England in India 2021

KM said:
No that was the umpire fault. He reckoned there was a shot. He should be out of the job.
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The standard of umpiring in all aspects in this test has been shockingly poor. It's raised concerns about having home country umpires.

Luckily it's not going to have a big impact on the match because India are going to comfortably win so it's not going to be as controversial as it could have been.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
India have every right to prepare a wicket that is best suited to them . I think most England fans expected the team to struggle against spin & lose 4-0 so I think it's wrong to think that they are moaning just because of the loss . This pitch is a bit extreme though and even the Indian commentators have said that they haven't seen a pitch like this
India deserve to win because they have played better cricket but I do think that teams shouldn't be allowed to do absolutely anything with the pitch just for home advantage
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Indian commentators talk a lot of shit. The last time Aussie visited, the first test match pitch was more extreme and it backfired on us with O Keefe absolutely wrecking us. Took 12/80 or something like that. We got bowled out for 105 in both innings.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Teams shouldn't be allowed to do absolutely anything with the pitch just for home advantage
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Absolutely agree. There should be some sort of oversight by the ICC in regards to the pitch preparation. Allowing the home team to have complete control over the pitch gives them a huge advantage even before a single bowl is bowled.
 
DOTA said:
It's spinner, not spinners. They have a really good one.
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Leach is decent but he still bowls too many loose deliveries. Not sure you can say he's really good.

Moeen still looks shot. Wonder if that change of action he made a couple of years ago has damaged him.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Leach is decent but he still bowls too many loose deliveries. Not sure you can say he's really good.

Moeen still looks shot. Wonder if that change of action he made a couple of years ago has damaged him.
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I was saying Ashwin was really good and that Leach is as good as the rest of India's options, without Jadeja.
 
If the ball's going to swing in the day-nighter would you drop Moeen and play four quicks?
 
Uncontested tosses for touring teams could be one way to prevent home teams preparing pitches skewed in their favour, they tried it in the County Championship but then got rid of it as they did not feel it was having a positive impact.
 
JohnnyKills said:
If the ball's going to swing in the day-nighter would you drop Moeen and play four quicks?
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Have to look at the pitch first. In Chennai the SG ball has worn quickly and offered reverse quite early, be interesting to see what their pink ball does but I would not go in expecting to play 4 seamers.
 
Whats the difference between swing and seam from the first ball and spin from the first day? This whining is typical. I remember the Jo'Burg pitch in 2018 where it was a minefield for fast bowlers. We went out and beat SA at their own game - no complaints.

We've been wrecked in tours of SA, Aus, NZ and Eng and as far as I'm aware, we rarely have complaints of the conditions. We've always bemoaned our batsmen for the lack of their ability in foreign conditions. Just get good, I'd say.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Have to look at the pitch first. In Chennai the SG ball has worn quickly and offered reverse quite early, be interesting to see what their pink ball does but I would not go in expecting to play 4 seamers.
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It's an option isn't it. As you say, very pitch-dependent.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Have to look at the pitch first. In Chennai the SG ball has worn quickly and offered reverse quite early, be interesting to see what their pink ball does but I would not go in expecting to play 4 seamers.
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I am absolutely certain that England will play only leach in that test. Woakes or Curran will play in place of Ali . If Moeen can't do it on this pitch he has to go
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Whats the difference between swing and seam from the first ball and spin from the first day? This whining is typical. I remember the Jo'Burg pitch in 2018 where it was a minefield for fast bowlers. We went out and beat SA at their own game - no complaints.

We've been wrecked in tours of SA, Aus, NZ and Eng and as far as I'm aware, we rarely have complaints of the conditions. We've always bemoaned our batsmen for the lack of their ability in foreign conditions. Just get good, I'd say.
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Are people whingeing? Not sure too many are really. Tbh i think it's fair enough, the beauty of test cricket is that you get different kinds of pitches. Looks like the toss was important here though.
 
DOTA said:
That spin gets worse as the match goes on.
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So what? We used to destroy teams in flat conditions a few years back and the whining was non stop back then too.

Like I said, instead of complaining, these teams should maybe look to improve in the way we did in respect to our fast bowlers.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Whats the difference between swing and seam from the first ball and spin from the first day? This whining is typical. I remember the Jo'Burg pitch in 2018 where it was a minefield for fast bowlers. We went out and beat SA at their own game - no complaints.

We've been wrecked in tours of SA, Aus, NZ and Eng and as far as I'm aware, we rarely have complaints of the conditions. We've always bemoaned our batsmen for the lack of their ability in foreign conditions. Just get good, I'd say.
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See this is a terrible argument. There is a definite difference between pitches which seam on day 1 & ones that turn on day 1. It really isn't that hard to understand either but people want to equate the two for some reason

Pitches that seam generally get better after day 1 , pitches that spin get even worse .
 
Di Maria's angel said:
So what? We used to destroy teams in flat conditions a few years back and the whining was non stop back then too.

