England Discussion

giorno said:
Croatia beating England in 2018 wasn't an upset, they were the better team. Brazil was a major upset and yes, Brazil should have won that game by 3 or 4 goals
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You're mixing things. Based on the game Brasil should have won but the fact Croatia won wasn't an major upset in itself. It would have been a major upset if it was I dont know, Japan or Switzerland, with all due respect to those teams.

Doesn't matter.
 
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Plant0x84 said:
Go on then, I’ll bite. Simply, it’s either the cross of St. George or it isn’t. There is no such thing as a ‘playful update’. Not that I really care to be honest.

Clearly it is being blown out of all proportion. Smacks of a bit of opportunist populism by Starmer. He should really be above this as a prime minister in waiting. The arguement really isn’t helped being championed by Farage, Lee Anderson and the Daily Fail, and the use of the word ‘woke’. Labour probably shouldn’t get involved with that lot. :wenger:

However I agree that the prices for these things are utterly disgusting, and the FA should put a stop to it as it’s a national shirt.
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I wonder if the said great English patriots ever noticed film from the 66 World Cup final and not a single St George cross on site just a sea of union jacks bloody wokies
 
Noone gives a shit about the cross, now can we get back to slagging off Southgate please?
 
Rex Banner said:
Nice to see Keir Starmer highlighting one of the country's major issues. A miniscule design choice on an England kit. Jesus wept.
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Unfortunately starter feels the need the to pander to the right wing press making a big deal of this to distract all the simpletons in this country
 
Solius said:
Case in point btw

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Nah that’s different, it’s a keepers kit (so they probably couldn’t wear red) and that is clearly a pattern of repeated shapes. I also found this one
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Frankly, somehow looks more like a Scotland kit. Again a keepers jersey. I like the new shirt generally, it’s much better than we’ve had in recent years but I certainly won’t be buying it.
Im puzzled as to how the word ‘woke’ has been attributed to the new kit too. What is woke about it?
 
‘spoons in the morning. fry up and carling. get some bags in and some chanting tinnies, then we march to the cenotaph, demanding are flag back. stupid nike forens trying to steal are heritidge.
 
Starmer is just playing politics.

That said, I wish they’d left the flag alone, for no other reason than it looks better in red and the “updated” version looks like literal vomit.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
I think is the only country that would allow the national kit to have its flags colours changed. The Uk is the most woke country on the planet.
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Or the softest.
England - “Oh yes old boy, terribly sorry to bother you - would you mind awfully not fluffing up our flag like that, it’s not right”

Nike - “whatever, I do what I want!”

England - “ah right, yes. I see. Quite right. Carry on then.”
 
Solius said:
Case in point btw

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In fairness there was a similar level of outrage about the 2011 shirt IIRC, we've just all forgotten about it because - similar to the current nonsense - it lasted around 3 days before everyone forgot about it.

I think it's silly from Nike to be fair but the outrage, and political leaders commenting on it, is ridiculous.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Nah that’s different, it’s a keepers kit (so they probably couldn’t wear red) and that is clearly a pattern of repeated shapes. I also found this one
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The other pic is the white home kit with many different colours of the cross

I don't remember any fall out from it TBH
 
According BBC news, the under 21's "won wearing the kit and didn't seem to mind". Phew, I was seriously worried that not having the flag in the right colours would severely impact performances.

This is such a bizarre thing for the press to get hung up on
 
"I suppose what you're really asking is should we be tampering with the cross of St George, in my head if it's not a red cross and white background then it's not the cross of St George.
I like the cross as a one off but agree with him here.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
I think England is the only country that would allow the national kit to have its flags colours changed. The Uk is the most woke country on the planet.
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Careful. People who weaponise the term "woke" are on the hard right.

"Woke" means to be against social and cultural prejudice and injustice.

If you think being against prejudice is a bad thing then you're the problem.

I'm "woke" and proud. Being prejudice isn't cool.

Back to the issue.

I'm Scottish and a Scotland fan. If Adidas decided to change the saltire, I couldn't care less.

Personally, I think the Nike reimagining of the St George's cross is cool.
 
Southgate will confirm he's a bellend if he doesn't start Mainoo, Rice and Bellingham together in one of these friendlies
 
JustinC00 said:
Southgate will confirm he's a bellend if he doesn't start Mainoo, Rice and Bellingham together in one of these friendlies
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Rice and Bellingham will 100% start. Not necessarily in midfield, though. Kane is out so Bellingham will either play as a 10 or a false 9.

Mainoo shouldn't start. Trouble is, England have no other alternatives, so he probably will start.

Mainoo does look like a talent, but he shouldn't be expected to dominate the midfield.
 
It's about time Bellingham starts doing something for his country. 2 goals in 27 games is not good enough so far.
 
So, can Ruben Loftus-Cheek feel robbed that the Waistcoat didn't call him up?

It's amazing how Southgate is always so willing to ignore non-PL form players. I remember him giving Tomori the shaft for ages until Milan won Serie A.
 
Hoof the ball said:
So, can Ruben Loftus-Cheek feel robbed that the Waistcoat didn't call him up?

It's amazing how Southgate is always so willing to ignore non-PL form players. I remember him giving Tomori the shaft for ages until Milan won Serie A.
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I think he's been playing quite high up the pitch for Milan and to be fair, England have millions of players in that attacking midfield role.
 
TheBatman said:
Rice and Bellingham will 100% start. Not necessarily in midfield, though. Kane is out so Bellingham will either play as a 10 or a false 9.

Mainoo shouldn't start. Trouble is, England have no other alternatives, so he probably will start.

Mainoo does look like a talent, but he shouldn't be expected to dominate the midfield.
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With Rice and Bellingham alongside him he wouldn’t need to dominate it
 
The politician's in the UK have to be the most gutless ever.

They are constantly afraid of what the softies moan about and make it a priority not to offend them.

Its no wonder the UK is going down the **** hole, our priorities are all wrong.

I mean jeez, who really gives a damn what colours the England cross is on their shirt.

I think we have bigger issues to resolve these days.
 
Is anyone else supporting Brazil tonight?

I'm English but Nike have bastardised our flag and I hope we get smashed 20 nil.
 
horsechoker said:
Is anyone else supporting Brazil tonight?

I'm English but Nike have bastardised our flag and I hope we get smashed 20 nil.
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Get over it. I'm sure with all the negative feedback they'll change it back. Dumb thing to cry about and not support your country.
 
TheBatman said:
Rice and Bellingham will 100% start. Not necessarily in midfield, though. Kane is out so Bellingham will either play as a 10 or a false 9.

Mainoo shouldn't start. Trouble is, England have no other alternatives, so he probably will start.

Mainoo does look like a talent, but he shouldn't be expected to dominate the midfield.
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Why would anyone expect Mainoo to dominate?
 
Really impressed tonight. Fa should immediately make him the highest paid manager in the sport with a long term extension
 
Tiber said:
Really impressed tonight. Fa should immediately make him the highest paid manager in the sport with a long term extension
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And outlaw any club side hiring him - should be deemed treason really
 
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