I dont support England.
However all these replies shows from the fans why I can stand kholi and their egotistical views about their national team every time they make a win.
England in India 2021
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I dont support England.
However all these replies shows from the fans why I can stand kholi and their egotistical views about their national team every time they make a win.
India has so much talent but because of a moronic captain and team management, they have decided they would rather play to reach semifinals consistently and not win tournaments.
Yup, just like the United Forum after failing to win.
Rather that than the English fans who've been the second coming of rawk with all their million excuses the entire tour.
Rather that than the English fans who've been the second coming of rawk with all their million excuses the entire tour.
I don't know about that.
The Test series was not good for Test cricket overall.
There must have been a bigger shortage of tissues in England after this series than it was for bog rolls after the lockdown.
I tend to mainly post in the Cricket threads these days to avoid teenage 'banter' like this.
Thank you for this, my original post stands.
I really don't think English cricket fans behave as Moby has described at all, but then I've watching cricket for a long time & I've become hardened to the inevitable failing openers/middle order collapse etc.
I honestly never took you for anyone older than 15.
You couldn't be more rawk like with those levels of delusion.
No I think the debate in here is pretty good. Bar the odd post i've not seen that many excuses, just differing extremes of takes on the umpiring/pitches which were worth of discussion IMO.
I only tend to post in the football forums on here post match to vent, and that's because i'm not at the match/at the pub during Covid. Otherwise it's full of jesters like this Moby chap who seems to have popped up today in here.
The sad thing about India is, that despite the talent they have available they play such boring LO cricket. It's a sad contrast from the Indian team 10-13 years ago that had Sehwag, Yuvraj, Raina, Dhoni and even Sachin never hung around for the sake of it at the top.
It is time for the ICC to get rid of the 2-new balls in ODI cricket.
Modern ODI cricket with no reverse swing and no help for the offies is not good ODI cricket.
England have been big beneficiaries of the rule change so I doubt anything will change.
Modern ODI cricket with no reverse swing and no help for the offies is not good ODI cricket.
England have been big beneficiaries of the rule change so I doubt anything will change.
Forget video game. This is worse than stick cricket.
England should bat first and give a lesson to our batsmen what intent actually means. Meanwhile ours can just talk about intent while doing jackshit.
during class, it was book cricket. last digit of the page number = number of runs scored, 0 = out.
would result in similar strike rates.
Oh yes. That was the rage during primary school. And this game was basically someone playing with the pages ended in 6 folded.
England have been big beneficiaries of a cultural change top to bottom.
Of course.
ODI cricket needs to get more challenging again for the batsmen and getting rid of the two new ball rule is a great step towards that.
Fully aided by LOI cricket turning more and more in favor of batsmen but obviously full credit to them for getting the most out of the conditions due to their approach better than anyone else.
It is why it is all the more painful watching the best odi batsman in the world stay at the crease for 20 overs taking singles when he can just as easily smash absolute shite out of what he was against today.
Everyone was on the same playing field. You can't say England benefited massively.
Everyone benefitted the same, England completely changed their culture to make the most of it. They used to be awful at limited over cricket and 2 new balls didn't change that.
Surely India's approach would look even worse then? You get rid of the two new balls and the last 10 become even harder to score runs in (they already are the toughest)
Jeez, popped into this thread expecting to seem some pleasant discussion after watching a brilliant game today. What a load of bitterness and handbags I find instead!!
It was a great game, most of the limited over games so far have been pretty good, two quite well matched teams. Compared to the tests where England couldn't compete unless Joe Root scored a double hundred.
It was a great game, most of the limited over games so far have been pretty good, two quite well matched teams. Compared to the tests where England couldn't compete unless Joe Root scored a double hundred.
True but on the other hand the quality of their bowling would be more effective. In the end you want to have conditions that benefit balanced teams and offer assistance to both batsmen and bowlers.
Teams with bowlers who could exploit reverse swing and had good off-spinners obviously did not benefit from the changes and were negatively impacted.
India’s batting approach is archaic and the top 3 all play for their batting average.
And England didn't have good reverse swing bowlers?
