England - Euro 2021 Discussion | FA chairman: Southgate to be offered new contract until Euro 2024

Stick Foden back as an 8 next to Mount. Rice as a 4, Grealish on the left, Sancho right.

Trippier - Stones - Maguire - Shaw
Rice
Mount - Foden
Sancho - Kane - Grealish​

Bring on any 3 of Rashford / Bellingham / Saka / DCL

Shaw can get forward, Grealish can play inside. Trippier in as the best RB defender we have to allow Sancho some freedom on the right.
 
rpitroda said:
Whilst I don’t entirely disagree, I really do think he just isn’t at full fitness / has some underlying issue. He was just that off the pace yesterday.
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I think it’s just excuses tbh. Even at full pelt he has a tendency to put in these type of performances when the going gets tough but agree didn’t look super sharp.

 
theyneverlearn said:
Stick Foden back as an 8 next to Mount. Rice as a 4, Grealish on the left, Sancho right.

Trippier - Stones - Maguire - Shaw
Rice
Mount - Foden
Sancho - Kane - Grealish​

Bring on any 3 of Rashford / Bellingham / Saka / DCL

Shaw can get forward, Grealish can play inside. Trippier in as the best RB defender we have to allow Sancho some freedom on the right.
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I think Mount and Foden is a little light weight to be honest, but I’d absolutely like to see your idea tried out. Personally I’d take Foden out for Bellingham but that’s nit picking.
 
Raees said:
I think it’s just excuses tbh. Even at full pelt he has a tendency to put in these type of performances when the going gets tough but agree didn’t look super sharp.

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Greenwood should be starting for England.
 
P-Nut said:
For those wanting us to finish 2nd for an easier R16 game, you do realise we win that and likely play the winner of the France/Germany/Portugal group the next round right? Followed likely by Belgium I think it is, without going back to check.

I know off of last night we look a million miles from winning it, but if we are going to I'd rather us finish top, and play 2nd in that group, rather than knowing we've got them in the 1/4s
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Agreed. And we play them at Wembley with 45,000 fans backing us, not to mention that side of the draw is significantly weaker with the winner of that game the favourites to make it to the final. Spain and Netherlands as opposed to France and Belgium. No brainer to finish top.
 
tentan said:
-------------------------Pickford

Walker----Stones--------Mings-------Shaw

--------Phillips---Rice------Mount

---Sancho------Foden------Grealish


Team should be for next game
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Rice and Philips again?!? Have a word with yourself.
 
Raees said:
I think it’s just excuses tbh. Even at full pelt he has a tendency to put in these type of performances when the going gets tough but agree didn’t look super sharp.

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Perhaps your right. I haven’t followed Spurs games as much this year. So don’t have much of a benchmark to compare against. If yesterday was just an “off” day with no real cause, then that’s fecking awful.
 
-Negative tactics
-Tactics didn’t change 2nd half
-Bizarre Subs
-Even more bizarre only using 2 Subs
-Performance got worse after Substitutions
-Our Captain looked miles off pace and uninspiring

4 points from 6 is far from disastrous

but that’s just paving over the cracks for me, 1 goal in 2 games with the attacking options we’ve got combined with the poor performance of last night is enough to throw any hope out the window

Scotland were always going to bring their fight……yet England looked surprised and didn’t no how to settle and start creating, no fight from England, no passion, and almost literally no quality or imagination, no one willing to take risks, I literally would rather see risks being taken to create something than none at all and doing nothing

I don’t think our players are being overhyped at all, they are all genuinely to draw imo, but they are massively under delivering thus far
 
I can see him starting Grealish and maybe even Sancho in the next game but even if it goes well I expect him to revert to the familiar line up for the knockouts.

The formation is a big part of the problem, and clearly Kane isn't fully fit. I think Kane and Sterling will both start in the knockout rounds regardless of their form though sadly.
 
theyneverlearn said:
Stick Foden back as an 8 next to Mount. Rice as a 4, Grealish on the left, Sancho right.

Trippier - Stones - Maguire - Shaw
Rice
Mount - Foden
Sancho - Kane - Grealish​

Bring on any 3 of Rashford / Bellingham / Saka / DCL

Shaw can get forward, Grealish can play inside. Trippier in as the best RB defender we have to allow Sancho some freedom on the right.
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Apart from the right back spot, that is exactly the same thought I had about the most exciting and creativ side we could have. I do to a degree with another poster commenting it looks light, and also Sancho has yet not performed for England but it would surely have us creating moer chances and moving the ball forwards better
 
lenny_1248 said:
Gary Neville: Gareth Southgate is England's biggest asset
https://www.skysports.com/football/...le-gareth-southgate-is-englands-biggest-asset

He beat Panama and Sweden, but just because he got to the 1/2 of World Cup, people gave him too much credit.
In reality he's an average coach who'll feck up another golden generation.
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Well the last world cup we had an easy draw but a terrible squad. I do think he led the side and galvanised them well mentally. I actually quite like SOuthgate, but so far this tournament in both games I have to agree wit the people negative on SOuthgate, for me he got the final squad selection wrong for th etournament, he has got the team selection wrong for both games but the biggest factor this tournament with 5 subs allowed is he is just not utilising the bench well at all....quite the opposite....2 subs last night when a raft of changes was needed and so late was really bad management for me
 
Beachryan said:
I get that we just had a Pep/Tuchel CL final. So obviously their tactics are effective.

