Who is foolish enough to spend 20m for him ?
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Who is foolish enough to spend 20m for him ?
Still can't believe we paid so much(€35m) for such a Nothing player. I've watched him quite a lot but still if I'm asked "what his strength are" I'll struggle to think of any but to be fair i see a bit of Good off the ball movement, Good short passing(within 4-5 yards) and maybe a good finisher(close rang finish) truth be told good isn't good enough at this level were a club the size of Aston Villa can afford to hire a Manager as Fanatic as Emrey.
VDB weakness are so much that you can't even keep count. Not physically strong, not pacey, poor vision, not technically gifted, doesn't have the engine(Stamina) you expect from a midfielder, can't pass the ball over 4-5 yards, the game passes him by, you watch him and you wonder how he's made it into professional football, he's just a waste of space should be sold to any willing taker. I'll rather we give kids like Zidane or Robby Savage the minutes he's getting.
I hope ETH gets rid of this five players or else they'll contribute to his sacking, he has to replace them with players Technically gifted as Eriksen or aggressive as Martinez... I'll replace Ronaldo with Victor Osimhen(Aggression with a bit of Technique), Fred for De Jong(Technique with a bit of aggression), Lindelöf for Timber(Both), Maguire for Konsa(Both) and VDB for Zidane(Technique not sure of his Character but since he's young it can be developed). That to me is a good mix of character and technical ability.
VDB weakness are so much that you can't even keep count. Not physically strong, not pacey, poor vision, not technically gifted, doesn't have the engine(Stamina) you expect from a midfielder, can't pass the ball over 4-5 yards, the game passes him by, you watch him and you wonder how he's made it into professional football, he's just a waste of space should be sold to any willing taker. I'll rather we give kids like Zidane or Robby Savage the minutes he's getting.
I hope ETH gets rid of this five players or else they'll contribute to his sacking, he has to replace them with players Technically gifted as Eriksen or aggressive as Martinez... I'll replace Ronaldo with Victor Osimhen(Aggression with a bit of Technique), Fred for De Jong(Technique with a bit of aggression), Lindelöf for Timber(Both), Maguire for Konsa(Both) and VDB for Zidane(Technique not sure of his Character but since he's young it can be developed). That to me is a good mix of character and technical ability.
Lingard had moments where he'd step and scored many important goals for us. Just last season against WH for instance. DVB is just an absolute nothing player. Fred and McTominay may have bad moments but at least they are involved, you can see them impacting the game, positively or negatively. This guy is like you say, a ghost, an absolute non-entity.
I mean there are alot of foolish clubs, hence I said potentially.
We sold Dan James for 25m
Agreed.
I never really joked about Lingard. I was talking about his last season with us really, after even those moments of magic had gone. He was a passenger in every game.
Good knows what happened to him. He was very comfortable and one of the better players in that Ajax side that were passing it around for fun a few years ago. Those first 12 months here with almost no game time look to have absolutely killed him off.
Needs to leave and maybe rebuild his career
Needs to leave and maybe rebuild his career
I really struggle with the Donny van de Beek situation. I haven't watched much of Ajax but I have Dutch friends who do and they all said very good things about him.
I've really wanted this to work, I thought there had to be something there, but watching him play recently I've come to the sad conclusion that there's just not a Manchester United player there. The game just seems to go past him, he can't get involved. I think he's giving it everything he has, but it's just not enough. I thought that EtH might have been able to make him work as a system player but it's just not there. It's all really sad,
I've really wanted this to work, I thought there had to be something there, but watching him play recently I've come to the sad conclusion that there's just not a Manchester United player there. The game just seems to go past him, he can't get involved. I think he's giving it everything he has, but it's just not enough. I thought that EtH might have been able to make him work as a system player but it's just not there. It's all really sad,
No he didn't. He was far down the list of performers. Like the 6th/7th best player in their team.
Give me Dan James over VDB any day of the week.
The slightly disturbing thing about Donny is, as bad as he was last night, I wouldn't bet against Ten Hag starting him on Sunday. Ten Hag seems determined to give Donny chances, even if it means playing our best player out of position on the right flank.
Ten Hag can't afford to take risks with our results by playing Van de Beek. His presence in the team, like Ronaldo's, is actively undermining our ability to win games. Donny makes us worse. Its a fact. There are reasons for it, surely. However, the reasons are irrelevant if we're dropping points at Villa Park. We need to go with the team that's most likely to get us up the table. That team does not include Van de Beek.
Ten Hag can't afford to take risks with our results by playing Van de Beek. His presence in the team, like Ronaldo's, is actively undermining our ability to win games. Donny makes us worse. Its a fact. There are reasons for it, surely. However, the reasons are irrelevant if we're dropping points at Villa Park. We need to go with the team that's most likely to get us up the table. That team does not include Van de Beek.
So his highlights include:
Mctominay making a pass,
Him fouling a player
Him kicking the ball when a foul / offside was given
Him pointing when Dalot headed it over the bar.
So one thing I noticed was he did make runs quite a few times in the opening bits and wasnt found. But thats going to be an issue. He feels like a passenger and not even a luxury. He doesnt do anything that makes you take notice. He doesnt create like Bruno. he doesnt press like Fred. He doesnt really get around being rough / fouling like Scott (nor head away set pieces like Scott was doing yesterday)
Its like a downgraded version of Cleverley.
There is just nothing...I dont know how many years you can wait for a player to show a glimpse of something. With Donny it's just not there!
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Can never start a match again, he is finished in Premier league. Sad. Never clear why we signed him, another Ole recruitment masterclass.
People are blaming Ole for signing him, but everyone was hyped about him and was excited to get him. His transfer thread here was on fire.
