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We fecked up this round but not with the likes of Zanetti, rules were clear and i even explained before the first pickwas made that the window for those players is open.
What constitutes as playing at a position? 1 game or 1 season or majority of the career?

Majority of the peak or if you want to use pre/post peak version drop a PM so we can check and discuss but in that case you would have to emphasize that on formation picture.
What's the point of having a defender who played 50 or 100 games as a winger to be judged on the same 50/100 goals scale? No striker aside from a very few can score 50 goals in 50 games, so that's basically every fullback who had a stint as a winger available.
 
Except, he doesnt need to play as a winger.

Guess we'll have to repeat that a ton of times in the game threads :lol:
Oh, I understand it. What I'm saying is that if I'll see Zanetti as a fullback, I'll judge him there as a shit winger :)

I know that I probably look like a sore loser or something, but it just doesn't feel right with me. More so than wiki mess as they're, at least, picking offensive players like the criteria states.

It's probably because I was in awe of a mind who created this brutal criteria and completely disappointed with the outcome.
 
What's the point of having a defender who played 50 or 100 games as a winger to be judged on the same 50/100 goals scale? No striker aside from a very few can score 50 goals in 50 games, so that's basically every fullback who had a stint as a winger available.

50+ games is hardly a stint, overall its more then one full season so it shows a player is more then capable of playing there. I really dont see whats the fuss, there is nobody outside the draft community that votes so every vote will be familiar with the situation, if you dont rate that version of Zanetti(or who ever gets picked from now on) then asses the game in that way and player name will become meaningless.
 
I know that I probably look like a sore loser or something, but it just doesn't feel right with me. More so than wiki mess as they're, at least, picking offensive players like the criteria states.

I'd probably react the same way you are. It has become a little messy and I am just enjoying being on the happy side of things :lol:

But its funny no one got pissed with Di Livio pick. Its not the rule that has pissed everyone, its the quality of player that sneaked through :lol:
 
anyways that topic is closed as far mods are concerned, you guys can keep crying about while we enjoy a little bit of K.A. who is absolutely loving life.
 
It just feels a bit daft that we were after forwards and wingers to fit a certain criteria but you’re then gonna play them in defence.

It’s clever and well thought but against the spirit of the game imo. Almost as bad as the strikers who never scored
 
50+ games is hardly a stint, overall its more then one full season so it shows a player is more then capable of playing there. I really dont see whats the fuss, there is nobody outside the draft community that votes so every vote will be familiar with the situation, if you dont rate that version of Zanetti(or who ever gets picked from now on) then asses the game in that way and player name will become meaningless.
Because the criteria of goals is based on the whole career. And not on a full season. So a defender who spent a season or two as a winger and a winger that spent 15 seasons as a winger have to not hit the same mark of 50 goals. Which is absurd.
 
I'd probably react the same way you are. It has become a little messy and I am just enjoying being on the happy side of things :lol:

But its funny no one got pissed with Di Livio pick. Its not the rule that has pissed everyone, its the quality of player that sneaked through :lol:
I didn’t like it either, but I’d call him a winger, albeit a clearly defensive one. I’m not sure how much of his career did he spent in each role. I know about Zanetti and Zambrotta though.
 
Lottery winner gets Javier Zanetti on loan for the first round. : P
 
Nice draft with very interesting players.

If I had the opportunity to explain you that Baresi was a fantastic winger, I would do it without problem on the basis of established facts of course

There's no way Di Livio, Zanetti or Zambrotta should be considered as wingers or offensive players. Their appearances out wide in midfield were as wide midfielders, wing-backs or as side-central-midfielders in midfield trios. Serie A rarely does wingers.

RACIST LOOOL
 
Di livio is a clear winger mate, defensive one but he played on the right in front of a fullback for majority of his career.
Zanetti obviously isnt a winger but we allowed to pick players that can play position but maybe that isnt their natural, thus the 50 cap rule which Zanetti destroys by a double.

