Guessing it’s the heat leading to cramps/spasms.
England Tour of India
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Guessing it’s the heat leading to cramps/spasms.
I’m sure there’s a temporary suspension of the yo yo test, otherwise there’s no way Sarfaraz gets into the squad. Maybe a momo test?
Maybe that's why Kohli's not playing.
This will all be over by the end of tomorrow.
For once more than one our batters converted their starts for most part, hopefully same continues tomorrow. Also we desperately need kl back fit, Patidar shouldn't be anywhere near the test team.
Can't wait for more brilliant predictions from Cook.
Can't wait for more brilliant predictions from Cook.
This is such a flat pitch. Quite incredible that an Indian pitch on 3rd day is acting like this.
Hell of a day for India, awful day for England.
If the first phase of Bazball was to change the culture, the next phase is develop a ruthlessness to put games away when they have the opportunity to do so. It’s massively frustrating to have a top order than can now give platforms for the middle order only for them to decide it’s not scary enough for them to bat properly.
They did the same in the Ashes, the Edgbaston test and even the Oval one, big windows to bat teams out of the game but they let them back in. They will still win doing this but they won’t win as many as they should.
If the first phase of Bazball was to change the culture, the next phase is develop a ruthlessness to put games away when they have the opportunity to do so. It’s massively frustrating to have a top order than can now give platforms for the middle order only for them to decide it’s not scary enough for them to bat properly.
They did the same in the Ashes, the Edgbaston test and even the Oval one, big windows to bat teams out of the game but they let them back in. They will still win doing this but they won’t win as many as they should.
Guess it depends how much India want to set, no pressure for batting too long I think. England will go for anything, even if it’s daft. I’m fairly sure England won’t get to the 2nd new ball whatever they are set.
It's turning a decent amount, is it that flat? A deflated England bowling line up probably isn't a great way to judge it.
Kuldeep was ripping it earlier and Siraj got it reversing.
We might get the funniest part of Bazball shortly.
Instead of Stokes or Baz coming out and saying it was a poor day at the office it will be the cow corner fielding coach saying we still fancy this and 700 is doable.
Instead of Stokes or Baz coming out and saying it was a poor day at the office it will be the cow corner fielding coach saying we still fancy this and 700 is doable.
By Indian standards. I think it is.
And I will be there believing them.
I think Baz’s face when Root got out said it all. Whatever they say in public, Stokes/Root/McCullum have played way too much cricket to not have a good handle on where they went wrong today.
I think that's the drawback of this wonderful approach. Every batsman will eventually get out in test cricket playing shots without making a monster score.
Pope and Duckett made 150+
That's more than most of our full innings efforts on the last tour!
In fairness see the pitches of last tour and this tour (not the first test)
And I meant in terms of tiring the bowlers and batting the other team our of the match. There'll be always be a risk.
The pitch is fine, India are still vey strong and England had a very bad day at the office.
That was awful performance by England. India lost their match winner in ashwin and this was a golden opportunity to command their position in the series but they failed. Root's casual approach screamed arrogance. Bazball is fun but it also has it's share of brainless cricket and today it looked like that.
Can Jaiswal bat again in this test?
It means he is spending way less time in the wicket, while he should be the person to play the Anchorman role. Looking at your team, it feels like everyone bar stokes wants to play bazball.
And I will be there believing them.
I think Baz’s face when Root got out said it all. Whatever they say in public, Stokes/Root/McCullum have played way too much cricket to not have a good handle on where they went wrong today.
Hopefully.
The more I think about it the more annoyed I am getting.
The team needs batsmen who can hold an innings together. If they're all trying to blast off, what we see is it coming off for one or two of them each innings which results in a semi-decent team total, but not enough. Momentum is huge and it is not only giving up their wicket cheaply, but it puts the lower order in a tougher position. 7, 8 and 9 will naturally score more runs if their team are on top and the opposition are on the back foot, save for the occasional counter attacking slog that comes off.
