England v Australia - Second Ashes Test - Lord's

Spoony! said:
With two days left the Aussies will probably be 500 behind, giving England enough time and runs to bowl them out. The worry would've been, the Aussies getting 450+ after following on, leaving England chasing 200+ on the last day. So, it's the logical decision.
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Bollocks it's logical. Half a days rain and you've got a day and a half to bowl out Australia on what may very well be a flat track if today is anything to go by

So what if they make that unlikely monster score. England have to knock off a couple of hundred to win to take a match against Australia? That's a wonderful position to be in! And that's worst case n all

The logical decision is to finish off an opponent when they're down. All we're achieving is bringing the possibility of a draw further into the equation
 
Brad said:
Bollocks it's logical. Half a days rain and you've got a day and a half to bowl out Australia on what may very well be a flat track if today is anything to go by

So what if they make that unlikely monster score. England have to knock off a couple of hundred to win to take a match against Australia? That's a wonderful position to be in! And that's worst case n all

The logical decision is to finish off an opponent when they're down. All we're achieving is bringing the possibility of a draw further into the equation
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England have raced to 50 runs. The pitch is good. Trust me, Brad, I know what I'm talking about. Logic over emotions.


That said, I would've asked them to follow on.
 
Spoony! said:
England have raced to 50 runs. The pitch is good. Trust me, Brad, I know what I'm talking about. Logic over emotions.


That said, I would've asked them to follow on.
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This wasn't the logical decision. What if the pitch stays good and we get a bit of rain, hardly fecking unlikely is it?

Need I remind you of what happened in February...

3rd test vs West Indies, Feb 2009

England 566-9 dec

West Indies 285

NO feckING FOLLOW ON

England 221-8 dec

370 for 9 MATCH DRAWN

Good to see we learn from our mistakes :wenger:
 
Brad said:
This wasn't the logical decision. What if the pitch stays good and we get a bit of rain, hardly fecking unlikely is it?

Need I remind you of what happened in February...

3rd test vs West Indies, Feb 2009

England 566-9 dec

West Indies 285

NO feckING FOLLOW ON

England 221-8 dec

370 for 9 MATCH DRAWN

Good to see we learn from our mistakes :wenger:
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since 2001 follow enforced by england twice at lords both drawn
 
I can perhaps see why England wanted not to follow on...

I mean, you'd rather want the Aussies to play on a 4th or 5th day pitch surely then take a chance right now..

Other factor is that, they had been bowling for a good while and fatigue would have definitely set in. You'd rather have fresh bowlers bowling at the Aussies..

I think?
 
Brad said:
This wasn't the logical decision. What if the pitch stays good and we get a bit of rain, hardly fecking unlikely is it?

Need I remind you of what happened in February...

3rd test vs West Indies, Feb 2009

England 566-9 dec

West Indies 285

NO feckING FOLLOW ON

England 221-8 dec

370 for 9 MATCH DRAWN

Good to see we learn from our mistakes :wenger:
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The pitch has always been good, it's the weather conditions that are making the difference for the bowlers. Pointless letting the Aussies back in to rack up easy runs only to have to chase 200-300 on the last day with overcast skies and a swinging ball. Brad in pretending to be more of an expert than he really is shocker :rolleyes:
 
samabachan said:
The pitch has always been good, it's the weather conditions that are making the difference for the bowlers. Pointless letting the Aussies back in to rack up easy runs only to have to chase 200-300 on the last day with overcast skies and a swinging ball. Brad in pretending to be more of an expert than he really is shocker :rolleyes:
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Sam being a cock yet again shocker

Here's the weather forecast:

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We have the Aussies over 200 runs behind having played an innings each early on day three. Time after today may be limited, so go for the fecking kill

I was bleating like this after the Windies declaration, every one told me I was worrying over nothing and that was the correct decision, and look what fecking happened there :rolleyes:

We had a better chance of beating Australia be enforcing the follow on, however good conditions may be for batting right now. Very short term view and one that might well cost us victory
 
The Aussies would have done exactly what we are doing now, racking up easy runs on a flat slow pitch in conditions offering nothing to the bowler, would probably have put us in in overcast conditions on Monday to chase 150/200 in a session or two with a swinging ball and we could have quite easily lost the match. Conditions are ideal for batting now and for the rest of the day, but will be much better for bowling tomrrow and Monday. It's the logical decision to put ourselves back in.

Oh , and if you want follow on precedents, try this: the last 2 times England have enforced the follow on at Lord's, the game has ended in a draw in the third innings, a damn sight different from being one wicket short on the last day in the West Indies. I will be more than happy to dredge the scorecards up of cricinfo if you don't believe me.
 
Afternoon chaps, and what a nice one it is at the minute. :) Seemingly ideal for our purposes.

