You obviously have no idea how big Volkswagen is, and are totally into Tesla hype. No real businessman would buy Tesla before Volkswagen for same money. Actually I don't think anyone sane who knows how business are actually run(and not just studied it without real life experience) would buy Tesla for half before Volkswagen for full price, because it's totally dependable on single next car and crazyman behind their keyboard doing shady things on stock market.
Elon Musk's epic bacon adventures
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You obviously have no idea how big Volkswagen is, and are totally into Tesla hype. No real businessman would buy Tesla before Volkswagen for same money. Actually I don't think anyone sane who knows how business are actually run(and not just studied it without real life experience) would buy Tesla for half before Volkswagen for full price, because it's totally dependable on single next car and crazyman behind their keyboard doing shady things on stock market.
Then go tell those hedge fund managers and other people to swap Tesla stocks for VW’s (especially considering that they are roughly 6 times or so cheaper, 1T va 150B evaluation or so) and tell them that they know nothing.
For what is worth I think that Tesla is severely overvalued but at the same price I would definitely take it before VW.
That's all by the by though if no-one is willing to pay the higher value you seem to think it's worth.
The words you are looking for, are leadership and a sense of direction. That's ultimately what Musk provides his companies - as SAF provided for United. He also puts his money where his mouth is. The reason why SpaceX is for example, building Starship, is because Musk wants it to. (Whether it gets people to Mars is immaterial at the end of the day, because even if it doesn't it is going to transform launch economics). It would be very easy to imagine a world where SpaceX stopped development and settled for milking its 75% market share, with someone else in charge. People who invest in his companies (and I mean the smart VC money, not the dumb speculator money) aren't just investing in his companies, they are investing in his ability to deliver big things.
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Wow, you're right. A friend of mine who swears by Tesla's valuation said it is their batter tech that drives the valuation. He must be mistaken and i stand corrected.
That's great, doesn't really have anything to do with what I have said though, if anything it re-enforces my point.
Indeed, with echoes of Trump's emotional immaturity. And if Musk gains control of Twitter, then for sure he will invite Trump back onboard in the name of "free speech".
I don't think this is true. I see plenty of business folks driving a Tesla.
I assume you mean Tesla without Musk staying on as CEO?
otherwise why wouldn't I take Tesla for half the price of VW, take it public again and make way way way more money?
Tesla are only at about 14% of the global EV market share, which will fall by the year as others (specifically VW, BMW, Mercedes and the US and Japanese big companies) catch up. Thus, the farcically inflated TSLA share price will at some point go down like a Led Zeppelin imo.
What Musk does have going for him is that advantage of having a Car/Battery/Charging Infrastructure ecosystem in place well before the competition, which if he adds marketshare by releasing the Model 2 (or whatever name its given), will cut into the sales of competition. Its still not a $1k stock, but could wind up settling at about $300-400 range.
What Musk does have going for him is that advantage of having a Car/Battery/Charging Infrastructure ecosystem in place well before the competition, which if he adds marketshare by releasing the Model 2 (or whatever name its given), will cut into the sales of competition. Its still not a $1k stock, but could wind up settling at about $300-400 range.
I think I saw that as of last week (at least in the UK) they have withdrawn the right of anybody taking a tesla on lease to buy it at the end of the contract... i assumed that this was to give them a critical mass of self driving cars so they could basically have their own uber type service with no driver costs... something like that could be a game changer for them as well
At some point probably their price drops but there is a lot of people lost a lot of money shorting tesla so far
Volkswagen has factories that have actual value. Buildings, infrastucture are worth for banks, banks give you loan based on colaterall you give to them, they don't give you loans based on future predictions.
Buying stocks is completely different to buying entire company, you seem to think that the value of one stock presents the value of entire company. Value of the stock changes every day, and value of actual infrastructure, products, history, is pretty much consistent and something that holds value.
If you want to buy Manchester United, their stock can go up high after announcing Ten Hag, but as soon as result go down stock will return to its normal value, but when you are buying Manchester United you'll always get the stadium, players, history, it's infrastructure, fans and potential sales, 75k tickes sold every week, something that pretty much guarantees revenue.
Why wouldn't they? Teslas are fine.
Musk being CEO is big part of Tesla's value tbf, not because he is brilliant but because he showed many times that he knows how to raise a value of Tesla's stock without actually doing anything significant regarding improving the product or Tesla's sales(doing illegal things that he shouldn't be doing is one of the reasons for that too).
Yeah I know that's what I meant. If you get to keep Musk the only reason you wouldn't take Tesla over VW is if you hate money.
Probably on drugs.
Seems to be taking not getting twitter well.
Is this due to tax as well. In some countries if your house is bigger than a certain area you have to pay extra tax on it. So rich get their companies/relatives to buy portion of the houses.
The Gates tweet was apparently because Musk found out he was still shorting Tesla. 
some texts between them leaked too
This isn't real ffs.
Isnt that also kind of illegal?
I think making up stuff is covered by the first amendment.
Musk saying it's true. Such a numpty.
When people tell you to let rich people amass ungodly fortunes because philanthropy is better than the state. This is what we actually get.
The idea that Bill Gates and Elon can set the agenda's to their flavour of the moment hype projects makes me want to projectile vomit.
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this guy is one dumb mofo
That's just a subway carriage with a swimming pool. Will easily be able to have that on the hyperloop.Not sure tunnels are immune to heavy rainfall
He's still pushing the tesla taxi tunnels? Christ how money can he literally throw down a hole and doesn't matter?
thats so sick
It is.
But so is the fact you could go back to 80,000BC and earn £10,000 a day and still not have as much money as Musk does.(Edit, before he bought Twitter, allegedly)
That's beyond comprehension to most people.
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How did he get so rich btw? Tesla doesn't come across as one od the most incredibly successfully businesses of all time. All of his other businesses, pay pal aside, also don't come across as ones that would be raking in the dollars. Is it more to do with his legions of online fanboys drooling over his every word and hence, image building? Or is it because he owns more shares in his companies as opposed to a Bezos or Gates?
Ah. Comrade Joe Biden and the radical Democrats.