As for wingers, personally i count right/left midfielders as wingers so di livio is a clear winger for me. I mean if those positions are not wingers then Beckham isnt one....

Well to me a defensive winger would be more like a Durk Kuyt on the right of a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 - an actual forward performing a defensive function. Di Livio was basically either a wing-back or a side-central midfielder in a 4-3-1-2, which is big in Serie A. When Juve played a full 4-3-3, the front three was made up of Vialli, Ravanelli and Del Piero. And everyone else was just a mad dog tearing around to win the ball back.

Here's Di Livio's only appearance as RW on Transfermarkt:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/990518

So Lombardo, the most orthodox right winger of all time, is holding on the left side of central midfield, next to Zidane the 10, while Di Livio is up on the right wing. That's clearly a load of bollocks.

To be honest I think Transfermarkt have done the committee over here. Here's a typical Zanetti 'winger' role on Transfermarkt:

https://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/971649
https://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/988732

That's just a central midfield gig with some responsibility for covering out wide.

I take your point about Beckham though. That's where it gets tricky between position and role. England played Waddle and Barnes out wide in a 4-4-2 and both are classic wingers, yet often internationally they hacked away as wide midfielders. But as players they clearly have highly offensive roles in their skillsets, whereas the likes of Di Livio, Zambrotta, etc were mostly grafters known for their work off the ball.

To be honest @Šjor Bepo it's a great criteria - always love the creative ones - as the best part of sheep drafts are these grey areas where everyone falls out. Can't beat it.
 
Well to me a defensive winger would be more like a Durk Kuyt on the right of a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 - an actual forward performing a defensive function. Di Livio was basically either a wing-back or a side-central midfielder in a 4-3-1-2, which is big in Serie A. When Juve played a full 4-3-3, the front three was made up of Vialli, Ravanelli and Del Piero. And everyone else was just a mad dog tearing around to win the ball back.

Here's Di Livio's only appearance as RW on Transfermarkt:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/990518

So Lombardo, the most orthodox right winger of all time, is holding on the left side of central midfield, next to Zidane the 10, while Di Livio is up on the right wing. That's clearly a load of bollocks.

To be honest I think Transfermarkt have done the committee over here. Here's a typical Zanetti 'winger' role on Transfermarkt:

https://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/971649
https://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/988732

That's just a central midfield gig with some responsibility for covering out wide.

I take your point about Beckham though. That's where it gets tricky between position and role. England played Waddle and Barnes out wide in a 4-4-2 and both are classic wingers, yet often internationally they hacked away as wide midfielders. But as players they clearly have highly offensive roles in their skillsets, whereas the likes of Di Livio, Zambrotta, etc were mostly grafters known for their work off the ball.

To be honest @Šjor Bepo it's a great criteria - always love the creative ones - as the best part of sheep drafts are these grey areas where everyone falls out. Can't beat it.

first wiki got the better of us then transfermarkt...we really are the 3 stooges:lol:
Regarding Di Livio, yeah 4312 was very popular though i recently watched their game against United where they played that system and id bet if you had a heat map he would probably have a truer RM zone then most actual right wingers. Saying that i saw him often play in 442 and 4411 so for me he is always going to be a good pick in terms of spirit of the draft.
 
Fernando de Napoli, played side midfielder/winger for both Napoli and Italy.

Paul Pogba
 
Might as well blow this open :lol:

