England - Euro 2021 Discussion | FA chairman: Southgate to be offered new contract until Euro 2024

Jev said:
I know, they're classless in general. I honestly expected a sense of propriety here.
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Nobody will complain if england anthem get booed if it's played in Russia or Italy. There is always some fools in crowd to do some stupid stuff.Get over it.

England fans even booed their own players when they did knee gesture.It's not easy to control those fools.
 
No fan should be booing any anthem but things need to be kept in perspective: Wembley is far from the most hostile environment to play the home team in. That said, it's an ugly spectacle even when it's barely audible.

None of the Danish players took the knee which is disappointing considering quite a few of them ply their trade in England and play alongside players who have suffered racial abuse. Opposition teams staying on their feet fuels racism and strengthens the case of idiots who have a problem with being against prejudice.

I don't get why they are exempt from criticism and why it's left to a handful of nations to take a couple of seconds to highlight a problem in our world.
 
Jev said:
I know, they're classless in general. I honestly expected a sense of propriety here.
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Yeah you are right, I mean Danish fans have never done classless things:

Danish fans throw objects at opposition and sexist banner:
https://www.skysports.com/football/...rbances-during-world-cup-clash-with-australia

Danish fans throw dead rats at player:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39626712

Danish fan attacks referee:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-europe-denmark-fan-idUKL1189025020071211
 
Southgate has a done a phenomenal job even if we lose on Sunday. After all the shit everyone has had to watch over the past 50 years we shouldn't belittle what he's achieved.
 
AndyMUFC said:
Southgate has a done a phenomenal job even if we lose on Sunday. After all the shit everyone has had to watch over the past 50 years we shouldn't belittle what he's achieved.
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Southgate has done a horrible job and honestly it won't change even if he wins on Sunday. Anybody who is not English can see this. Those who are English get the benefit of being excited about the result - the exceptional success of the national team and do not need to care about how it happened. Enjoy

This team has largely succeeded DESPITE Southgate and not because of him. They mostly play horrible football, there is not really anything you would call "a team" and they have gotten away on individual skills of players, mostly Sterling. In this last game - exceptionally shameless diving abilities of the same Sterling saved the day, too.

But it didn't have to be this way. Imagine what a real, capable manager could have done with these players!!! Unfortunately, at this point we can only imagine
 
Against Italy he should play his tricky attackers and bait for fouls. His first real test.
 
They controlled the nerves that they seemed to have first half and the goal came at the right time for them. They had too much for Denmark and I’d expect them to have too much for Italy now. If the game is tight, England can look to three or four match winners from the bench. Italy have to look to Andrea Belotti.
 
NewGlory said:
Southgate has done a horrible job and honestly it won't change even if he wins on Sunday. Anybody who is not English can see this. Those who are English get the benefit of being excited about the result - the exceptional success of the national team and do not need to care about how it happened. Enjoy

This team has largely succeeded DESPITE Southgate and not because of him. They mostly play horrible football, there is not really anything you would call "a team" and they have gotten away on individual skills of players, mostly Sterling. In this last game - exceptionally shameless diving abilities of the same Sterling saved the day, too.

But it didn't have to be this way. Imagine what a real, capable manager could have done with these players!!! Unfortunately, at this point we can only imagine
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Jesus what a car crash of a post.
 
Canucantona20 said:
I would start Foden and Sancho for the final. Play your most technical players and we’ll have a chance
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You should know by now that this is not happening. Southgate will do what he's done throughout the tournament, so barring any injuries it'll be Sterling Kane and Saka up front
 
People saying England have got to the final despite Southgate are just too afraid of admitting they were wrong about him. :lol:
 
Southgate has benefitted from his time away from club football and his involvement with England's youth team(s) before his appointment as England's senior team manager.

He's got the respect of the players because they are very familiar with him. He's done a fantastic job with the national team at a time when they have very good talent across the board and don't seem to have any divas or FA controversies to deal with. No likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Becks, Terry v Rio, etc. While the pressure is always there, it's not like years gone by because the players are collectively very good as a group and familiar with each other. They genuinely get along with each other and have bought into the grand scheme of it all.

Kane, Rice, Maguire - that's their spine. Three club captains who are pretty straight-edged and keep their head down type of characters. Aside from the Greece incident (Maguire), they are no bullshit characters. You have to admire that because its carried them this far with England.

England was a genuine favorite to make the final and win the tournament going into it. All of their matches, except the quarterfinal, have been played in their home stadium. It's been made for them and they have delivered so far.

But this is the biggest match of their lives thus far. Italy will be a massive nut to crack and will be interesting what Southgate has to offer on Sunday. Will it be 3 at the back from the start? How will England deal with the Italian press and tempo?
 