Root is the most obvious one to highlight because his natural game is exactly what we need right now. It's brilliant if he can add things into his game now and then but it should be done when needed at select moments. There's no need to be taking on arguably the best bowler in the world like that, especially when they just lost Ashwin. They could steadily accrue pressure rather than trying to magic it out of nowhere. They seem to be forgetting that scoreboard pressure is the most important, bursts of attacking shots are useful tools and probably have some psychological advantage but they don't exceed time at the crease and runs on the board. I can only assume they have the mentality either that they are going to completely annihilate and dominate the opposition, taking down Bumrah to assert themselves, or that it's insecurity that makes them think their only hope is a swashbuckling attack that rattles the opposition. Either way its not pragmatic. If its ego, they need to be more humble and give respect where its due. If its insecurity, they need to have more faith in themselves rather than embracing the plucky underdog mentality.
Beyond Root though you need others in the team who can do both roles when required. Stokes is the only other one who digs in at times, adjusting to the situation. He can't accumulate like Root though and does tend to get himself in and build up to trying to smack it out of the ground, which is annoying when he gets out like today but at least its an intrinsic part of his game, so can't be too critical and it's why he's not a top order batsmen. Given the openers and to an extent Pope are all naturally more inclined towards quick scoring as well, the emphasis really needs to be on 4 and 5 providing some balance, reading the situation and adjusting accordingly.
Bairstow, I mean it's hard to criticise him for being too Bazball as he has barely even got himself in in this series. But I can't help but imagine how much better this England team would be if it had one player in the mould of Trott, Williamson or Smith. Or even better, a batsman or two who can adjust to the situation, dig in and accumulate when needed, and accelerate or counter attack when required.
The middle order have enough experience to feel the team through situations, they’ve done pretty well in 4th innings chases but let themselves down responding to big 1st innings scores.
Root’s in a general funk, was rubbish in the World Cup and has been rubbish here. Just needs to go back to basics. He’s at his best when batting with rhythm but he’s trying to force a rhythm rather than feel his way into one.
Bairstow is basically the originator of Bazball but it looks like it was just an insane purple patch. He needs to go after this series.
I think so, retired hurt rather than out but I don’t think they’ll risk him again.
Fully agree with you. He needs to be the base and let others attack more.
He often does.
People getting way too carried away with a run of poor form and dismissals in a tough away series.
Class will shine through, as always.
Yeah no doubt. Frustrating though. He’s finally got a top order worth a damn and he’s getting out doing that.
Yes but since it's an internal injury, he'll have to wait a bit before coming back.
Definetly frustrating. Today was crying out for the classic Root knock. I think that's what has triggered such a backlash.
Is Brook available? I'd get him in for Bairstow in the next test if so, never mind at the end of the series.
Not clear why he isn't available for selection so best to assume he will miss the series unless told otherwise.
Fair enough, hope he's ok. There's a lot of pressure on his young shoulders I think.
I'd even consider Malan tbh, think he was a bit unlucky to get dropped at the beginning of the Bazball era, maybe he could make the odd cameo.
Malan can't bazball in a T20 match, he'd not be very intimidating in a test match lower order surely
If we are bringing back underappreciated stroke makers in their mid 30s James Vince is ya man.
There's no way Vince has changed, he'd get out with 20-30 runs every time just like before.
All of this basically.
Why would he have to wait? Are there rules that say you have to wait, pretty sure he is allowed to return to bat whenever a wicket falls tomorrow.
He averages over 55 in ODIs with a strike rate of 97, and over 36 in T20s at a SR of 137. Not too shabby really. I wouldn't want to judge off the back of his tests when captained by Joe Root, I think he could do much better.
He's 36 - not gonna happen.
He was harshly treated after that Ashes tour years ago though I agree, he'd have been a good test player.
https://wisden.com/series-stories/i...-best-wicketkeeper-spin-bowling-ive-ever-seen
I remember last time he kept very well as well.
I remember last time he kept very well as well.
Barely does anything wrong with the gloves. 'Ok' batsmen at best.