England v India 2021 Cricket Test Series

They’re just trying to justify selecting Jadeja over Ashwin.

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England going into the final day needing about 280 with 10 wickets in hand is almost the perfect setting for an English win.
 
How come they’re playing till 7? Something to do with being in the last innings?
 
zing said:
Lost overs yesterday.
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Do they normally do that? I thought there has been plenty of times where they hadn’t got in a days worth of overs, but they still finish at 6.30.
 
Dan_F said:
Do they normally do that? I thought there has been plenty of times where they hadn’t got in a days worth of overs, but they still finish at 6.30.
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they do it in different ways in different countries. Some start 30 mins early. I don’t actually remember what England did before.
 
zing said:
they do it in different ways in different countries. Some start 30 mins early. I don’t actually remember what England did before.
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It’s definitely been done like this previously, but I don’t understand the difference between this and playing on past 6.30 when the over rate has been slow. It seems like they can only make up overs if it’s been lost on the previous day, not current.
 
I think this will be a draw. England off to a great start but a few wickets will get India back in, but I can’t see India getting 10.
 
zing said:
I think this will be a draw. England off to a great start but a few wickets will get India back in, but I can’t see India getting 10.
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Agreed, for England to have a chance they need to be a max of 2 or 3 wickets down going into the afternoon or they'll just try and block to stumps.
 
England should have the mindset that this is gettable. India should be thinking a couple of quick wickets & they’ve got a chance. Hopefully we get some good Test drama tomorrow.
 
zing said:
I think this will be a draw. England off to a great start but a few wickets will get India back in, but I can’t see India getting 10.
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Don't think so unless it rains. England will reach the target if they play out the day tomorrow. Root has been scoring quick since being in form whole likes of Bairstow, Ali and Woakes will score at good enough pace for RR to not being an issue. Similar to Gabba, even if they need 60 in last 10 overs, they will chase it easily.
 
India still favourites, but whatever happens it’s going to be a good day. A draw is still going to be exciting, as it will mean England have lost wickets and are hanging on.
 
zing said:
I think this will be a draw. England off to a great start but a few wickets will get India back in, but I can’t see India getting 10.
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I think a draw is the least likely result. England's batting lineup, especially the lower order, are all quick scoring players. They'll not run out of time, but they may run out of wickets.
 
What a great match this is shaping up to be! Just when you think a team is sinking the other they drag themselves back in
 
Just can’t see India taking 10 wickets on this pitch, England will play normally and assess as they go along. They’ve got plenty in the tank to accelerate if necessary but if they lose a few too many wickets the pitch is so dead they’ll just shut up shop. England victory as likely as a draw with India behind.
 
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The one glimmer for us is Umesh and Siraj are used to bowling(and taking wickets) on flat pitches at home. This pitch at the moment is very sub continental
 
This is still very much in India's favour. England have simply given themselves a shout.
 
India still heavy favourites, suspect England will be all out before tea.
 
This thread is hilarious at the moment,both set of fans trying to claim that it’s the others to lose.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
This thread is hilarious at the moment,both set of fans trying to claim that it’s the others to lose.
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Definitely. The best way to look at it is that it’s there to win for both teams, rather than a team losing it. That might change tomorrow if one team gets far ahead of the game and bottles it.

I think England will try and play the same way in the morning, aiming for around 80 runs in the first session with minimal wickets lost, and India should absolutely keep attacking early on without worrying too much about runs.

There’s a really good chance the winner takes the series, as there’s no way we don’t get rain in Manchester, after a 3/4 days of 25 degrees in September.
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
Just can’t see India taking 10 wickets on this pitch, England will play normally and asses as they go along. They’ve got plenty in the tank to accelerate if necessary but if they lose a few too many wickets the pitch is so dead they’ll just shut up shop. England victory as likely as a draw with India behind.
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Typo, or no?
 
I want to see England stick with Burns and Hameed for a while now, whatever their shortcomings I feel like they’re the best we’ve got to open at the moment and it’s worth giving them a run together
 
Snowjoe said:
I want to see England stick with Burns and Hameed for a while now, whatever their shortcomings I feel like they’re the best we’ve got to open at the moment and it’s worth giving them a run together
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Deserve a shot but if things don’t work out in Ashes, they may change. Struggling for options though so hopefully they stick with them and give them a shot.
 