Still don’t think he’s a bad player, but it hasn’t worked out and he needs a fresh start. Talk about mentality monsters, this guy is a mentality mouse. You’d think that after all the talk, his agent going on about the abuse of VDB at the hands of Ole, how criminal it was that he wasn’t being played, rarely getting an opportunity, the fans singing his name and wanting to see him. All that, and finally the team is in a good position to re-integrate him, and he plays three games and shows absolutely nothing. You’d expect him to come back in with a point to prove, and instead he’s completely validated the choice of our previous two coaches to leave him out.
Still don’t think he’s a bad player, but it hasn’t worked out and he needs a fresh start. Talk about mentality monsters, this guy is a mentality mouse. You’d think that after all the talk, his agent going on about the abuse of VDB at the hands of Ole, how criminal it was that he wasn’t being played, rarely getting an opportunity, the fans singing his name and wanting to see him. All that, and finally the team is in a good position to re-integrate him, and he plays three games and shows absolutely nothing. You’d expect him to come back in with a point to prove, and instead he’s completely validated the choice of our previous two coaches to leave him out.
He needs to call Michael Owen and find out who did his brochure.
Should leave and try and reignite his career elsewhere.. possibly back to Ajax. I’ve stuck up for him quite a bit since he’s been here but it’s evident that he isn’t good enough for this league. Doesn’t get the time or space to be effective enough. Also isn’t quick or strong enough for the premier league.
If we could £15m-£20m for him I’d be happy at this point. Goes missing in games, can’t pass the ball more than 10 yards and I cannot believe how slow he is. In the game yesterday he was chasing a ball down the line and it looked like he was running in custard.
If we could £15m-£20m for him I’d be happy at this point. Goes missing in games, can’t pass the ball more than 10 yards and I cannot believe how slow he is. In the game yesterday he was chasing a ball down the line and it looked like he was running in custard.
So his highlights include:
Mctominay making a pass,
Him fouling a player
Him kicking the ball when a foul / offside was given
Him pointing when Dalot headed it over the bar.
So one thing I noticed was he did make runs quite a few times in the opening bits and wasnt found. But thats going to be an issue. He feels like a passenger and not even a luxury. He doesnt do anything that makes you take notice. He doesnt create like Bruno. he doesnt press like Fred. He doesnt really get around being rough / fouling like Scott (nor head away set pieces like Scott was doing yesterday)
Its like a downgraded version of Cleverley.
The other players see him but they avoid passing to him. They don't trust him with the ball. We can all understand why too. When he gets it he doesn't do anything. A lot of the time when he gets it he just gives it back or he loses it. The ball doesn't stick to him. He bounces off defenders like a kid on a bouncy castle.
I have been an advocate of his. However, there's only so long you can ignore the evidence of your eyes. This squad, this system, this speed and physicality we have in England, none of it suits him. He can go somewhere else, maybe where they play 3-5-2 and be the second striker, or a team that has 70/80% possession every week, and be a success making late runs into the box. I just don't think he will succeed at Man Utd and its self-sabotage to keep trying to make it work.
He has to be the worst player we ever signed for a major fee?
This must have been his last game in a United shirt for sure...
This must have been his last game in a United shirt for sure...
To be fair to Donny, that youtube video of his performance is slightly misleading. It's missed out some of his better moments such as when he took the kick-off beautifully.
He has been terrible in the 10 position every time we’ve tried to play him there. He genuinely looks like a fan who has managed to sneak on the pitch. He is unable to get on the ball and, even when he does, his technique isn’t good enough to do anything with it from that position.
The only time he has had adequate performances for us (and even then only a couple of times) have been when he’s been played deeper so he has a little more time on the ball. He works ok in that position against lesser teams because he just does the simple stuff and keeps the ball moving.
Ultimately, I cannot see what our scouts saw that made them think he’d be a success in England. He’s woefully short of the required ability.
Im skeptical about blaming OIe. It seemed like Ole wanted Grealish and we got VDB for cheaper as an alternative.
Ok. Who were the 5-6 other players above him and who ranked them in that order?
Tadic, Ziyech, De Jong, De Ligt, Neres (all made CL squad of the season). Donny did not.
Onana won more award points than donny for best player in his position (28/19). He is a myth. I'd say even Blind better. Even Sissoko won more points than Donny.
Ive been very disappointed in him during the last few games. I've been one of the people advocating giving him a chance but he hasn't really showed up at all.
I agree with ETH that's he gets himself into good positions and sometimes it's the case that our team aren't finding him but also Donny is being way too passive. Even when Bruno is playing badly, he is constantly demanding the ball and running through brick walls to press the defence into a mistake but it's just not happening for Donny.
I feel it could well be a mentality issue at this stage and maybe he is very low on confidence. Either way he needs to step up massively in the next few months or it would be best for him to leave in the summer.
I agree with ETH that's he gets himself into good positions and sometimes it's the case that our team aren't finding him but also Donny is being way too passive. Even when Bruno is playing badly, he is constantly demanding the ball and running through brick walls to press the defence into a mistake but it's just not happening for Donny.
I feel it could well be a mentality issue at this stage and maybe he is very low on confidence. Either way he needs to step up massively in the next few months or it would be best for him to leave in the summer.
I've said it loads of times but my god he is awful.
Offers absolutely nothing. Usually I defend plyers but I just see nothing in him.
Offers absolutely nothing. Usually I defend plyers but I just see nothing in him.
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If we can get anywhere from £500k to £80m for him we should accept it.
Gonny van de Beek.
Maybe I am being a bit harsh saying Blind is better because Blind is nothing special too. I am just annoyed because obviously De Jong was the one we truly wanted
Makes sense. Appreciate the stats and details you shared.
He's a very specialized player who must use in the correct way to fulfill his talent and strength and I don't think that his talent/strength is great enough to be worth doing this. That means he isn't great enough to be United's starter.
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