1. Indy - 1) J. Cruyff 2) Rivaldo 3) M. Hummels 4) M. Rojo
2. Onenil 1) Zico 2) R. Baggio 3) Felix 4) Tostao 5) Cafu (AM9)
3. Big Dunk 1) M. van Basten 2) D. De Rossi 3) Everaldo 4) E. Albertosi 5) F. De Napoli (PP)
4. Physio- 1) G. Muller 2) A. Robben 3) H. Schumacher 4) S. Batista 5) 5) J-C. Oblitas (JLingz)
5. MSTQ 1) L. Matthaus 2. F. Gento 3) L. Riva 4) S. Mazzola 5) J. Zanetti (JLingz)
6. Zlatan 7 1) F. Rijkaard 2. Neymar 3) P. Lahm 4) L. Biglia 5) T. Brolin (#PP)
7. Himannv 1) Ronaldinho 2) D. Villa 3) E. Garay 4) E. Perez 5) P. Rocha (AMP)
8. Isotope 1) F. Puskás 2) C. Seedorf 3) Pumpido 4) R. Palacio 5) xxx (JLingz)
9. Stobzilla 1) R. Gullit 2) J. Giles 3) M. Bertini 4) G. Rivera 5) xxx
10. Berbasloth 1) R. Keane 2) Z. Ibrahimovic 3) S. Romero 4) P. Zabaleta 5) A. Di Livio (AM9)
11. Skizzo 1) Z. Zidane 2) T. Müller 3) R. Bonisegna 4) C. Kramer 5) L. Sharpe (AM9)
12. Moby 1) M. Platini 2) L. Suarez 3) A. Schurrle 4) F. Gago 5) Vava (AM9)
13. p-nut 1) L. Thuram 2) K. De Bruyne 3) B. Howedes 4) M. Klose 5) Eder (#PP)
14. harms 1) G. Best 2) D. Alves 3) M. Ozil 4) J. Boateng 5) R. Donadoni (#PP)
15. Enigma 1) Romario 2) E. Hazard 3) A. Domenghini 4) P. Mertesacker 5) B. Conti (#PP)
16. EAP 1) Xavi 2) F. Torres 3) K-H. Rummenigge 4) H-P. Briegel 5) M. Zagallo (JLingz)


@Stobzilla @Isotope

@Indnyc
 
1. Indy - 1) J. Cruyff 2) Rivaldo 3) M. Hummels 4) M. Rojo
2. Onenil 1) Zico 2) R. Baggio 3) Felix 4) Tostao 5) Cafu (AM9)
3. Big Dunk 1) M. van Basten 2) D. De Rossi 3) Everaldo 4) E. Albertosi 5) F. De Napoli (PP)
4. Physio- 1) G. Muller 2) A. Robben 3) H. Schumacher 4) S. Batista 5) 5) J-C. Oblitas (JLingz)
5. MSTQ 1) L. Matthaus 2. F. Gento 3) L. Riva 4) S. Mazzola 5) J. Zanetti (JLingz)
6. Zlatan 7 1) F. Rijkaard 2. Neymar 3) P. Lahm 4) L. Biglia 5) T. Brolin (#PP)
7. Himannv 1) Ronaldinho 2) D. Villa 3) E. Garay 4) E. Perez 5) P. Rocha (AMP)
8. Isotope 1) F. Puskás 2) C. Seedorf 3) Pumpido 4) R. Palacio 5) Zambrotta (JLingz)
9. Stobzilla 1) R. Gullit 2) J. Giles 3) M. Bertini 4) G. Rivera 5) xxx
10. Berbasloth 1) R. Keane 2) Z. Ibrahimovic 3) S. Romero 4) P. Zabaleta 5) A. Di Livio (AM9)
11. Skizzo 1) Z. Zidane 2) T. Müller 3) R. Bonisegna 4) C. Kramer 5) L. Sharpe (AM9)
12. Moby 1) M. Platini 2) L. Suarez 3) A. Schurrle 4) F. Gago 5) Vava (AM9)
13. p-nut 1) L. Thuram 2) K. De Bruyne 3) B. Howedes 4) M. Klose 5) Eder (#PP)
14. harms 1) G. Best 2) D. Alves 3) M. Ozil 4) J. Boateng 5) R. Donadoni (#PP)
15. Enigma 1) Romario 2) E. Hazard 3) A. Domenghini 4) P. Mertesacker 5) B. Conti (#PP)
16. EAP 1) Xavi 2) F. Torres 3) K-H. Rummenigge 4) H-P. Briegel 5) M. Zagallo (JLingz)


@Stobzilla @Indnyc
 
Versions of questioned players, those things will be visible on formation pictures as well.
Zanetti - 96-01
Zambrotta - 99-03
Cafu - Sao Paulo version
 
Versions of questioned players, those things will be visible on formation pictures as well.
Zanetti - 96-01
Zambrotta - 99-03
Cafu - Sao Paulo version
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So Cafu (& co) will be deployed as his early years winger self but possibly playing a defensive position.?

