Voices in his head.
Douglas Costa
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Voices in his head.
We should be all over him and Sanchez in the summer
I haven't watch him this season but looking at stats he's been poor in his end product. What happened to him? Can any Bundesliga or Bayern fans let us know?
Personally I would like us to sign him since he's a natural winger and we don't have a natural winger anymore (except Young) but at the same time since our main problem is our end product which makes me doubt if he can solve our problem since his end product this season has been very poor.
Personally I would like us to sign him since he's a natural winger and we don't have a natural winger anymore (except Young) but at the same time since our main problem is our end product which makes me doubt if he can solve our problem since his end product this season has been very poor.
Caf be like
DDG - 100m no less.
Costa - no more than 25m
But come on. De Gea obviously worth more.World class and one of the best keeper who can be a game changer alongside Neuer (Buffon is going to retire so isn't counted) vs a natural winger with poor end product and struggle for games because of the non prime Ribery and Robben?
I'd be interested. People have cited that his end product isn't good enough, and if you're talking about goals that's true, but his delivery into the box is better than any player we currently have, and we've been severely lacking good delivery in recent years.
He is so fecking average. I really don't get the obsession this place has with average Brazilian players like Lucas Moura st PSG, Willian at Chelsea and recently Douglas Costa at Bayern.
The things they have in common are ridiculous pace, being Brazilian and skillful.
There's a reason why these players aren't succeeding at their respective top clubs and it's because those top clubs don't really need to use these kind of average players anymore and we shouldn't either. Most of the specific width(if needed at all) is provided by the fullbacks and good attacks are enabled by have fully functioning attacking systems/mechanism involving quick interchanges between technically gifted forwards players etc. Pace alone just doesn't cut it.
Our attack is dreadful but I think the blame goes beyond the front 3 or 4 forward players and adding these fast players wouldn't change much. The new popular line about we needing old school wingers is tiring.
I think fixing our fullback issues like signing both Mendy and Aurier would take our attack up a notch by proving support to our wide forwards(Martial for example on the left and we sign another productive wide forward for the right) and is a better option than signing these average so called wingers.
The things they have in common are ridiculous pace, being Brazilian and skillful.
There's a reason why these players aren't succeeding at their respective top clubs and it's because those top clubs don't really need to use these kind of average players anymore and we shouldn't either. Most of the specific width(if needed at all) is provided by the fullbacks and good attacks are enabled by have fully functioning attacking systems/mechanism involving quick interchanges between technically gifted forwards players etc. Pace alone just doesn't cut it.
Our attack is dreadful but I think the blame goes beyond the front 3 or 4 forward players and adding these fast players wouldn't change much. The new popular line about we needing old school wingers is tiring.
I think fixing our fullback issues like signing both Mendy and Aurier would take our attack up a notch by proving support to our wide forwards(Martial for example on the left and we sign another productive wide forward for the right) and is a better option than signing these average so called wingers.
I have not seen Costa often but everytime i have, he have been one of the best players on the field. And he was superb last season when i saw him in CL.
I am sure people also said the same thing about Mkhy last season.
Really? I certainly didn't. I pointed specifically to Mikhi's end product (he had insane numbers for goals and assists in 2015/16) as the main reason we should sign him. Never saw him as a conventional winger; he's an attacking midfielder who can play on either flank. I think most people just started calling him a RW because that was the obvious spot in our squad where we needed someone new.
He's an extremely onedimensional player who was able to shine for a while because Pep set us up in a way that compensated for his weaknesses. He was mostly isolated on the left wing, able to pick on single defenders with his pace and dribbling and then he would bring an extremely hard, flat cross into the back of the defense. That was basically all he ever did.
It worked because we had Lewandowski and Müller as the scorers. That season, we played almost always through the wings to get the ball to our two forwards.
If you are able to set him up like this, he's great. Otherwise he's bang average. Pacy, great shot, good dribbling. That's all there is to him. His crossing isn't even that good, to be honest. He just would cross all the time. Some of those had to lead to goals.
Costa under Pep is the definition of a system player. I highly doubt he will thrive nearly as much in other teams. The only other way he could be utilized effectively for me would be as a left midfielder in front of a back three. Like Cuadrado did at Juve.
If you are able to give him space and an opportunity to cross a lot, go for it. But don't expect wonders.
You pretty much just did. By calling it as insane numbers of assists is the same thing with calling his deliver into the box was better than any players what we had in 2015/2016.
I remember thinking he was one of the best wingers in the game up until last year. I seriously can't fathom how a player can technically not be good after such a season. A change of tactical set-up? Personnel? Probably wants to be a starter (which begs the question: why is he not?)? He was brilliant at providing width and was also a goal threat cutting in, would like to know what happened this season?
Bayern fans?
Bayern fans?
From your information about Douglas Costa he sounds like Willian (pretty average IMO), I can see Jose might interested to sign him. But I can't see that he has something that can solve our problems. I mean "crossing isn't even that good'' (pretty much one of our current problem) and "doesn't score a lot of goals''. I still remember we were linked with him when he was still with Gremio, I thought he was a no 10 and now he's a winger.
How good he is with his passing, movement/off ball and his work rate?
The guy is a leftie played as left winger, and the fan complains that all he does is blow past his man and cross the ball. What the feck is he supposed to do? When he plays on the right he does other things.
What changed from the first season? Tactically?
The most important question is - how is his finishing? I don't want another forward who doesn't know where the goal is, we already have enough of those.