Well done England and Gareth. I expect England will play a back 3 in the final.

I don't really understand the criticism of Southgate. He has reached a semi-final and a final. I am not sure what more people can expect. Good club managers don't always make good international managers. Southgate was a poor club manager but he excells in the England job. When he steps down he is probably suited to a role in the FA.
 
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NewGlory said:
Southgate has done a horrible job and honestly it won't change even if he wins on Sunday. Anybody who is not English can see this. Those who are English get the benefit of being excited about the result - the exceptional success of the national team and do not need to care about how it happened. Enjoy

This team has largely succeeded DESPITE Southgate and not because of him. They mostly play horrible football, there is not really anything you would call "a team" and they have gotten away on individual skills of players, mostly Sterling. In this last game - exceptionally shameless diving abilities of the same Sterling saved the day, too.

But it didn't have to be this way. Imagine what a real, capable manager could have done with these players!!! Unfortunately, at this point we can only imagine
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We don't have a team good enough or mentally strong enough (a la 1st Chelsea CL win for instance) to get to a final despite our manager.

This isn't football manager ffs.
 
NewGlory said:
Southgate has done a horrible job and honestly it won't change even if he wins on Sunday. Anybody who is not English can see this. Those who are English get the benefit of being excited about the result - the exceptional success of the national team and do not need to care about how it happened. Enjoy

This team has largely succeeded DESPITE Southgate and not because of him. They mostly play horrible football, there is not really anything you would call "a team" and they have gotten away on individual skills of players, mostly Sterling. In this last game - exceptionally shameless diving abilities of the same Sterling saved the day, too.

But it didn't have to be this way. Imagine what a real, capable manager could have done with these players!!! Unfortunately, at this point we can only imagine
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Embarrassing post . Having a lot of good players means absolutely nothing if you don't use them well . So a country that hadnt made a major semifinal in 20+ years & a major final in 50+ years has now done both in a space of 3 years under this guy and I am supposed to believe that it's despite him and not because of him .

There is so much to like about this team and at this stage if you can't see his impact turn you just are intentionally looking away
 
Glad we've made the final but that was another slog of a game to watch.

Euro 1996, World Cup 2002 and Euro 2004 were the peak of my disappointment as an England fan. Since then I've felt a disconnection regarding our results and the team.

I'm obviously happy that we've made the final but what a disappointing way to do it. It was never a penalty. Sterling was diving his way to the ground way before there was any contact.

Growing up watching United I was obviously spoilt, but I'd like to watch a game from England that is actually entertaining from the standard of football. Apart from the Ukraine match which was like taking candy from a baby, I've spent all of the games (whether in the pub or with friends at home) amongst fans groaning at how poor we are.

Here's hoping for an England win, and perhaps even some good football if we're lucky, in the final.
 
If there is any similarities between Southgate and Ole is that a certain portion of their fan base completely hates them. It's so bizarre.

England have a shite goalkeeper and no midfield, just be happy this guy has dragged you to a European final.
 
Dec9003 said:
People saying England have got to the final despite Southgate are just too afraid of admitting they were wrong about him. :lol:
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Not really. Put him in charge of a midtable premier league club and he'd be sacked within a few few months/year. Deschamps and Scolari are hardly likely to get a call from Real Madrid anytime soon and they're World Cup winning managers. I wouldn't put it past the Glazers to consider him if things don't go well with Ole though :lol:

He's an ok manager, his man management seem excellent, and he has done a good job to get England where they are; he's also got an unusually fantastic group of players to pick and had some brilliant luck with routes to the finals, all the while playing a very conservative style of football. Good on him if he wins it but tactical genius (ITV commentators) and all the fawning is stretching it a bit. For years people have been having a go at England for lacking an identity in football that's expressive or unique and I don't think Southgate has changed that.

Also remember him being a right knobhead about Ronaldo years back :nono:
 
Cole9 said:
Glad we've made the final but that was another slog of a game to watch.

World Cup 2002 and Euro 2004 were the peak of my disappointment as a young England fan. Since then I've felt a disconnection regarding our results and the team.

I'm obviously happy that we've made the final but what a disappointing way to do it. It was never a penalty. Sterling was diving his way to the ground way before there was any contact.

Growing up watching United I was obviously spoilt, but I'd like to watch a game from England that is actually entertaining from the standard of football. Apart from the Ukraine match which was like taking candy from a baby, I've spent all of the games (whether in the pub or with friends at home) amongst fans groaning at how poor we are.

Here's hoping for an England win, and perhaps even some good football if we're lucky, in the final.
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It was obviously really tense but it's a semifinal, so there are only good teams left, but even with that said, we really played some fantastic stuff when we had Denmark penned in scrambling for their lives. Edge of my seat stuff. Schmeichel was in inspired form tonight and kept the score respectable.
 
