Cantonagotmehere
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Absolute madman. Both the assault itself and his response afterwards are an absolute disgrace.
I could not believe what I was watching, I was thinking he had a head injury and was wonky. WTF.
Absolute madman. Both the assault itself and his response afterwards are an absolute disgrace.
I thought this thread was bumped due to him setting up the penalty situation, or the other two times when his direct passing led to a clear cut chance. Bit of a lunatic though of course.He came out and headed the ball? Isn’t it said that a goalkeeper who comes out to deal with a situation and takes everything out with him is a good thing? Don’t think he’s done much wrong there in that sense ... in fact, can understand why he does come out because he can see the whole situation unfolding. Plus he headed it, so put himself at risk too. This wasn’t a cowards challenge like Schumacher or going feet first. Collisions are part and parcel. Lack of concern for Garcia was very odd though.
He came out and headed the ball? Isn’t it said that a goalkeeper who comes out to deal with a situation and takes everything out with him is a good thing? Don’t think he’s done much wrong there in that sense ... in fact, can understand why he does come out because he can see the whole situation unfolding. Plus he headed it, so put himself at risk too. This wasn’t a cowards challenge like Schumacher or going feet first. Collisions are part and parcel. Lack of concern for Garcia was very odd though.
He came out and headed the ball? Isn’t it said that a goalkeeper who comes out to deal with a situation and takes everything out with him is a good thing? Don’t think he’s done much wrong there in that sense ... in fact, can understand why he does come out because he can see the whole situation unfolding. Plus he headed it, so put himself at risk too. This wasn’t a cowards challenge like Schumacher or going feet first. Collisions are part and parcel. Lack of concern for Garcia was very odd though.
He came out and headed the ball? Isn’t it said that a goalkeeper who comes out to deal with a situation and takes everything out with him is a good thing? Don’t think he’s done much wrong there in that sense ... in fact, can understand why he does come out because he can see the whole situation unfolding. Plus he headed it, so put himself at risk too. This wasn’t a cowards challenge like Schumacher or going feet first. Collisions are part and parcel. Lack of concern for Garcia was very odd though.
Edersons fists were in front of his chest bracing himself for contact, and ensuring that he dealt damage to whomever he clattered into.
Poor goalkeeping overall and had it been an opponent he clattered, would have been a red card.
Reckless and harmful.
Surely it could be a red card regardless. It was incredibly dangerous and just because he accidentally hit his own team mate doesn't make it ok.
Is the purpose of a straight red not to remove a dangerous individual from the pitch who could harm other players?
EDIT: Jeff Winter says it here too RE Bowyer and Dyer. 54 seconds.
Come on, take a minute and think, you can't punish a team potentionally laving them with 9 players when another player is the victim of the action, it would be absurd. Ederson comes out and takes Eric Garcia out, Ederson gets a red card, Garcia is out of the game, if City can't make subs in one action they lose 2 players without gaining any advantage from it, are they going to signal a foul for City and keep the game going like it's not the dumbest thing to do in the world?.
Nevermind other implications, if you can punish players for actions like that against their teammates, in a couple years you're going to have rival players cicling a ref because a defender and a midfielder went for a tackle at the same time and one took the other out, or defenders heading themselves on set pieces, or a GK knocking up a defender on a corner...
In the case of Bowyer vs Dier is not as much about harming each other, but unsportsmanlike behaviour, they're not supposed to enter on a fist fight in the middle of the pitch, be it against a rival, the ref, the fans or a teammate.
Come on, take a minute and think, you can't punish a team potentionally leaving them with 9 players when another player is the victim of the action, it would be absurd. Ederson comes out and takes Eric Garcia out, Ederson gets a red card, Garcia is out of the game, if City can't make subs in one action they lose 2 players without gaining any advantage from it, are they going to signal a foul for City and keep the game going like it's not the dumbest thing to do in the world?.
Nevermind other implications, if you can punish players for actions like that against their teammates, in a couple years you're going to have rival players circling a ref because a defender and a midfielder went for a tackle at the same time and one took the other out, or defenders heading themselves on set pieces, or a GK knocking up a defender on a corner...
In the case of Bowyer vs Dier is not as much about harming each other, but unsportsmanlike behaviour, they're not supposed to enter on a fist fight in the middle of the pitch, be it against a rival, the ref, the fans or a teammate.
Come on, take a minute and think, you can't punish a team potentionally leaving them with 9 players when another player is the victim of the action, it would be absurd. Ederson comes out and takes Eric Garcia out, Ederson gets a red card, Garcia is out of the game, if City can't make subs in one action they lose 2 players without gaining any advantage from it, are they going to signal a foul for City and keep the game going like it's not the dumbest thing to do in the world?.
Nevermind other implications, if you can punish players for actions like that against their teammates, in a couple years you're going to have rival players circling a ref because a defender and a midfielder went for a tackle at the same time and one took the other out, or defenders heading themselves on set pieces, or a GK knocking up a defender on a corner...