You can't honestly think that assists = good delivery into the box from wide positions...
I didn't say he plays like Nani. I said rather he performs best when given consistent runs of games. He has become unhappy at Bayern due to game time being intermittent and his form has suffered. As a player he is not frustrating at all like Nani would be at times. If Ancelotti is dumb enough to lose him, and we don't go for him Pep will certainly aim to boot out Nolito for him
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People moaning about wingers who only beat fullbacks and cross all the time should remember how effective Valancia was as a wide man under Fergie in helping us dominate the league. Sometimes the rudimentary is most effective out wide to aid attacks Especially if you have brains in midfield and goals in your box.
Pep left and was replaced with one who rarely rotates his wingers.
I think he would fit really good in the PL. He is clearly at his best when he has lots of space and can just run past opponents. Against teams who are sitting deep, his crosses and passes are often quite inaccurate. His mentality is also questionable. There is a reason why many Bayern fans (myself included) want to get rid of him. As i said....i think the PL would be the right place for him, but i do not think that he would be the right player for you.
Makes too much sense, we'll get James instead and play him in the left.
That's funny as our team is crying out for a player like Nani was
Considering our lack of options on the wings and his experience at playing at the highest level, we would be silly not to be interested at that price.
If the fee said 45m euro I'd still be interested!
Guy is a beast, not really too fussed about this seasons performance... Lewa, Muller, Coman have struggled too under Carlo.
Guy is a beast, not really too fussed about this seasons performance... Lewa, Muller, Coman have struggled too under Carlo.
His passing is quite bad. St least compared to the rest of our team. His movement without the ball is not great, either. His work rate declined heavily in the last few months. Seems to me to be extremely reliant on his happiness at the club.
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Our wingers have to cut inside instead of going all the way to the goalline. They are not supposed to give us that much width anymore. Our full backs do this now.
I never say " from wide position". I said that by calling it as insane numbers of assists is the same thing with calling his deliver into the box was better than any players what we had in 2015/2016.
Valencia was a very good crosser in 2009/2010 though.
I think I will just have faith in Martial.
He will have to though next year when the stalwarts retire/fade away - Why are Bayern so keen to sell?
Id say good. Very good would be Beck or Dani Alves crossing level at whuch the crosser always picks put his man.
Valencia was simply the master at the low whipped in cross from the by line, or the float to the far post hit consistently to the same area of the box. He was a master of the percentages and IMO Douglas Costa is similar and that's why he was effective under Pep. Because Mueller and Lewandowski were available, they simply ensured they always attacked the areas he would supply the ball too. If we add a few clinical scores to our ranks, Douglas Costa would be a similar weapon. Our midfield would simply feed him the ball to an isolates fullback, and he:d simply suplly constant balls into the box. People under estimate how effective it can be. Monaco this season have plundered so many goals in all competitions by mastering the art of the consistent early cross into the box.
You're really arguing just to argue, because that's not what I meant and you know it. In the case of Costa, I was specifically referring to his delivery into the box (a phrase almost exclusively associated with crossing ability), while with Mikhi I was saying his hugely impressive productivity in 2015/16 (manifested in both goals and assists) was what convinced me he'd be a good signing. Assists certainly don't just refer to delivery into the box; they can include anything from crosses, to through balls, to knock-downs, to passes across the face of goal after being put clean through by someone else's through ball (and there was a bunch of debate at the time about whether his assists included penalties won as well). If you can't distinguish between those two I really don't know what else to tell you.
He is unhappy. They still have Coman and the have their eyes on Brandt. If they do secure Brandt as some believe they will, selling an unhappy Costa would be sound business.
So, he plays on the right? (He is a left-footed player so can cut-in from the right) - if it is a case of not being played in a system which suits his game, why the allegations against his attributes?
They'll still have to invest in a winger though. These days players are not happy being options but with an ageing Robben/Ribery, why would he not grab the chance to impress? anyway, if playing time is the only reason, I wouldn't mind seeing someone who can fecking cross in this team.
He looks drunk.
We bought Mkhy last time for the purpose of being our right winger who is creative and also had great end product last season with Dortmund. And deliver ball into the box are also including "crossings, through ball, flat crosses, long ball" which again can also be considered to be part of assists. If you don't think Mkhy weren't good with his deliver into the box then you must have missed Aubameyang tap in goals from Mkhy's delivery.
Beck was one of the best not just "very good". Valencia 2009/2010 crossings were very good and Rooney loved them.
No he plays mostly on the left (which i don't really understand to be honest) but with Ancelotti our wingers don't play as wide as under Pep.
Peps real formation in attack:
------------------Lewy--Müller-------------------
Winger------------------------------------Winger
---------Fullback--CM--CM--Fullback-----------
--------------------CB--CB-----------------------
Under Ancelotti its more like:
----------Winger----Lewy----Winger----------------
Fullback----------CM---CM------------------Fullback
----------------------DM------------------------------
--------------------CB---CB---------------------------
Due to this Costa (but also Coman) played significantly worse this season, because under Pep they always faced 1 vs. 1 situations where they could just use their speed to run past opponents. Costa isn't really suited for this role, a player like Sanchez would be nearly perfect.
From what i've seen of you this season, i don't think that he would fit perfectly to you. Additionally i'm not sure if a player with his mentality would be Mourinhos best friend.
The Juve rumor makes sense...he could be an immense left wingback, bascially a Cuadrado for the left side.
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