He was truly electrifying.
We agreed the transfer fee as well as his wages. It was his agent's commission that made SAF pull out of his transfer. I remember reading that Fergie thought his agent was too greedy, but sadly he didn't know that this was going to be the new norm.Isn’t he another one who looked like signing for us but then Chelsea pinched him? Like Robben, Essien, Ballack etc. It seemed at one point we were doing their scouting for them.
I remember him as being near unplayable against us. Great player at his peakAlthough I recognize that he was an absolutely briliant dribbler, I've always found his style of dribbling very dull to watch; it's similar to Messi, but even less elegant. And no, I'm not saying that because of the lack of tricks - which I don't even appreciate that much; maybe is his stocky body that make his movement looks "heavy"(not slow though; he was very agile), I don't know...
Crazy transfer. I wonder if he will sit down in a few years and discuss what happened because he was comfortably one of the best players in Europe and the moment he moved to Madrid he entered retirement mode which seems absurd
I remember him as being near unplayable against us. Great player at his peak
In fact, my favourite players I've seen who never played for United:
He's right up there
- Zidane
- Kaka
- Ronaldinho
- Messi
- Henry
- Hazard
- Xavi
- Pirlo
- Riquelme
- Sneijder
Didn't his ankle just give up on him after years of being kicked in the PL? Sure players with a different work ethic may have been able to mitigate it but he wasn't ever going to start working hard in the gym/in rehab once it started to go.
I love this dude. If I was an insanely talented player, I'd probably have the saw attitude.
You missed Robben in there.In fact, my favourite players I've seen who never played for United:
He's right up there
- Zidane
- Kaka
- Ronaldinho
- Messi
- Henry
- Hazard
- Xavi
- Pirlo
- Riquelme
- Sneijder
I love this dude. If I was an insanely talented player, I'd probably have the saw attitude.
He absolutely did fulfill his talent. You can argue he didn't have the longevity, but Hazard at his prime was unplayable. If you say that about Hazard, you can say it about nearly every other player.Not surprised by that quote. Had top level ability, but never truly fulfilled it because he lacked the absolute elite mentality of the top players. He can still look back and say I had a good (even great) career, but with his talent he could have been higher than players like Rooney or Bale and instead he’s a tier of two behind them.
Hazard started playing lots of games earlier than most. Players tend to have a similar length of career at their peak and the ones that start early ends it early with some exceptions. As an example with all his injuries since 2019 Hazard still registered more minutes than someone like Salah since their debut. Hazard is simply a player that had lots of mileage early and consistently.
He was like 17 when he started playing in Lille's first team, wasn't he? He isn't the first nor will he be the last player to start so early and then fall off by the time he's 30.
Neymar was similar: at 18, he was playing almost every game for Santos(although Brazilian league isn't as physical as Ligue 1, our clubs have much more games per season than in Europe).From memory yes 17. At 18 he was playing more than most 18 years and by 19 he was starting nearly every games possible. For some reason, writing that reminded me Brendan Gallagher, he was a high load player until his body decided to quit.
Makes it even more impressive that Fergie guided United to more titles than City and Chelsea combined after Chelsea's take over. Chelsea and City's spending was insane in that period, while they were both spending £400m every few years, there was a summer when our most expensive signing was Bebe.Isn’t he another one who looked like signing for us but then Chelsea pinched him? Like Robben, Essien, Ballack etc. It seemed at one point we were doing their scouting for them.
I miss the fecker. What a glorious 7 years it was. It was fecking privilege to watch him every week.
Although I recognize that he was an absolutely briliant dribbler, I've always found his style of dribbling very dull to watch; it's similar to Messi, but even less elegant. And no, I'm not saying that because of the lack of tricks - which I don't even appreciate that much; maybe is his stocky body that make his movement looks "heavy"(not slow though; he was very agile), I don't know...
You missed Robben in there.
Neymar was similar: at 18, he was playing almost every game for Santos(although Brazilian league isn't as physical as Ligue 1, our clubs have much more games per season than in Europe).
Didn't his ankle just give up on him after years of being kicked in the PL? Sure players with a different work ethic may have been able to mitigate it but he wasn't ever going to start working hard in the gym/in rehab once it started to go.
He was there, then I remembered Wesley... It's actually much harder than I thought... No place for RonaldoYou missed Robben in there.
The ball just stuck to his feet when on form. Almost Messi-esqueImpressive list. Personally, I think Hazard became a bit of a two-season hit. And he never made an impact at Int'l level really... a shame. Was a super player for a couple of seasons though.
My favourites don't equate to skill. Robben... Is a bit of a doucheA strong list but agree Robben should fit in there. I was hoping Antony would be 1/10th of the player he was, but hasn't materialised
I miss the fecker. What a glorious 7 years it was. It was fecking privilege to watch him every week.
I don't want to be a prick, but I can't remember any era that Brazilian football was notably "physical"; even in South America our league isn't remarkable for that.The Brazilian league is fairly physical(or at least used to be) and he used to be targeted by oppositions. But yes Neymar is an other example of a player with high mileage at an early age and his total minutes are not that far from Salah in spite of years with big injuries.
He was good at his prime but it’s levels below the truly elite players because he simply failed to impact the biggest games and tournaments. He had the ability to score 30-40 goals a season and truly dominate the top but wasn’t driven enough to play that way.He absolutely did fulfill his talent. You can argue he didn't have the longevity, but Hazard at his prime was unplayable. If you say that about Hazard, you can say it about nearly every other player.
I'm not sure because Messi and Neymar have gotten kicked and fouled a lot in Spain. Elite dribblers just get roughed up wherever they go unfortunately.Spot on. If I'm remembering correctly, for most of his time in the PL he was the most fouled player in Europe's top 5 leagues. It was the culmination of his elite dribbling and control, the physicality of the PL, and refs not offering him much protection. He may have lasted longer had he gone directly to Spain. But as you say, his work ethic prevented any sort of mitigation.