Strauss here is going to have Antigua at the back of his mind you think, don't need a repeat of that.
 
samabachan said:
The Aussies would have done exactly what we are doing now
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Ian Chappell: "I know the difference it made in the Australian dressing room; we were thinking that now we have got the chance to save the game. Whereas when we were expecting the follow on to be enforced, it was a dressing room that was quite deflated. Psychologically, I think England have got to enforce the follow on"

Conditions might not be ideal for wicket taking now, but with the prospect of rain, it's pointless batting for runs that might be entirely unnecessary

I think it was a mistake. Hopefully it doesn't cost us

I'll take your last two unsuccessful follow on stat, and raise you a 75 year unbeaten streak for the Aussies at Lords. We should have dug the knife in when they were down
 
Freddie's in a spot of difficulty apparently, don't know if you've already raised that side of things or not.
 
An unbeaten streak is totally irrelevant, as each game is different, each test is different, each team is different and each must be played on merit. Recent precedent dictates that making other teams follow on at Lord's is a big mistake. And also, since when do you ever hear Aussies whingeing about what a stupid decision something was? Of course they are going to big it up and try to claim that England made a mistake, it's what Aussies always do.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Freddie's in a spot of difficulty apparently, don't know if you've already raised that side of things or not.
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Where did you hear that? Not good if true :nervous:. Looks pretty chirpy on the balcony though, for what it's worth. Also another good reason to bat today - gives Freddie a bit of a rest with his knee and Pietersen a rest with his achilles.
 
samabachan said:
An unbeaten streak is totally irrelevant, as each game is different, each test is different, each team is different and each must be played on merit. Recent precedent dictates that making other teams follow on at Lord's is a big mistake. And also, since when do you ever hear Aussies whingeing about what a stupid decision something was? Of course they are going to big it up and try to claim that England made a mistake, it's what Aussies always do.
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I've just been told Botham is saying the same as me

Is he pretending to be more of an expert than he really is too? :smirk:

The most recent precedent is that last time we neglected to enforce the follow on, for a game that was all but in the bag, we fecked it up royal and drew the test. It was a mere matter of months ago, why do we not fecking learn from our mistakes?!
 
Very negative decision by Strauss not to enforce the follow-on.
 
samabachan said:
Where did you hear that? Not good if true :nervous:. Looks pretty chirpy on the balcony though, for what it's worth. Also another good reason to bat today - gives Freddie a bit of a rest with his knee and Pietersen a rest with his achilles.
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tuffers on tms says freddie is a bit tender today
 
Brad said:
I've just been told Botham is saying the same as me

Is he pretending to be more of an expert than he really is too? :smirk:

The most recent precedent is that last time we neglected to enforce the follow on, for a game that was all but in the bag, we fecked it up royal and drew the test. It was a mere matter of months ago, why do we not fecking learn from our mistakes?!
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We were a wicket away, on a totally flat pitch, facing two of the best and most in form batsmen in the world at the moment (Chanderpaul and Sarwan) despite missing chunks of play for rain and finishing early for bad light, if I remember right. Hardly massive disaster. Last time we made the saffers follow-on at Lord's, they made around 400-3 in their second innings. Sri lanka did something similar a few years previous.
 
samabachan said:
We were a wicket away, on a totally flat pitch, facing two of the best and most in form batsmen in the world at the moment (Chanderpaul and Sarwan) despite missing chunks of play for rain and finishing early for bad light, if I remember right. Hardly massive disaster. Last time we made the saffers follow-on at Lord's, they made around 400-3 in their second innings. Sri lanka did something similar a few years previous.
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Well said.
 
samabachan said:
Where did you hear that? Not good if true :nervous:. Looks pretty chirpy on the balcony though, for what it's worth. Also another good reason to bat today - gives Freddie a bit of a rest with his knee and Pietersen a rest with his achilles.
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Tuffers just said so on TMS, apparently he's feeling his injury today and that's why he wasn't used in the attack like people expected earlier.
 
samabachan said:
We were a wicket away, on a totally flat pitch, facing two of the best and most in form batsmen in the world at the moment (Chanderpaul and Sarwan) despite missing chunks of play for rain and finishing early for bad light, if I remember right. Hardly massive disaster. Last time we made the saffers follow-on at Lord's, they made around 400-3 in their second innings. Sri lanka did something similar a few years previous.
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Don't be a tool

If we enforce the follow on, we don't make a load of runs we didn't need and waste time, time which eventually cost us the match because we didn't have long enough to take their final wicket

In winning cricket match terms, having all but wrapped up a test by day three, and yet drawing it come day 5, all because you failed to twist the knife with a simple follow on decision, is a 'massive disaster' as far as I'm concerned

Can't believe you'd even try and defend that situation, it was a complete and utter feck up :nono:
 
Brad said:
The most recent precedent is that last time we neglected to enforce the follow on, for a game that was all but in the bag, we fecked it up royal and drew the test. It was a mere matter of months ago, why do we not fecking learn from our mistakes?!
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Batting for as long as we did that test was equally or more so a factor i thought. We ran out of time/couldn't dislodge Fidel Edwards or in 10 overs or thereabouts. I can remember only too well the inevitability of it. *sigh*
 
Conditions for batting will only be getting worse later today and tomorrow. How can this be a bad thing, for those who are complaining? The better the bowling conditions, the easier for us to skittle them out over the last 2 days. Theoretically at least........
 
we have still got to get the runs on the board first
and pieterson nearly had one of his moments the bad ones that is
 
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