English cricket thread

Hands down, Eoin Morgan is one of the greats of English cricket and of cricket in general.

Absolute gentleman as well and a selfless player who never played for personal milestones.

He not only transformed the England team but he also provided a blueprint and model for success that has raised ODI standards internationally.

It's a slight shame that this has been leaked, rather than Eoin announcing this himself.
 
Utd heap said:
82mph, nips it off the seam and a bit of swing.

Not much use in India and Australia etc...

Looks like a new Chris Woakes to me, been really impressive admittedly but the usual concerns are there.
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I think that's a fair concern, but if you look at Anderson's record about 400 of his wickets are at home. So it's pretty important to replace what Broad and Anderson can do in home conditions as well as finding some pace for away challenges. Admittedly finding the pace is the tricky bit..
 
Abraxas said:
I think that's a fair concern, but if you look at Anderson's record about 400 of his wickets are at home. So it's pretty important to replace what Broad and Anderson can do in home conditions as well as finding some pace for away challenges. Admittedly finding the pace is the tricky bit..
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We have plenty who can do it, they just all happen to be injured right now
 
Abraxas said:
I think that's a fair concern, but if you look at Anderson's record about 400 of his wickets are at home. So it's pretty important to replace what Broad and Anderson can do in home conditions as well as finding some pace for away challenges. Admittedly finding the pace is the tricky bit..
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phelans shorts said:
We have plenty who can do it, they just all happen to be injured right now
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It's also been a selection issue in the past. We'd have 80mph bowlers do well in English conditions, and then pick them overseas and they'd inevitably struggle. We need to have the balls to pick certain bowlers at home, and certain bowlers overseas, and then drop them for conditions that don't suit even if they have done really well in conditions that did suit. Also means dropping big names for players with less experience/worse averages overall. There's Wood, Archer, Stone, Jamie Overton and Carse who are all pretty quick, and probably a couple more in the CC I'm not aware of.
 
I see that Parkinson has missed the last couple of Lancashire games with injury, any idea what it is? With Rashid not available for the India ODI/T20 series I imagine he'll get an opportunity there if he's fit.
 
phelans shorts said:
We have plenty who can do it, they just all happen to be injured right now
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Indeed, Stone, Wood, Archer etc - but they have to be capable of selection. No good saying we have this stock of fast bowlers for Australia that never make it there.
 
Utd heap said:
82mph, nips it off the seam and a bit of swing.

Not much use in India and Australia etc...

Looks like a new Chris Woakes to me, been really impressive admittedly but the usual concerns are there.
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I like Potts, very accurate and the ball seems to get a bit of extra zip off the deck compared to some guys at about the same pace. I actually think he'd do ok in Australia because of that. Line and length got Glenn McGrath a long way when the ball wasn't swinging as an example. Ok he was a bit quicker in his youth but he was only around 80mph towards the end and still picked up plenty of scalps.
 
TwoSheds said:
I like Potts, very accurate and the ball seems to get a bit of extra zip off the deck compared to some guys at about the same pace. I actually think he'd do ok in Australia because of that. Line and length got Glenn McGrath a long way when the ball wasn't swinging as an example. Ok he was a bit quicker in his youth but he was only around 80mph towards the end and still picked up plenty of scalps.
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I think it's telling that we have to reference Mcgrath and Anderson when we talk about that pace bracket being good enough. They're two of the most skillful seam bowlers we have ever seen.
 
Utd heap said:
I think it's telling that we have to reference Mcgrath and Anderson when we talk about that pace bracket being good enough. They're two of the most skillful seam bowlers we have ever seen.
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Right...but it also means you can't rule out Potts being in that bracket until you see him try. It would be fair to rule out Woakes as being that guy but I'm not sure it would be fair to Potts from what I've seen.
 
There will be days when the tactics don't work, and there will be some spectacular collapses. But what this team will have, regardless of opponent, is a psychological edge over chases being set. As an opposing captain, you're going to want to set England mammoth targets just in case.
 
Johnny Bairstow 71 not out (44) 161 SR. :eek:

296 off 54 overs in the fourth innings. :eek::wenger:

On a more critical note, NZ should have selected their specialist spinner for this match. Might have made it moderately more interesting.

Plaudits go to England though. Another barnstorming performance and again a test match finishing on the fifth day. Fitting that it should finish with another huge Bairstow six, and at Headingley to boot.

Credit to New Zealand for playing their part, especially Mitchell, Blundell, and Boult, and for the general spirit the series was played in by both teams. New Zealand will feel very disappointed though, especially with the manner of this defeat.
 
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Why didnt Bairstow let Root get to his 100? You'd think he would slow down a bit.. they had plenty of time.
 
prateik said:
Why didnt Bairstow let Root get to his 100? You'd think he would slow down a bit.. they had plenty of time.
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he’s a well known cock block on nights out too. stokesy reckons he could have racked up 1,000 plus right now but his strike rate is around 27 and that’s mainly due to bairstow.
 
Really impressive performances from England, the switch in the mentality with the bat has been so good to see.

The series was fun to watch, credit to both teams.
 
Bairstow didn't get the award?! I'm guessing they gave it to Leach did they? Ludicrous for me, Bairstow was a one man wrecking ball and Leach only bowled ok in the first innings despite somehow getting 5 wickets.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Anyone have a subscription?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-inexcusable-tms-role-at-headingley-m9psv75h3

I thought Vaughan's commentary on TMS was dreadful. The number of times he projects what's going to happen over the next 2 days only for the whole team getting out in the next session. You're supposed to be there for expert insight, not fantasy made up bollocks predictions.
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There’s one thing I noticed, and it genuinely left me gobsmacked. BBC TV opened with Aatif Nawaz talking about Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire on day one, then when the highlights started airing, there’s Vaughan. Totally ignoring the fact he was one of the few perpetrators outright named in the Yorkshire scandal. I don’t have a subscription but I wouldn’t be shocked if it was related to that.

Him being brought back into the coverage fold given there’s three independent witnesses saying that he said it is mind boggling. BBC and BT should be ashamed that they’ve allowed it to happen.
 
Morgan has been a brilliant player for England & was integral to their change in attitude & success in white ball cricket.

Fair play to recognise his form wasn’t good heading into the WC & making the decision to retire now rather than play through the bad form.
 
yeah fair play to him for putting the team first. i’d imagine he’ll tumble down the record books as more and more limited overs cricket is played but i doubt any of the ones that end up above him will have quite the same lasting impact on english cricket.
 
A small part of his legacy -- it's forgotten how when Morgan first started, he was one of the first modern cricketers of T20 with his reverse sweeps.
 
Guys, anyone got a good stream for the game tomorrow? Tried the one that DOTA gave me but doesn't seem to work on my machine unfortunately.
 
missing our two best batters of the last summer — but still think we can do this, would love it if we win this.
 
Should be a good test match. England on a high, but you have to think India are still the more well rounded team.

If they can post 300+ first up I fancy them.
 
Stokes and McCullum like bowling first then, then treat the 4th innings like and ODI and chase down what ever the opposition post.
 
Dan_F said:
What’s with the 10.30 start. Missed the first half hour.
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Indian TV audience mainly I think. But the ECB also chucked in not clashing with tonight's T20's, but they didn't care about that last week :lol:
 
good wicket to get before the rain delay. nice to have them three down already.
 
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