Hazard and Jovic will be on the bench by Christmas. Neither suit the RM game style.
Eden Hazard | "It's time to enjoy life drinking beers"
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Could be the Belgian waffles and beer....
But reckon it's a combination of letting themselves go from their strict diets during the season or a tendency to just put on weight quicker when not in training and not adjusting their diet accordingly. Look at Shaw from a season or two ago, that was all over the papers. Reckon all these players will put on weight quit quickly when they retire - then you get ex players like Teddy and Lineker who look amazing for their age
Rios probably right in saying he left at the wrong time. He should have left Chelsea a few years ago because it looks like he needs a year or so like Modric to settle in.
He does go through long quiet spells, when he does play well the hype goes into overdrive so we'll see if that continues.
I think he would still face the same problem. He has always struck me as a player that just wants to enjoy his football without pressure.
Madrid is the worst club for a player like that. Worse if he is expected to be the main man.
Hazard is really good, when he can be bothered.
You're right. Hazard has been the more productive player out of the two throughout their careers, is much more entertaining and creative to watch, and also if we go by team accomplishments (which in fairness, I hate to do) has also won far more.
You've convinced me. Mane is mentally weak.
he will come good at Real and i think he will be a better player than he was a Chelsea
Hazard is a player that turns up in big games, we saw it in the PL when he was turning up against Utd, Pool, Arsenal, Spurs and sometimes goes missing in other games.
He has a habit of being inconsistent season to season.
With La liga not having that many big games, will we see the best of him?
He has a habit of being inconsistent season to season.
With La liga not having that many big games, will we see the best of him?
It's really not a ridiculous statement. On talent Hazard is up there with all those players but in reality he's a million miles away. He's always been overrated primarily because he's a classically 'pretty' player. Nice dribbling, body feints and pace but nowhere near enough end product compared to the very best. I've seen people putting him on the same level as someone like Neymar before but from where i'm sitting Neymar has all of the same ability combined with far greater goalscoring prowess. I have long believed that Hazard will struggle at Madrid, lacks the proper mentality in my opinion.
Wow there's a lot of overreaction to him playing badly in his first start of the season in what will be one of the toughest grounds they go to all year. This is crazy knee jerking even by the standards of the Caf.
People tend to brush it under the carpet, but he was also jeered at United. Primarily for being an insufferable twat off the field, and an arrogant preening primadonna on it, especially during the last year.
PEOple really need to start giving players more than 6 games before they judge them unanimously, especially if said player has given you evidence beforehand to vouch for his ability.
Neymar isn't a level above any of those players.
out of curiosity, how was the Mourinho-Hazard relationship at Chelsea?
became tense? were there press conferences in which he reproached his attitude or things like that?
became tense? were there press conferences in which he reproached his attitude or things like that?
Hazard praised Jose and said he would like to work with him again, or he answered saying Jose when he was asked about working with one coach again.
Thanks! That's great, what I wanted to read
Jose's on his way back?
I would prefer that the team react and that Zidane have more time and power, including the winter market, but I fear that the pro Mourinho campaign is getting stronger every day, so it is a real possibility.
I think so too. As a fan of a team who have employed him twice I have mixed feelings to say the least. He needs to change his approach and attitude. His tactics are also getting a bit predictable and negative. It would be a miracle if he had success at another top club. RM should steer clear but as you say, there is a momentum building.
Apparently he is in a learning process and will change his assistants.
If he learns from his mistakes in the past, work in tune with the club(without that vindictive character with players/press) he could be able to get people excited and a well worked team.
What would bother me is that they do not respond to Zidane's requests and later they give to Mourinho total freedom and excessive privileges when choosing the squad.
I never understood why Real were after Hazard when they needed someone who will be an out and out goal scorer. Instead of wasting 100 odd million on Hazard, they should have gone all out for Salah or Neymar or Mbappe. Similarly don't understand their obsession with Pogba. He is another player they could do without. Not that Pogba or Hazard are not world class but they need to rebuild their squad in a different way.
Isn't this what they signed Jovic for?
Jovic has had just one good season so far and is just 21. It is foolish to expect he will suddenly replace most of ROnaldo's goals. This is why a Neymar or Mbappe would have been a better choice. Jovic is not a bad signing but him having the likes of Neymar scoring plenty would take pressure of him.
Very soon, he will remember fondly the Chelsea fans
That was the way Chelsea is set up but will be different in Madrid.
1. His talent doesn't command that level of respect yet. Only Ronaldo Messi and Neymar can walk into Madrid and get that
2. Madrid does not have the supporting cast to mop up after him when he loses possession. Picture Kroos Marcelo and Ramos busting their guts to win back the ball and give to Hazard who ends up losing possession for the 3rd time in a row
3. He needs to develop other areas of his game like making smart runs and shooting. Waiting for the ball to his feet at a club like Madrid filled with superstars won't happen just like that. Modric Kroos Benzema, Bale James etc all used to be the main stars and ball carriers for their NT previous clubs before coming to Madrid and they had to adjust to their new reality
4. He is probably one of the least accomplished players in the team, He doesn't even have a CL final to his name yet. So why should his teammates trust him with that.