Maybe him hung up to much in you saying England have benefitted from it.
Embraced might have been a better word
As did England's. Before the culture shift.
They've dropped one of the best players in the world because he can't score fast enough.
True. Indian leadership don't have the balls to make such calls.
The two formats are getting further and further apart. India are a far better test team but they need the same shift England have had under Morgan in odis
It's so weird for us we seem to have gone the other way as cricket has progressed more towards aggressive batting. As mentioned we used to have the likes of Sehwag Sachin Ganguly etc open in the pasts who always tried to make the most of first 15 overs. Ever since this rohit-dhawan top order has taken over the approach has gone backwards. And Kohli has gone into the same style as well.
Check England’s odi record in the subcontinent in the past, they were never competent with using reverse swing.
In the end, semantics or not, the two new ball rule is bad for the balance of the game and needs to go.
Another humbling defeat on Sunday might do India good. The next 20 and 50 over WC are in India and they need to start building now with some changes in personnel and strategy. 20 over cup is anyone’s to win but 50 over I’d like to see something like this:
Rohit
Kishan/Gill
Kohli
Suryakumar/Iyer
Pant
Hardik
Jadeja
Bhuvi
Shami
Bumrah
Top class spinner
Rohit
Kishan/Gill
Kohli
Suryakumar/Iyer
Pant
Hardik
Jadeja
Bhuvi
Shami
Bumrah
Top class spinner
I think the difference is that the archaic style of top order batting still keeps India comfortably in a 2nd or 3rd spot in LOI cricket which is acceptable to a lot of the casual fans.
England were getting knocked out by the likes of BD in the group stages which triggered the change.
Used to love watching India play but they don't seem to have accepted this 6 runs per over for the power plays isnt enough as you've said.
Yuvraj used to be one of my favourite players.
India won the t20 series while missing 2-3 big players & are level in this series . Not sure why there is so much moaning about the method of play . They were pretty good in the world cup too. It's not entertaining to watch but it is pretty effective .
Agreed that the bowlers need some help as on flat tracks ODI has become too easy just to bludgeon. I was thinking at one stage today that if cricket grounds were created based on the 2020 version of cricket the grounds would be 30% bigger
I'm not sure about the reverse swing comment for England though. They're surely one of the biggest proponents of it from the 90's and the conditions in county cricket are perfect for it?
Agreed that the bowlers need some help as on flat tracks ODI has become too easy just to bludgeon. I was thinking at one stage today that if cricket grounds were created based on the 2020 version of cricket the grounds would be 30% bigger
I'm not sure about the reverse swing comment for England though. They're surely one of the biggest proponents of it from the 90's and the conditions in county cricket are perfect for it?
You get a lot more reverse in Indian conditions. The ball is more likely to roughen up. Zaheer, Ishant and Shami are/were great utilisers of reverse.
ODI cricket is dog shit. Whats the point in it if you've T20 around? We've had these flat wickets for years and you've got ridiculously high averages in this era compared to the past. Rohit, Dhawan and Bairstow, for instance, average more than Tendulkar ffs.
Oh yeah, I know India and other countries in the sub continent were great proponents of it and English conditions are only good for it when it gets hot for a few weeks of the year. Whenever I think of English reverse swingers I always get a bit sad about what happened to Simon Jones and what he could have developed into if it weren't for the injury.
I don't think you are correct with that assumption. Many indian fans here and elsewhere have been moaning about our batting approach and kohli's captaincy in ODI much before this series irrespective of whether we win or lose. All these reactions may look kneejerk to you but people were tired of this slow play in first 30 overs. Just because we beat you lot sunday won't change that. And no one is saying we are a shit ODI side , it's just that with the talent we have we should be doing more. Like @Di Maria's angel here said we are playing cricket with 90s and 2000s mentality where we are happy scoring 300. With our batting in tracks like these 350 should be bare minimum.Our Indian friends are like United 'fans' in the United Forum after we don't win a game of football
Apart from a couple of games, India have comprehensively outplayed England. Why are you lot now asking for everybody's head. So England beat you, you're bound to make us look stupid in the final game.