Irwin99 said:
Not really. Put him in charge of a midtable premier league club and he'd be sacked within a few few months/year. Deschamps and Scolari are hardly likely to get a call from Real Madrid anytime soon and they're World Cup winning managers. I wouldn't put it past the Glazers to consider him if things don't go well with Ole though :lol:

He's an ok manager, his man management seem excellent, and he has done a good job to get England where they are; he's also got an unusually fantastic group of players to pick and had some brilliant luck with routes to the finals, all the while playing a very conservative style of football. Good on him if he wins it but tactical genius (ITV commentators) and all the fawning is stretching it a bit. For years people have been having a go at England for lacking an identity in football that's expressive or unique and I don't think Southgate has changed that.

Also remember him being a right knobhead about Ronaldo years back :nono:
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It’s almost as if club and international management are two different disciplines
 
NewGlory said:
Southgate has done a horrible job and honestly it won't change even if he wins on Sunday. Anybody who is not English can see this. Those who are English get the benefit of being excited about the result - the exceptional success of the national team and do not need to care about how it happened. Enjoy

This team has largely succeeded DESPITE Southgate and not because of him. They mostly play horrible football, there is not really anything you would call "a team" and they have gotten away on individual skills of players, mostly Sterling. In this last game - exceptionally shameless diving abilities of the same Sterling saved the day, too.

But it didn't have to be this way. Imagine what a real, capable manager could have done with these players!!! Unfortunately, at this point we can only imagine
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Bit Harsh!

For a few golden minutes in extra-time England actually had a team on the pitch that I think most right-minded football fans would agree was the best we have: with Sterling and Grealish and Foden and eight others.

Then he took Grealish off and we looked a bit wobbly and he can't have been tired, cos he was a substitute himself! Thankfully, we saw the game out and those last 3-4 minutes when the players were passing it and passing it and Denmark couldn't get the ball was amazing to see.

I was gutted in 2018 when we lost to Croatia & I wondered if I would ever see England in a big final and now I will. So well done Southgate, the team and all the back-up staff too.

But please, on Sunday, give it a go: I would rather we went all out with the flair players and lost, than try to match up the Italians and play it safe - cos we would probably still lose anyway...

No Guts, No Glory!
 
Irwin99 said:
Not really. Put him in charge of a midtable premier league club and he'd be sacked within a few few months/year. Deschamps and Scolari are hardly likely to get a call from Real Madrid anytime soon and they're World Cup winning managers. I wouldn't put it past the Glazers to consider him if things don't go well with Ole though :lol:

He's an ok manager, his man management seem excellent, and he has done a good job to get England where they are; he's also got an unusually fantastic group of players to pick and had some brilliant luck with routes to the finals, all the while playing a very conservative style of football. Good on him if he wins it but tactical genius (ITV commentators) and all the fawning is stretching it a bit. For years people have been having a go at England for lacking an identity in football that's expressive or unique and I don't think Southgate has changed that.

Also remember him being a right knobhead about Ronaldo years back :nono:
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Mate there’s a middle ground between tactical genius and what he’s been labelled as on here. I wouldn’t say he’s that good a manager myself, I wouldn’t want him at United, but he’s clearly much better than most of us gave him credit for. Anyone who is daft enough to say England are in the final despite their manager are either very bitter or just can’t accept that maybe he’s a better manager than they thought and maybe he doesn’t need to pick their starting xi to get results. :lol:
 
Rajiztar said:
All hail sir Gareth Southgate. Whatever you can call him if he was manager of that golden generation period of scholes Lampard Gerrard era he would have benched one of those or two and could have made england functional defensively stubborn unit.

Whatever you can call it defensive boring shit football but he is the manager made england into play world cup semis now euro finals too.
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Yes, it seemed every bloody tournament the build up was always full of 'can England play with Gerrard and Lampard together?' and the answer was always a resounding NO. Southgate would have done more than Sven & co with that set of players. I'm genuinely impressed with him and I didn't expect to be saying that a few weeks ago.
 
So, I've had a sleep on it and I don't feel as good as I should about England reaching their first final of my lifetime.

It's partly due to getting there as a result of a dive, however it's mainly due to Southgate.

Results wise he's done well, but his conservative nature drives me nuts. He's going to play it safe again in the final but this time does anyone not see us getting a 3-0 humping? I can't look forward to a final when I have almost zero hope for a result.
 
DixieDean said:
So, I've had a sleep on it and I don't feel as good as I should about England reaching their first final of my lifetime.

It's partly due to getting there as a result of a dive, however it's mainly due to Southgate.