But why did James and Sterling simply refuse to go forwards? I just don't understand. The number of times James had space out on the right, like 10 yards in front of him, and he chose to stop, put his foot on it then look back to Rice...it's just modern football.

And Sterling was back to 'proper City Sterling': receive ball, quickly turn, take two steps forward, stop, wait for defender, play it backwards.

It's all so negative, and I can't work out why.
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Funny enough Stuart Pearce just talking about Reece James being so negative now on Talksport and he doesn't understand why he was like that. He expected a lot more attacking from him.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Funny enough Stuart Pearce just talking about Reece James being so negative now on Talksport and he doesn't understand why he was like that. He expected a lot more attacking from him.
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Wary of the threat from Robertson and Tierney I imagine.
 
jesperjaap said:
Well the last world cup we had an easy draw but a terrible squad. I do think he led the side and galvanised them well mentally. I actually quite like SOuthgate, but so far this tournament in both games I have to agree wit the people negative on SOuthgate, for me he got the final squad selection wrong for th etournament, he has got the team selection wrong for both games but the biggest factor this tournament with 5 subs allowed is he is just not utilising the bench well at all....quite the opposite....2 subs last night when a raft of changes was needed and so late was really bad management for me
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Southgate deserves credit for 2018 but it was an ideal squad for him in the sense he could make it a team of grafters, minimal egos and play against mostly cannon fodder. Still did a better job than most English managers.

This squad is way more gifted so you need to be a lot more technically minded as a coach and take tougher decisions and good decisions as to strategy and personnel. This squad is above his pay grade and football IQ.
 
Raees said:
I think it’s just excuses tbh. Even at full pelt he has a tendency to put in these type of performances when the going gets tough but agree didn’t look super sharp.

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I dont think england fans realised how big of a miss Greenwood is to this euro's england squad, the laughable thing about it was that it was touch and go whether southgate was going to even pick which sums how messed southgate's squad selection has been.

It's games like last night where england could have done with a ward prowse and also an inform lingard as well with his movement and willingness to get behind the opposition defence which is the type of players you need up top to help accommodate to kane's lack of pace and his style of play of wanting to get involved in the build up and come deep.

As good as saka is he was a wasted selection, I just don't see how on earth saka gets a single minute in the euro's unless we were to go 3 at the back which is highly doubtful.

England need pace and goalscorers in attack with kane's lack of pace and looking out of sorts and sancho has to be starting because aside from foden he is the only quick, attacking wide player we have who has come into the tournament in form, fresher with a less demanding schedule and has a good goal scoring track record.
 
Personally I think we should be leaning more heavily on existing partnerships. Shaw and Rashford on the left is an existing high quality partnership. They should be starting every single game together. Once Maguire comes in that’s the left side completely locked down.
 
Need more pace up front, it almost feels like Southgate has been paralyzed by the wealth of options he has.

Pickford

Walker Stones Maguire Shaw

Foden/Bellingham Rice Mount

Sancho DCL Grealish

Kane to sit out a game to sort himself out, Sterling is just horrible these days, even if he scored in the last game.
 
English fans said that Sweden shouldn't be allowed to play in the Euros due to boredom. The English answer: zero shots on goal against mighty Scotland. Couldn't believe he didn't take out Phillips or Rice last night. He's too cautious, the midfield is non existing from an attacking point of view.
 
I find England's fans far too focused on this teams pace.

Englands issue last night was the quickness of thought. Too many touches and less sharp one touch passing in the early stages killed Englands confidence and that continued long into the 2nd half minor a few late moments.
 
I just don't see the hype around Mount, I'm sure he had a good season for Chelsea but in an England shirt he's been poor.

Rashford on the left, Bellingham in midfield with Rice, Sancho on the right and greilish in for Foden. That should be the team v Czech
 
I thought Mount was alright last night, though I don't really understand what role he was really playing and that's clearly on Southgate.
 
Lee565 said:
I dont think england fans realised how big of a miss Greenwood is to this euro's england squad, the laughable thing about it was that it was touch and go whether southgate was going to even pick which sums how messed southgate's squad selection has been.

It's games like last night where england could have done with a ward prowse and also an inform lingard as well with his movement and willingness to get behind the opposition defence which is the type of players you need up top to help accommodate to kane's lack of pace and his style of play of wanting to get involved in the build up and come deep.