5. There is a possibility that some of the teammates didn't really want him and he was a management buy, Some wanted Ronaldo to stay, some preferred other options like Neymar and Mbappe
I think he'll struggle in Madrid.
Too high expectations. He won't come close to replicating Ronaldos numbers.
Too high expectations. He won't come close to replicating Ronaldos numbers.
He should do that already. They sang his name right up to the end. It was only after Conte won the League the following season that they realised he was more than likely to have been a large part of the problem.
It was his first start after coming back from injury guys.... Expected him to get at least 5 game before being declared a huge flop
He may not have realized his potential due to his mentality and attitude problems but in terms of natural ability he's got more than anyone out there, bar Messi and Ronaldo, of course. Just my opinion.
Nobody expects him to come close to Ronnies numbers. He wasn't bought for that. He's a playmaking forward who sometimes scores. He's not like Neymar, a playmaker who scores a lot. 20 goals and 20 assists would be more than reasonable.
But Madrid fans are spoiled brats to begin with, and you can be the best players but when you act like a drama queen every summer to get a bumper deal, it’s going to rub some people the wrong way regardless of how many goals you score, especially if you only get 2 ligas in 9 years. Champions league success is huge, but don’t underestimate the impact of winning La Liga to Madrid fans.
It’s not insane. He’s the best player on a team that was designed around him to make him score. This was a great team obviously but doesn’t it fall on the best player if the team fails to achieve its goals? If we blame Messi for Argentina’s shortcomings, CR7 absolutely deserves some blame for only mustering 2 Ligas in 9 years in what’s essentially a 2 and a half horse race.
The reason is the price. Had Hazard had more than one year remaining on his contract he would have stayed in his club the same way Salah, Neymar or Mbappe have.
Why the feck are you not our SD
Needless to say i agree 100%. Either Mane or Salah for that matter
Not that i'm unhappy with Hazard, mind, i think he'll do well. He's just not what we needed
The few times he was jeered it was for perceived selfishness. Like taking a bad shot when he had an open teammate for an open goal tap in. Stuff like that
Yes, pretty much like blaming Stockton and Malone for not winning an NBA ring.
Are you trying to say Messi and Barcelona were like MJ and the Bulls in 7 of those 9 years? It's a really poor comparison on top of that because Stockton and Malone were 2/5 of the team on the floor for most of the game, so of course they deserve some blame even though MJ was the GOAT, he wasn't at the peak of his powers in 98 and Malone got stripped in the last minute for The Shot in game 6. If you want to act like they had nothing to do with the loss, you're wrong. Let's not act like Real Madrid was an inferior squad to Barcelona for all 7 of the 9 years they didn't win it (let's not even take into account that Atletico won once during that time). The simple fact is that 2 Ligas in 9 years is a very poor return from Madrid and CR7 who had the team built around him. You can mention all of the goals he's scored, and they are an impressive number, but when it mattered most in domestic competition, they fell short and fair or not it's going to fall the most on the guy who has the team built around him entirely to make him produce those numbers (not that being actually able to produce them is something to turn up your nose at).
The situation Hazard is in is very different because this current Madrid IS inferior to those squads, he's gotten himself into a situation where it's going to be very difficult to please those fans and I can see a lot of turbulent times ahead still, not to mention he's far from being at 100% fitness.
I can read Spanish fine, not native, but it good enough for what I need, but you seem to have got problems with English, or instead of repeating the same nonsense over and over again, and calling it "my opinion on SAF's view on Perez and Madrid" you'd be reading SAF's book for his views, which allign with Sir Bobby's, not a random comment at the heat of moment (during peak Calderon, who is btw a very disliked figure among the fans) where everyone just says anything to make a point.
As a Chelsea fan, and I'm sure a few more will echo my thoughts, Hazard was too inconsistent for us. He disappeared for us in too many games, mostly only stepping it up in the big games. Only scored more than 20 goals in a season once and slowed the game down far too much.
Given the option I wouldn't have him back now (although I might be in the minority in that regard).
Given the option I wouldn't have him back now (although I might be in the minority in that regard).
He had a tendency to hold onto the ball doing nothing for far too long, but he was also the player who bailed you out more often than anyone else. I think you'll struggle over the season without him. You have a couple of really good young players and a couple of other promising ones, but the problem there is you wont get consistency and you wont get the match winning moments to compensate for the lack of consistency. Hazard could win you a game whenthe team was struggling or not playing well. Players like that are quite rare and make a big difference over the course of a season.
He'll struggle at Real by the looks of it...but the management and setup there seems to be an utter joke at the moment, and he doesn't strike me as the Ronaldo type who will be self motivating.