.
Livingstone may be one who it depends on conditions. If its not overly spin friendly I can see him being the easy one for the coach to drop instead of Moeen (a fairwell World Cup), but if conditions prompt us to play 3 spinners then having Livingstone, Ali and Curran batting at 6/7/8 makes that batting lineup pretty intimidating for any opposition side.
Harry brook 105 off of 42. How on earth is he not in that limited overs squad
Outrageous. You just knew that last 5 was being sent to the boundary each time.Harry brook 105 off of 42. How on earth is he not in that limited overs squad
It really is ridiculous that Livingstone for his ability to give you 3 overs is going to the World Cup over Brook
Yup. He’s a special player.
It really depends, England need 10 overs from Moeen, Livingstone and possibly Root. They can't rely on any of them to bowl 10 overs on their own but having them in allows the flexibility.
Personally I would have had Brook over Roy. Or do you even need Willey in the squad given you have Curran and Topley.
I understand the 10 over situation but you also need batting at 6 from one of those guys. Livingstone has looked miserably out of touch in the hundred. I think it will come down to the NZ series. If Livingstone fails miserably then he will probably struggle to make it
At the end of the day if we go by form on the Hundred, Roy hasn’t looked all that good either and Malan can’t even make the Trent Rockets side!
It’s because the WC is in India that England are understandably trying to fit in both Livingstone and Moeen to share the 2nd spinner duty as they can’t trust them to do it on their own.
The camera work on sky has been so bad this summer. Can barely keep track of where big hits go
Mad isn’t it. Clearly been the same issue all through the ashes and the hundred.
Class performance by England. Just can’t imagine how you can go to the World Cup without Brook