So basically gonna have a young inexperienced winger playing fullback? Or a young winger who wasn’t good enough to stay there and moved back into defence playing as a winger?

I’m happy with that :D
 
So Cafu (& co) will be deployed as his early years winger self but possibly playing a defensive position.?

So basically gonna have a young inexperienced winger playing fullback? Or a young winger who wasn’t good enough to stay there and moved back into defence playing as a winger?

I’m happy with that :D

Young Cafu played everywhere at Sao Paolo, RM, CM and RB.

I have watched his Sao Paolo RB games very recently some weeks ago with same suspicions of quality but he was brilliant unfortunately.

They were not even small games, big finals
 
Young Cafu played everywhere at Sao Paolo, RM, CM and RB.

I have watched his Sao Paolo RB games very recently some weeks ago with same suspicions of quality but he was brilliant unfortunately.

They were not even small games, big finals
Shhh. I’m trying to stoke the fire. Can’t have you rule benders having all your own way
 
Maybe I should say outside the box thinkers, more than rule breakers
 
dont do his work:devil:
I can change it if you guys don't approve. On his wiki, it was said as "Winger", started in 1994 at Como, to 2002/03 season at Juventus (1994-2003). Even in 2002 World Cup, he was playing as RM/Winger.
There goes about 8 years and around 200 games as winger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_G#Mexico_vs_Italy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_FIFA_World_Cup_knockout_stage#South_Korea_vs_Italy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianluca_Zambrotta

EDIT: dang, so it's already approved :D. Thanks @oneniltothearsenal
It's very sad i didn't get to find any video of Julinho. Just imagine the uproar.
 
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1. Indy - 1) J. Cruyff 2) Rivaldo 3) M. Hummels 4) M. Rojo 5) D. Rocastle (AM9)
2. Onenil 1) Zico 2) R. Baggio 3) Felix 4) Tostao 5) Cafu (AM9)
3. Big Dunk 1) M. van Basten 2) D. De Rossi 3) Everaldo 4) E. Albertosi 5) F. De Napoli (PP)
4. Physio- 1) G. Muller 2) A. Robben 3) H. Schumacher 4) S. Batista 5) 5) J-C. Oblitas (JLingz)
5. MSTQ 1) L. Matthaus 2. F. Gento 3) L. Riva 4) S. Mazzola 5) J. Zanetti (JLingz)
6. Zlatan 7 1) F. Rijkaard 2. Neymar 3) P. Lahm 4) L. Biglia 5) T. Brolin (#PP)
7. Himannv 1) Ronaldinho 2) D. Villa 3) E. Garay 4) E. Perez 5) P. Rocha (AMP)
8. Isotope 1) F. Puskás 2) C. Seedorf 3) Pumpido 4) R. Palacio 5) Zambrotta (JLingz)
9. Stobzilla 1) R. Gullit 2) J. Giles 3) M. Bertini 4) G. Rivera 5) xxx
10. Berbasloth 1) R. Keane 2) Z. Ibrahimovic 3) S. Romero 4) P. Zabaleta 5) A. Di Livio (AM9)
11. Skizzo 1) Z. Zidane 2) T. Müller 3) R. Bonisegna 4) C. Kramer 5) L. Sharpe (AM9)
12. Moby 1) M. Platini 2) L. Suarez 3) A. Schurrle 4) F. Gago 5) Vava (AM9)
13. p-nut 1) L. Thuram 2) K. De Bruyne 3) B. Howedes 4) M. Klose 5) Eder (#PP)
14. harms 1) G. Best 2) D. Alves 3) M. Ozil 4) J. Boateng 5) R. Donadoni (#PP)
15. Enigma 1) Romario 2) E. Hazard 3) A. Domenghini 4) P. Mertesacker 5) B. Conti (#PP)
16. EAP 1) Xavi 2) F. Torres 3) K-H. Rummenigge 4) H-P. Briegel 5) M. Zagallo (JLingz)
 
waiting on @Stobzilla to send his merch pick because we cant start the next round without it.
 
