If a Kane pen knocks out France, then the press has every right to get excited.
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We’ll unconvincingly squeeze past Senegal/Ecuador in the last 16 before being promptly dispatched by France. The silver lining being it should be enough to see Southgate replaced, hopefully by Poch/Tuchel/Rodgers.
What a weird way to engage with the World Cup.
In what way? I think it’s a fairly standard prediction most England fans would have. Or shan’t we criticise because “World Cup fever!”.
Obviously they should be excited about England’s progress. But they will imply that Harry Kane has dragged them this far, as they did in the Euros, which isn’t the case.
Pretty sure people were saying this at the last World Cup and at the Euros.
We’ve been in poor form since the Euro’s.
He won golden boot at the last world cup though. It was probably the worst golden boot at a world cup in my lifetime but still....
I ain't saying he's a goal digger.
Southgate looked a bit pissed off after the Iran game, where as last night he looked absolutely delighted post match.
Sums him up
Sums him up
I said the Euros. When he took leave if absence until the quarterfinals, and then the press immediately changed it to the Harry Kane show.
Oh of course. When the team performs well it's Harry Kane.
When the team is not performing well it's the team or manager, it's the same at Spurs....
I actually think England stand a chance against the French. France losing Pogba is a huge blow for them, and they don’t have anyone else like him.
In midfield they have runners and tacklers which will suit England’s strengths, and their main weapon in Mbappé can be neutralised by Walker. Giroud also plays into the strengths of Harold. Without the creative passing of Pogba, they lose a dimension and I think England can cope with what they have.
In midfield they have runners and tacklers which will suit England’s strengths, and their main weapon in Mbappé can be neutralised by Walker. Giroud also plays into the strengths of Harold. Without the creative passing of Pogba, they lose a dimension and I think England can cope with what they have.
We'd have to beat Ecuador first before we worry about France.
You said they have runners and tacklers in midfield yet they have Rabiot and Griezmann, who are better passers than anyone we have in midfield, In fact their most defensive midfielder (Tchouameni) is a better passer than both of our midfield 2.
They are decent passers, but for a well organised team, you would have to be disappointed if you were afraid of being opened up by Rabiot and Tchouameni. England has to back themselves to deal with their range of passing. None of them, Griezmann included, has the passing of a world class 10 or 8 like Pogba. England will likely play a low block and Tchouameni or Rabiot won’t just be an equal substitute for Pogba’s passing.
I agree with you that Ecuador could cause England real problems though.
There is nothing wrong with kane but the issue is southgate just throwing his favourite 11 together without thinking about the dynamics of the chemistry.
Kane is clearly at his best with pace around him like son.
I would have liked to see us go with a diamond and kane and rashford up front, we have good enough fullbacks to give us width
Kane is clearly at his best with pace around him like son.
I would have liked to see us go with a diamond and kane and rashford up front, we have good enough fullbacks to give us width
I agree about them not being as good a passer as Pogba, I just feel that they don't need that, they have enough quality from their 2 wide attackers to create for them and as long as they get the ball to them in decent positions we'll struggle to keep them at bay. I'm also worried about Kyle Walker, he's hardly had minutes this season, been injured a lot and his first or second game back he'll be up against Mbappe who looks confident and is probably playing the best he's ever played.
Sterling & Saka are pacey no?
Sterling is god awful and needs to be replaced by one of the 4-5 bettrr players who are sitting on our bench.
We also need to play a system that actually works against a credible opponent, which probably means giving Kane a partner or someone to feed off counter attack balls with, since we're never going to be able to press with Kane, Rice and Maguire as our spine. Again that isn't Sterling who juat wastes the ball being selfish every time he has it, and it would mean Southgate abandoning this weird (stupid) principle of "controlling the game from the back" which basically means Stones and Maguire slowing every attack to a halt before it even gets started
We won't be beating France with the team Southgate keeps picking. It'll be 90 minutes of them trampling all over us while we try to do God knows what.
And its also quite possible on our recent, tactically clueless performances that we won't win the group and will end up being suffocated out by the Dutch.
We also need to play a system that actually works against a credible opponent, which probably means giving Kane a partner or someone to feed off counter attack balls with, since we're never going to be able to press with Kane, Rice and Maguire as our spine. Again that isn't Sterling who juat wastes the ball being selfish every time he has it, and it would mean Southgate abandoning this weird (stupid) principle of "controlling the game from the back" which basically means Stones and Maguire slowing every attack to a halt before it even gets started
We won't be beating France with the team Southgate keeps picking. It'll be 90 minutes of them trampling all over us while we try to do God knows what.
And its also quite possible on our recent, tactically clueless performances that we won't win the group and will end up being suffocated out by the Dutch.
Foden is the new Messiah!
I'm convinced Maguire would kill it in Serie A, see Smalling.
I’d drop Kane for the final game. Mainly to test him but also because the team could do with someone just staying upfront.
Correct, bad arithmetic on my part. Still, losing by 4 to Wales is almost as unlikely as losing by 6. They are home and hosed either way.
Such nonsense. All the hype so far has been about Bellingham and Foden.
Smalling is athletic though and can run. Maguire works when you give him extreme protection, whether he deserves that protection is the question.
Point taken.
They won't stay upfront - it is part of the game plan.
Southgate looked a bit pissed off after the Iran game, where as last night he looked absolutely delighted post match.
Sums him up
Yeah he hated us being that attacking
Still a chance Denmark could wrestle control away from them with a win later
Wow Americans here all of a sudden are very interested in football and are celebrating the draw as if they beat England 3:0. USA team is not that bad at all, so many players play in Europe and some play for top teams.
Which is the point. If/when Harold turns up (i.e scores a penalty) in the quarters, the narrative will be as if he has carried England that far.
Complete and utter nonsense once again. You are just making crap up now.
It’s happened before and it will happen again. It literally happened in England’s last major tournament, and Spurs’ last domestic season - yet somehow I am making crap up.
Sterling isn’t near as rapid as he was. Saka is very pacey but he’s not really an off ball runner like Rashford is, he still prefers it to his feet
I don't think Sterling is direct enough with his pace. Or he's just not as fast as he used to be.
England v Wales fan brawl.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/20557459/england-wales-tenerife-brawl-world-cup/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/20557459/england-wales-tenerife-brawl-world-cup/
The best thing about England and France is that we can get Rashford and Shaw back in training early for the FA cup game.
So there's talk of Henderson starting ahead of Bellingham tomorrow
No Bellingham and Foden in this side is criminal, talk about wasting talent.
No Bellingham and Foden in this side is criminal, talk about wasting talent.
Southgate is a very functional man. I could see him start James Milner in this team if he wasn’t retired. Foden is the complete opposite of Southgates ideas. Play him LW, AM or even false 9 and he will stray from starting position to influence things. Same with Grealish.
I’d hate to see him ruin this team like Martinez ruined Belgium.