England for all the hype are such a poor test team. And it is strange considering they have good amount of talent in their squad. Maybe white ball cricket is being prioritized and red ball cricket is being sacrificed. Hopefully they bounce back as Test cricket needs a strong English side.
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Their ex players and some of their fans in social media make them look like worldbeaters when they have had a poor year in test matches.For all the hype!?
What hype
Can't say ive seen any of that. If you're talking major figureheads of English Cricket they are going to talk optimistically but 99% of Cricket people I know went into this thinking we were going to get spanked.
Bringing Leach on released pressure England had sweated blood to build up.
Would Root have fared worse by bowling himself there? He could just have picked Stuart Broad and bowled a few overs if needed.
The thing is that Jack getting annihilated there was really predictable. You need a wrist spinner or a Graeme Swann or a Monty Panesar bare minimum to operate on Australian pitches. Jack is nowhere near that level.
The errors that Root makes as captain are so basic. Batting first on a green-top, picking Leach, 'Resting' Broad while Australia select FOUR left handers, continuing to bowl Leach when he's getting slaughtered, etc. Would Jos be as bad as this? Would Burns, Stokes?
Would Root have fared worse by bowling himself there? He could just have picked Stuart Broad and bowled a few overs if needed.
The thing is that Jack getting annihilated there was really predictable. You need a wrist spinner or a Graeme Swann or a Monty Panesar bare minimum to operate on Australian pitches. Jack is nowhere near that level.
The errors that Root makes as captain are so basic. Batting first on a green-top, picking Leach, 'Resting' Broad while Australia select FOUR left handers, continuing to bowl Leach when he's getting slaughtered, etc. Would Jos be as bad as this? Would Burns, Stokes?
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Yeah red ball cricket has been pretty garbage since we became utterly obsessed about winning the World Cup
Yeah Root needs to be removed as captain and Silverwood sacked as well. Could also throw in bringing back Strauss as Director too.
With their being 2 day/night tests those 2 matches could be the best ones to have Anderson and Broad in.
5th test being in Tassie should suit the poms
Burns drops Warner. Looked easier to catch it.
Oh no. Oh dear God no.
Rory Burns has put down an absolute dolly.
Rory Burns has put down an absolute dolly.
Why does Marnus seem to leave balls in a weird way like a tail ender?. seems so odd.
Too late by the fourth let alone fifth test
Smith was very very dodgy in this innings.
Wood gets rid of Smith.
Hameed panicked there.
Robinson takes 2 in 2. Australia rocking on 195-5, roughly 50 runs ahead, with Head and Carey fresh to the crease.
England have a chance here.
England have a chance here.
Unfortunately we haven't got that ruthlessness to build on those wickets
So true. Have lost count of the times we've had Australia in a bit of a pickle and then someone like Haddin has come in and puts on 100+ runs, usually in a hurry.
It's a question of attitude and who wants it more. We just bottle it.
Jack Leach has been destroyed today.
Got any examples of that as they have never been worldbeaters. They have been poor in test cricket for a while?
Usual Aussie tactic. They always say they try to bat a bowler out of the attack and they usually go after the spinner if he’s not good enough. Mistake to pick him instead of Broad especially given the wicket and that Root can bowl if needed.
Same happened to him in India with Pant taking him to the cleaners.
Unsurprising. He's a distinctly average at best spinner at international level.
Can't be blamed though - there's no other option who wouldn't get the same treatment, if not worse.
We could pick Rashid and set one day fields and he'd almost certainly do better than 11 overs for 95. I don't think 11 overs for 55 would massively improve things though, so I'm not really advocating it.
We should've picked Broad, obviously.
As a Somerset fan I'm going to be slightly biased I guess but Leach has been treated terribly by this England setup in the last couple of years. He's someone who needs regular bowling to be at his best and he just hasn't had that for the last 2 seasons, especially as someone who plays barely any white-ball matches.
Since that winter of 19/20 when he got sepsis he just hasn't had enough cricket. He's spent 2 years in England bubbles not getting a game, at the start of the county season like most spinners he barely gets bowled due to conditions. When he finally got released back to Somerset last year he then had to miss the next Championship game for Covid reasons.
Obviously here everyone's in the same position of having no practice but it's been pretty much endless for him for a while now. No doubt he'll be an easy target with those figures but the batting and woeful fielding are bigger issues in this side.
Since that winter of 19/20 when he got sepsis he just hasn't had enough cricket. He's spent 2 years in England bubbles not getting a game, at the start of the county season like most spinners he barely gets bowled due to conditions. When he finally got released back to Somerset last year he then had to miss the next Championship game for Covid reasons.
Obviously here everyone's in the same position of having no practice but it's been pretty much endless for him for a while now. No doubt he'll be an easy target with those figures but the batting and woeful fielding are bigger issues in this side.
Don't agree with everything here, but think these are all fair points to raise. It seems England's test match spinners have certainly had some of the worst of it since the pandemic hit. Think of Moeen at this level too.
Last point is spot on though, particularly regarding the batting. No matter how much we complain about bowling options, they're continuously the ones having to bail our batters out. They're given nothing to work with far too often. Makes the decision to bat first here all the more ridiculous.
I think the batting got a bit easier in the afternoon but by that point England were already 5 down. Even Cummins said it was a good toss to lose. Leach was clearly targeted by the Aussies so needs to regain focus. I think England will probably go with 4 seamers for the day/night match anyway.
Yea, he's a terrible captain. And he doesn't look like he learns from his mistakes either.
It's just the third day of the tour and england are already feeling like they don't want to be there.
Declaration cannot come soon enough for England. I half expected Aussies to declare last evening. But this is better strategically, effectively making sure they don't have to bat again.
Declaration cannot come soon enough for England. I half expected Aussies to declare last evening. But this is better strategically, effectively making sure they don't have to bat again.
Head only needs 1 more run to have the same score as England.
Quality comment in the Quardian online match thread.
Does England chase this down or are Aus looking at an innings victory here? Predictions?
Burns with a great referral but looks so out of nick against Starc.
67-2 not looking good
Yep Australia in big trouble we will post 550 from here.
Decent little period of play for England. Root and Malan scoring quite freely as the ball gets older.
102-2.
102-2.
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It’s good to see some fight back from England. I would hate to have to watch a boring 5 test series
It’s on