I am surprised to see some saying India are favorites. Not really a difficult ask getting that many runs on such a flat wicket no? I don't see how england are not favorite
 
mav_9me said:
I am surprised to see some saying India are favorites. Not really a difficult ask getting that many runs on such a flat wicket no? I don't see how england are not favorite
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Of all the flat pitches in the world, throughout history, only 9 teams have chased a higher total? The fact that an England team has never chased that figure before speaks volumes.
 
Snowjoe said:
I want to see England stick with Burns and Hameed for a while now, whatever their shortcomings I feel like they’re the best we’ve got to open at the moment and it’s worth giving them a run together
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You would think so, and I agree with you, but I’m almost sure this same thing was said when Hameed made his debut a few years back:lol:
 
I have no idea how, given the first two innings ended by end of day 2, but I actually think a draw is the most likely result.

If India get a couple early wickets, it’ll put pressure on the England batters and tilt the match their way. If however England can close the first session at any run rate with only a wicket lost, they’ll be in a really commanding position to win this thing.

I know there is a lot of stats which will say that chasing this total is very rare, but kind of have to put that aside and consider this pitch on its merits.

In India’s last innings, it basically took two days to take 10 wickets - and at least 4 of those wickets were players who weren’t really trying to protect their wicket but rather score runs quickly.

Which means in the last 7 sessions, only really 6/7 wickets have actually been properly taken. Plus I was at the game yesterday, in that final session from Hameed and Burns, there was virtually no close call, no half chance, barely even an appeal other than a stupid review from Kohli. It’s not like there is things happening which are being missed, or unluckily going past a 2nd slip for example. There is literally nothing.

It’s clearly a flat pitch, the ball isn’t doing anything. So when considering on these factors, I think it’ll be a huge failure if England can’t avoid losing 10 wickets on this final day. I think conversely if India do achieve it, it’ll be impressive. So for me, my starting point is the most likely outcome is 10 wickets DONT get taken. I think that is why an India win is least likely.

Then next question is can England score 290 or whatever it is in a day. I think they can but obviously depends on if they lose any early wickets. I think if England lose any more than 2 wickets in the first session, or 4 by tea, they’ll most likely shut up shop and not go for the win. Any less, though, and with wickets in hand the reality is it’s very easy to chase this 290.
 
rpitroda said:
I have no idea how, given the first two innings ended by end of day 2, but I actually think a draw is the most likely result.

If India get a couple early wickets, it’ll put pressure on the England batters and tilt the match their way. If however England can close the first session at any run rate with only a wicket lost, they’ll be in a really commanding position to win this thing.

I know there is a lot of stats which will say that chasing this total is very rare, but kind of have to put that aside and consider this pitch on its merits.

In India’s last innings, it basically took two days to take 10 wickets - and at least 4 of those wickets were players who weren’t really trying to protect their wicket but rather score runs quickly.

Which means in the last 7 sessions, only really 6/7 wickets have actually been properly taken. Plus I was at the game yesterday, in that final session from Hameed and Burns, there was virtually no close call, no half chance, barely even an appeal other than a stupid review from Kohli. It’s not like there is things happening which are being missed, or unluckily going past a 2nd slip for example. There is literally nothing.

It’s clearly a flat pitch, the ball isn’t doing anything. So when considering on these factors, I think it’ll be a huge failure if England can’t avoid losing 10 wickets on this final day. I think conversely if India do achieve it, it’ll be impressive. So for me, my starting point is the most likely outcome is 10 wickets DONT get taken. I think that is why an India win is least likely.

Then next question is can England score 290 or whatever it is in a day. I think they can but obviously depends on if they lose any early wickets. I think if England lose any more than 2 wickets in the first session, or 4 by tea, they’ll most likely shut up shop and not go for the win. Any less, though, and with wickets in hand the reality is it’s very easy to chase this 290.
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Good summary.
 
iKnowNothing said:
Aren’t Ravi Shastri and a couple of others quarantining? How much will that affect the team?
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I’m sure they can connect to the dressing room via video call. Not sure it’ll have too much of an effect. Maybe if India were batting the presence in the dressing room would be missed.
 
If only India had a world class spinner available for selection who could take advantage of a day 5 Oval deck...
 
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