In the case of Bowyer vs Dier is not as much about harming each other, but unsportsmanlike behaviour, they're not supposed to enter on a fist fight in the middle of the pitch, be it against a rival, the ref, the fans or a teammate.
He came out and headed the ball? Isn’t it said that a goalkeeper who comes out to deal with a situation and takes everything out with him is a good thing? Don’t think he’s done much wrong there in that sense ... in fact, can understand why he does come out because he can see the whole situation unfolding. Plus he headed it, so put himself at risk too. This wasn’t a cowards challenge like Schumacher or going feet first. Collisions are part and parcel. Lack of concern for Garcia was very odd though.
If a defender did that to a striker running towards him it would be a red without any question.Your way off the mark.
There is collisions and there is reckless endangerment. He saw the group of players approaching, ran full speed and dove into them using his fists to protect himself. You can't call it an accident, an injury to one or more of those four players was inevitable.
He could have crippled or killed a man. It's a straight red.
He'd be ejected if that hit took place in the NFL.Its sort of the worst tackler you can hope to get.
... In NFL
...... with a helmet on
I even think they should considering banning Ederson in retrospective
Come on, take a minute and think, you can't punish a team potentionally leaving them with 9 players when another player is the victim of the action, it would be absurd. Ederson comes out and takes Eric Garcia out, Ederson gets a red card, Garcia is out of the game, if City can't make subs in one action they lose 2 players without gaining any advantage from it, are they going to signal a foul for City and keep the game going like it's not the dumbest thing to do in the world?.
Nevermind other implications, if you can punish players for actions like that against their teammates, in a couple years you're going to have rival players circling a ref because a defender and a midfielder went for a tackle at the same time and one took the other out, or defenders heading themselves on set pieces, or a GK knocking up a defender on a corner...
In the case of Bowyer vs Dier is not as much about harming each other, but unsportsmanlike behaviour, they're not supposed to enter on a fist fight in the middle of the pitch, be it against a rival, the ref, the fans or a teammate.
Surely it could be a red card regardless. It was incredibly dangerous and just because he accidentally hit his own team mate doesn't make it ok.
Is the purpose of a straight red not to remove a dangerous individual from the pitch who could harm other players?
EDIT: Jeff Winter says it here too RE Bowyer and Dyer. 54 seconds.
Yeah this
Shocking in the moment, his reaction was very off putting, and he should be getting a talking to all week in training.
But given that this happened with Garcia (a defender with not much experience of playing with Ederson), and I don't recall this happening before, I'm inclined to write this off as a mistake. Glad Garcia is ok, could have been much worse.
Should be updated in the thread title to be honest.cnut.
Of course it was a mistake. I highly doubt he did it with the intention of smacking into his own teammate. But that doesn't negate the fact that it was completely reckless and endangers the safety of another player. The fact it was his own teammate shouldn't come into the equation.
SERIOUS FOUL PLAY
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
VIOLENT CONDUCT
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
No, just no.
You want your goalkeeper to not shy away from putting himself in harms way when required, but that's entirely different from going into duels endangering other players.
He's an absolute tool for going out there in the first place. Garcia has the situation under control, his position is perfect and there's 2 outfield players he can pass the ball to if he doesn't want to clear it. Ederson comes flying in without even shouting, arms lifted to protect himself, and completely knocks out Garcia who is focusing on the ball. Even if he didn't clatter the feck out of him and forcing the ref to stop play, his stupidity means that City have gone from being fully in control of the situation to an Arsenal player receiving the ball out wide with Ederson miles away from goal.
Ederson gets the square root of feck all correct in that situation.
Update on Garcia: he's been discharged from hospital.
Yeah, there’s pictures on social media of him with his arm around him.That’s a relief, because it looked scary at the time. I wonder if his teammate who did the damage bothered checking on him.
Yeah, there’s pictures on social media of him with his arm around him.
OR uses excessive force or Brutality.Just checked the Laws of the Game and I think he gets off on a technicality.
If he’s challenging for the ball he can only be sent off for serious foul play. In which case he has to endanger an opponent. Violent conduct will allow a player to be sent off for using excessive force/brutality or punching anyone else on the pitch. But this has to happen when not challenging for the ball.
So the ref made the right decision.
Although I would argue that the law is an ass here...
Disagree about that. That was a potentially dangerous moment for Arsenal. Watching that you cannot say for sure Garcia has it under control + it’s a bouncing ball and Ederson makes the decision early that he can get there first and deal with it, which is correct. Now, just because he was reckless does not mean the decision was wrong. The decision was fine, he dealt with it, it was how he achieved it that was the issue.
I agree with those saying he should be sent off, though. Keepers are given far too much freedom to disregard an opponent’s (or teammate in this case) safety in challenging for the ball. Remember the Spurs Chelsea penalty earlier this season where the keeper charged into Alonso and the ref gave a freekick to Spurs before VAR overruled it thankfully? Sums up how a refs instinct in any collision involving a GK is to side with them.