Would have been good to have sometime tonight to check next round instead of rushing tomorrow.

I was hoping he’d be back to pick by now :lol:
 
Round 6
Round 6
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Tribute to the modern managerial GOATs.
Its simple, if you picked a youth product JLingz you pick a player that was coached by Pep Guardiola. For AM9 you get a shiny new toy from the transfer dealings of the Jose Mourinho and last but not least, for picking #PP you can cherry pick from both areas of the business by having a free go from the pool of Big Sam.
To clarify, player coached by Pep is any player that was not signed by him or during his tenure.​
 
So since i picked AM9, i have to pick a player purchased by JM (not just coached), correct?
 
I'll take Ashley Cole

1. Indy - 1) J. Cruyff 2) Rivaldo 3) M. Hummels 4) M. Rojo 5) D. Rocastle (AM9) 6) A. Cole
2. Onenil 1) Zico 2) R. Baggio 3) Felix 4) Tostao 5) Cafu (AM9)
3. Big Dunk 1) M. van Basten 2) D. De Rossi 3) Everaldo 4) E. Albertosi 5) F. De Napoli (PP)
4. Physio- 1) G. Muller 2) A. Robben 3) H. Schumacher 4) S. Batista 5) 5) J-C. Oblitas (JLingz)
5. MSTQ 1) L. Matthaus 2. F. Gento 3) L. Riva 4) S. Mazzola 5) J. Zanetti (JLingz)
6. Zlatan 7 1) F. Rijkaard 2. Neymar 3) P. Lahm 4) L. Biglia 5) T. Brolin (#PP)
7. Himannv 1) Ronaldinho 2) D. Villa 3) E. Garay 4) E. Perez 5) P. Rocha (AMP)
8. Isotope 1) F. Puskás 2) C. Seedorf 3) Pumpido 4) R. Palacio 5) Zambrotta (JLingz)
9. Stobzilla 1) R. Gullit 2) J. Giles 3) M. Bertini 4) G. Rivera 5) xxx
10. Berbasloth 1) R. Keane 2) Z. Ibrahimovic 3) S. Romero 4) P. Zabaleta 5) A. Di Livio (AM9)
11. Skizzo 1) Z. Zidane 2) T. Müller 3) R. Bonisegna 4) C. Kramer 5) L. Sharpe (AM9)
12. Moby 1) M. Platini 2) L. Suarez 3) A. Schurrle 4) F. Gago 5) Vava (AM9)
13. p-nut 1) L. Thuram 2) K. De Bruyne 3) B. Howedes 4) M. Klose 5) Eder (#PP)
14. harms 1) G. Best 2) D. Alves 3) M. Ozil 4) J. Boateng 5) R. Donadoni (#PP)
15. Enigma 1) Romario 2) E. Hazard 3) A. Domenghini 4) P. Mertesacker 5) B. Conti (#PP)
16. EAP 1) Xavi 2) F. Torres 3) K-H. Rummenigge 4) H-P. Briegel 5) M. Zagallo (JLingz)

Block List: Ronaldo, Cristiano, Messi, Pele, Maradona, Di Stefano, Beckenbauer, Neeskens, Passarella, Kohler, Krol, Moore, Carlos Alberto, Nesta, Scirea, Facchetti, Batistuta, Garrincha, Figueroa, Eusebio, Charlton, Baresi, Maldini, Mascherano, Rivelino, Rugerri, Aguero, Neuer, Brehme, Rosato, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Forster, Clodoaldo

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