Results wise he's done well, but his conservative nature drives me nuts. He's going to play it safe again in the final but this time does anyone not see us getting a 3-0 humping? I can't look forward to a final when I have almost zero hope for a result.
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You sound like one of those weirdo I'm not English I'm Scouse types.
 
DixieDean said:
So, I've had a sleep on it and I don't feel as good as I should about England reaching their first final of my lifetime.

It's partly due to getting there as a result of a dive, however it's mainly due to Southgate.

Results wise he's done well, but his conservative nature drives me nuts. He's going to play it safe again in the final but this time does anyone not see us getting a 3-0 humping? I can't look forward to a final when I have almost zero hope for a result.
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It's a results driven business, and he is producing results.

It's a strange time to be criticising Southgate imo. Maybe after game 1 or 2 when it looked far bleaker, but they're literally in the final!
 
IncyWincySpider said:
Yes, it seemed every bloody tournament the build up was always full of 'can England play with Gerrard and Lampard together?' and the answer was always a resounding NO. Southgate would have done more than Sven & co with that set of players. I'm genuinely impressed with him and I didn't expect to be saying that a few weeks ago.
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Simply he has courage to say to all those want this player to play that player to play feck off. This is my team and I am doing what is good to win those matches.

If Rooney,scholes,Gerrard Lampard,rio,Terry,cole,Owen,Neville,garragher won winner medal in their playing days they will be cherished for life time they played or not.Those players are legends of the game who wanted to win at all cost.

Still look back in their career and look at this players who will play finals for trophy why we didn't goto that stage should come in their mind.

After royally fecked up by Hodgson against Iceland even some fans think england should play attacking Hodgson ball and open up to sucker punched. :lol:
 
DixieDean said:
So, I've had a sleep on it and I don't feel as good as I should about England reaching their first final of my lifetime.

It's partly due to getting there as a result of a dive, however it's mainly due to Southgate.

Results wise he's done well, but his conservative nature drives me nuts. He's going to play it safe again in the final but this time does anyone not see us getting a 3-0 humping? I can't look forward to a final when I have almost zero hope for a result.
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We are 100% not getting thumped in the final. It's a final against a very good team so we could definitely lose it but I have no doubts we can definitely beat them as well. We're a difficult team to break down with some real threats up top as well. It's going to be a very tight game.

I'm genuinely of the opinion Gareth has done a brilliant job and his conservative nature is exactly why we're in our first final in 60 years... In tournament football, not conceding is always more important than scoring imho, this is what gets you far in tournaments, statistically this has been the case for decades and having a coach who has the gumption to ignore the national fawning over certain players and pick a side he genuinely believes in when others don't has been incredibly refreshing...

The fact is, whatever happens in the final, he has reached 2 semi finals and now a final in the three tournaments he's been in, he's doing a brilliant job.
 
NewGlory said:
Southgate has done a horrible job and honestly it won't change even if he wins on Sunday. Anybody who is not English can see this. Those who are English get the benefit of being excited about the result - the exceptional success of the national team and do not need to care about how it happened. Enjoy

This team has largely succeeded DESPITE Southgate and not because of him. They mostly play horrible football, there is not really anything you would call "a team" and they have gotten away on individual skills of players, mostly Sterling. In this last game - exceptionally shameless diving abilities of the same Sterling saved the day, too.

But it didn't have to be this way. Imagine what a real, capable manager could have done with these players!!! Unfortunately, at this point we can only imagine
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This is such a laughably bad post I can't believe its real. We're in the final, and people like you still exist :lol:

I've slagged Gareth off during this bloody tournament but to say he's done a horrible job even if we win on sunday is so almost unthinkably stupid and moronic its quite impressive.
 
This doesn't feel anywhere near as close to Utd being in a CL final, maybe because I obsess over the club far more, I don't talk about the England national team every day so it feels different, but it still feels really special, but mostly surreal to be honest. Plus its just nice for (mostly) the whole country to be on the same page for once.
 
Judas said:
Pretty much. Obvious he's one for the future but his inexperience is quite evident. It's not like he's playing in many big important games at club level, and some times that shows especially with his age.
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Weird opinión he was still part of all the good moves England did. He was made an absolutely great run and pass that made the goal. Passed and dribbled well. He didn't look out of place there.
 
mancan92 said:
Weird opinión he was still part of all the good moves England did. He was made an absolutely great run and pass that made the goal. Passed and dribbled well. He didn't look out of place there.
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Nah its quite the popular opinion from what I've seen. Yep did well for the goal, but often made the wrong decision. But then so did Sterling many many times! Saka has all the tools to be a brilliant player though, look forward to see where he ends up.
 
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