Like I said, instead of complaining, these teams should maybe look to improve in the way we did in respect to our fast bowlers.
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You asked a question. You got an answer.
 
DOTA said:
Sure but one is under lights right? And India might not win the toss both times.
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There is no guarantee had England won the toss the scenario would have been any different to this. Pitch is assisting spinners but it has been the same since ball one. Truth is England have bowled and batted horribly. If India scores 200 plus in this innings, it just shows England were just poor.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
So what? We used to destroy teams in flat conditions a few years back and the whining was non stop back then too.

Like I said, instead of complaining, these teams should maybe look to improve in the way we did in respect to our fast bowlers.
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England beat India last week ffs . Also it's not the England team complaining so not sure what you are on about
 
JohnnyKills said:
Are people whingeing? Not sure too many are really. Tbh i think it's fair enough, the beauty of test cricket is that you get different kinds of pitches. Looks like the toss was important here though.
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Yeah of course, Johnny. We're not the holy grail of cricket teams but we put in a tonne of work in improving aspects of our game that were lacking. Those horrible tours of England and Australia went a long way in changing Indian cricket.

Other teams should look to do the same if they want to succeed in these opposing conditions.
 
AshRK said:
There is no guarantee had England won the toss the scenario would have been any different to this. Pitch is assisting spinners but it has been the same since ball one. Truth is England have bowled and batted horribly. If India scores 200 plus in this innings, it just shows England were just poor.
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I'm not sure England batted that badly. It's definitely the bowling I'd point to.
 
Ah man, I hate talking about pitches :lol: . I think everyone prefer's pitches that last 5 days and offer an even contest between bat and ball but also accepts that you're going to get pitches biased in the favour of the home team's strengths and that it is part of the challenge of touring.

England did a great job last test, India have done a great job this test.

Personally I do prefer pitches that have more in them for seamers, I just find fast bowling more exciting than spin bowling.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
See this is a terrible argument. There is a definite difference between pitches which seam on day 1 & ones that turn on day 1. It really isn't that hard to understand either but people want to equate the two for some reason

Pitches that seam generally get better after day 1 , pitches that spin get even worse .
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So the solution is to have pitches which behave the same? That'd be pretty boring, no?
 
Di Maria's angel said:
So what? We used to destroy teams in flat conditions a few years back and the whining was non stop back then too.

Like I said, instead of complaining, these teams should maybe look to improve in the way we did in respect to our fast bowlers.
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Agree
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Ah man, I hate talking about pitches :lol: . I think everyone prefer's pitches that last 5 days and offer an even contest between bat and ball but also accepts that you're going to get pitches biased in the favour of the home team's strengths and that it is part of the challenge of touring.

England did a great job last test, India have done a great job this test.
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The problem is when India lose matches be it home or away, theres never talk about the wicket. We're winning today and of course, theres talk about the pitch.

That said, I love this thread and this rivalry.
 
The funny thing is that the first test was an outlier . This Indian team would beat this England team on any surface in India 9 out of 10 times . No one is asking for seaming wickets , you expect turning tracks when you play in India but this one just went a bit extreme. I don't think toss played a huge role , England just don't have the skill level to win in these conditions
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Ah man, I hate talking about pitches :lol: . I think everyone prefer's pitches that last 5 days and offer an even contest between bat and ball but also accepts that you're going to get pitches biased in the favour of the home team's strengths and that it is part of the challenge of touring.

England did a great job last test, India have done a great job this test.

Personally I do prefer pitches that have more in them for seamers, I just find fast bowling more exciting than spin bowling.
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I love spinning tracks personally, find it much more exciting to watch with everyone round the bat, lbw shouts every few seconds but guess everyone is different.
 
DOTA said:
I'm not sure England batted that badly. It's definitely the bowling I'd point to.
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But the point is none of the dismissals were due to some craziness in the pitch. Ashwin as always was brilliant but also some of the shots were not good. Foakes was your best batsmen who looked quite comfortable. Rest never did.
 
AshRK said:
But the point is none of the dismissals were due to some craziness in the pitch. Ashwin as always was brilliant but also some of the shots were not good. Foakes was your best batsmen who looked quite comfortable. Rest never did.
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Yeah, it's just really good conditions for Ashwin who is a really good bowler.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
The funny thing is that the first test was an outlier . This Indian team would beat this England team on any surface in India 9 out of 10 times . No one is asking for seaming wickets , you expect turning tracks when you play in India but this one just went a bit extreme. I don't think toss played a huge role , England just don't have the skill level to win in these conditions
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Think you're doing England a disservice here.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Absolutely not , have turning tracks in India but maybe not this extreme where puff of dust is coming out every ball in the 8th over of day 1 .
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Yeah OK and we should also ensure that the ball doesnt swing ball 1 in other conditions. Sounds fair.
 
It's a pointless discussion tbh. You'll get similar pitches in next two matches. We will get green pitches in England for the next series. Let's move on and discuss how the feck rohit sharma scored 161 on this pitch.
 
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