As a fan I have no interest in it at all. Feels too artificial. I wasn't sold on T20 when it first began but it grew on me and I like watching now. However this WTC and the Hundred I don't think will ever appeal to me.
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The fairer comparison would be to compare to how English commentators reacted to that incident rather than fans in the ground. Most were pretty moderate and either said it was fair game or that they would have liked a warning first given no advantage was being taken.
If roles were reversed at the Oval then for sure the narrative on the ball change from the “neutral”/Aus fan perspective would be that these things happen, there were examples that went the other way in earlier tests, and that it wasn’t the deciding factor and we bazballed our way to a batting collapse having been 238-3
He reads the caf
The real issue here is with over rates though. Both teams were awful this series and the punishments should impact games rather than points in the WTC. It isn't great for cricket when crowds are losing 20 overs a day because of teams not caring about it.
There's a point about spin friendly areas vs seamers or fast bowlers and the over rates should be guided by that.
There's a point about spin friendly areas vs seamers or fast bowlers and the over rates should be guided by that.
England behind Windies who only have points for avoiding a whitewash because of rain
Does anyone really care about this though? It's nice to be top of the pops but much more interested in the 1 v 1 aspect of individual tests. Especially when you can end up with tables that are so obviously BS as the above.
To be honest if games are exciting and get results over rates don’t even cross my mind, it’s when they’re slow and try to play out draws it winds me up
True, but it is all linked though. It's less of an issue with Bazball as the games tend to be over quicker but for most teams losing 80+ overs over a 5 day test means there's less likely to be a result. There's also the situations where teams deliberately slow everything down to go for a draw when they're behind as you say, and the only way to solve that is to force a number of overs in a day.
Edit - there is an issue with just blaming the bowling team though. Australia in the penultimate test were deliberately taking an age to get to the crease playing for a draw.
England would have got more WTC points for that series If we had lost 4-1 but bowled 15 overs an hour
That's my view especially if I am a spectator. What Australia did when they waited 3 minutes to bowl a ball to avoid batting again at the end of Day 3 was a lot worse than missing a few overs across the day.
I do think there should be punishments but fines for players should be enough.
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Everyone moans though.
Australia went absolutely ballistic about Broad not walking that time and were still moaning about it years after it happened. Even though almost nobody walks and there's ample evidence of Australians not walking.
It's just how it is. Australia whinge just as much as England do.
You should add having to bowl spinners in the 4th test because an umpire wearing sunglasses decides there isn't enough lighting for the fast bowlers.Gonna give you Englands 'bad luck' (it isn't - it just happens in a 5 test series to both teams):
- Leach out of the series
- Ali comes in, can't bowl in a 4th innings run chase due to injury on a turning deck. Again struggles to bat and bowl in the 5th test with it turning.
- Wood not fit until the 3rd test.
- Robinson injured mid game, missed 90% of first innings and all of the second.
- Pope also gets injured mid game. Misses the remainder of the series.
- Crawley and Duckett having to bat in the dark for a 20 minute spell during a tense run chase. Both get out leaving us 24-2 as the monsoons open. We go on to lose in a tight thriller.
- Stokes on one leg, barely bowls.
- OT losing 5 sessions with England the only possible winner.
I think the ball change in the final test might be my new fave whinge though. Literally happens in every test match and the fecknig screenshot is of the shiny side of the changed ball as opposed to the rough side of the previous
Probably more so especially as they whinge about whinging.
Knee.
Knee op.
I don't think that 10/11 ashes gets spoke about enough its always 2005. England mauled Australia.
I was there on boxing day, we were all out there for my Uncles 50th. We talk about it plenty
Yeah.
Which test was that? Cook or KPs double hundred?I was there on boxing day, we were all out there for my Uncles 50th. We talk about it plenty
Edit neither,.that was trotts test
Mainly remembered for rolling them for about 98 on day one, and finishing it 150/0.
MCG was empty bar the 10/15k Brits.
My overriding memory of that series is Tremlett bowling superbly
You seen the size of the geezer now?
Probably because it was against one of the worst Aussie squads in modern times. Ponting was washed up. Watson and Johnson were class on their day but both inconsistent. Hussey was probably their only real world class cricketer at the time.
2005 was against one of the best squads they've had.
It was one of their poorest in the last two decades definetly.
That England squad would likely have beat pretty much anyone though. Best we've ever had.
It would have probably been England's best ever though I'd say.
What started this was piers Morgan picking a combined 05 and 23 team when I think that England team that went to Australia was better than both.
Yea beat me to it
Mine was cook but in fairness he's my favourite England player
Was going to attempt a world 11 of my lifetime (born 1990 onyl remember bits of athertons career so what late 90s early 2000s), slotting their players in at the favourite position (eg i couldn't slide root in at 3 because he clearly favours 4) and I couldn't settle on openers so packed it in.
I think the thing about Tremlett was I probably didn't expect it, those Aussies pitches really suited his bowling. Cook was also a monster that series 766 runs was unreal
That's an impossible task + when picking such a team you need to consider where it's playing, if it was Australia I'm not sure I'd pick Jimmy, in England he's the first bowler down!
Jimmy was class in Australia the one time we remotely competed down there.
I was born in 81' picking the bowlers would be the hardest thing imo for me so many greats, there is only one bowler I'd 100% pick without any deliberation and thats Warne, but the quicks oh boy Walsh, Ambrose, Mcgrath, Donald etc etc good lord
It's totally is. There's probably only 3 names I think are 100 percent in it. Kallis is your all rounder, mcgrath and then warne. muralitharan is also a shoe in if its a spinning wicket
I remember Walshs slower bowl that thorpe ducked thinking it was a Bouncer and it landed on his shin.....lbw
Genius
Best England XI this century?
Cook
Trescothick
Trott
Root
KP
Stokes
Flintoff
Prior
Swann
Broad
Anderson
Second opener is debatable. Trott or another front line seamer (Hoggard/Harmison/Woakes)?
The primadonnas Joe "can't bat at 3" Root and Ben "can't bowl" Stokes causing imbalance. One of them have to give over or get the feck out of my team.
Cook
Trescothick
Trott
Root
KP
Stokes
Flintoff
Prior
Swann
Broad
Anderson
Second opener is debatable. Trott or another front line seamer (Hoggard/Harmison/Woakes)?
The primadonnas Joe "can't bat at 3" Root and Ben "can't bowl" Stokes causing imbalance. One of them have to give over or get the feck out of my team.
The ICC’s solution to over rates being that they kill the sporting integrity of their tournament is so on brand. I spent the final test watching Australia waste 3-4 minutes at the end of Day 3 to make sure they couldn’t bat an over but apparently they got all the overs in for the final test .
The only way to clamp down on it in tests is to introduce in-games penalties. I’ve been musing about a timer for each delivery and if they time out they get penalised or alternatively they add the overs short at the end of the day and multiply by the run rate and add it to the score as extras. I’m not a fan of penalising in this way but I’m convinced it’s the only way to get players to pull their fingers out. They can get 96 overs in a day in county cricket so there’s no reason they can’t get 90 in during tests.
.The only way to clamp down on it in tests is to introduce in-games penalties. I’ve been musing about a timer for each delivery and if they time out they get penalised or alternatively they add the overs short at the end of the day and multiply by the run rate and add it to the score as extras. I’m not a fan of penalising in this way but I’m convinced it’s the only way to get players to pull their fingers out. They can get 96 overs in a day in county cricket so there’s no reason they can’t get 90 in during tests.
I’ve also just found out they announced the over rate penalties and changed their mind about fining players so heavily in the middle of the series. Just top quality stuff from the boys at the ICC.