As good as saka is he was a wasted selection, I just don't see how on earth saka gets a single minute in the euro's unless we were to go 3 at the back which is highly doubtful.

England need pace and goalscorers in attack with kane's lack of pace and looking out of sorts and sancho has to be starting because aside from foden he is the only quick, attacking wide player we have who has come into the tournament in form, fresher with a less demanding schedule and has a good goal scoring track record.
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Easy to say we need X player now that the current bunch aren't setting the world on fire. Greenwood would equally have struggled to get into the game like Foden did and then we would be banging on about some other player who should have started.

Fact of the matter is Southgate's tactics were shite and England as usual were hyped to ridiculous levels by the media pre-tournament.
 
So many similarities between Southgate and Ole. Both play a rigid negative formation with two holding players. Both have their favourites who shall always play. Both are inept at making tactical changes or substitutions during a match.
 
0161_UNITED said:
Not to defend Southgate, but to say that nobody wants one of the most high-profile, well-compensated jobs in world football is a bit off.
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It may well be high paid, high profile and well compensated but the top managers dont want to go anywhere near it because they know its a poisoned chalice and, unless they win a major tournament, which gets more unlikely all the time, their reputations will be damaged. Before Southgate, the only manager who actually said he wanted the job was Sam Allerdyce. No disrespect to Allerdyce but although he has done some great work keeping several clubs from relegation hes not exactly a world reknowned manager, indeed, being England Manager was never going to harm his reputation. When Allerdyce was fired Southgate applied for the job but was low down the list, 3rd or 4th, but those above him, including I think Wenger and Brendan Rogers oth of whom declined the offer. The FA decided to go with Southgate because he actually wanted the job and was English, just as with Kevin Keegan years earlier. Keegan later said that he never enjoyed being England manager and found it "soulless"
 
FrankDrebin said:
I find England's fans far too focused on this teams pace.

Englands issue last night was the quickness of thought. Too many touches and less sharp one touch passing in the early stages killed Englands confidence and that continued long into the 2nd half minor a few late moments.
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They didn't stretch the game enough, just kept going into blind alleys in the middle where Scotland had packed the defence.
 
theyneverlearn said:
Stick Foden back as an 8 next to Mount. Rice as a 4, Grealish on the left, Sancho right.

Trippier - Stones - Maguire - Shaw
Rice
Mount - Foden
Sancho - Kane - Grealish​

Bring on any 3 of Rashford / Bellingham / Saka / DCL

Shaw can get forward, Grealish can play inside. Trippier in as the best RB defender we have to allow Sancho some freedom on the right.
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This for the next game but id drop kane for DCL and maybe start Bellingham over mount
 
I said prior to the tournament that our biggest problem is Southgate due to his extreme caution, almost cowardice.
In the first game he cleverly put a right back at left back and in this one he starts with 2 dms and despite a laboured, leggy performance he makes 2 subs out of 5 allowed and doesn’t try to change the formation.
He’s a dead weight dragging us down, if we do well it’ll be despite him not because of him.

If I see sterling, Kane and 2dms start the next game I’m going to have a conniption fit.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Sorry but none of these three playing together will stretch teams. They are far too similar to one another.
They'll play nice intricate triangles but fundamentally they'll get nowhere.
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As opposed to 2 of the same 3 with the different one being Sterling who makes good runs behind but has a poor touch and isnt a gret supplier or finisher? Or a currently out of form Rasford who doesnt seem full fit.

The wild card of course is SAncho but he has barely played for England and is yet to convince either.

To a degree I do agree they are all similar players though, you would probably like to see all three of them in Mounts position, understand what you are saying. I just think Foden has looked pretty isolate on the right until he starts to drift....and then gets substitude both games and most of Mounts movement is down the left hand side, Sterling isnt using those runs or picking him out or moving with the ball in tight areas to free him up....Grealis would
 
The Purley King said:
I said prior to the tournament that our biggest problem is Southgate due to his extreme caution, almost cowardice.
In the first game he cleverly put a right back at left back and in this one he starts with 2 dms and despite a laboured, leggy performance he makes 2 subs out of 5 allowed and doesn’t try to change the formation.
He’s a dead weight dragging us down, if we do well it’ll be despite him not because of him.

If I see sterling, Kane and 2dms start the next game I’m going to have a conniption fit.
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Yes, I dont neccarsarily agree the formation needed changin, but the personnel did. The one thing more than other he deserves criticism for last night is only making 2 substitutes out of 5. Can be plenty of arguments about doign the wrong ones off and on or too late in the game. But per-tournament many have mentioned the attcking options and other we have on the bench....to not utilise five players when many players were simply not working in that second half, harsh criticism is totally warranted, that for me is by far his poores example of management for England, I think he has been harshly criticised as a manager on here but he deserves all of it lsat night for that alone
 
If this England side can't break this Scotland side, then avoiding the teams from the group F is the best option possible :D

What are the scenarios for England if they finish second or third?
 
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