the good old crap in the PL, but good in Europe argument.
if he can’t play in the Prem, aside from if we rest everyone, he won’t be playing in Europe for us.
got to hope he uses the next 6 months to get his arse in gear and get up to speed.
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the good old crap in the PL, but good in Europe argument.
if he can’t play in the Prem, aside from if we rest everyone, he won’t be playing in Europe for us.
got to hope he uses the next 6 months to get his arse in gear and get up to speed.
The intensity of the Premiership is on a different level to what he's played previously. I am sure if he's as talented as been touted he'll come good. I am only judging him on his United career so far in which he has not yet provided any significant contribution.
I don't know much of his past and cannot see the future.
He turns 24 in 2 months and his transfer fee was almost 40 million. I get that the PL can be hard to adjust to and that playtime is crucial, but he's not a kid and his transfer fee means that he should be a sure starter soon. If not, then he'll be considered a flop.
I still don't get why we signed him. It's nice to have cover and it's smart to think long term, but 40 million is a lot of money. For another 10-20 million we could have gotten a better player who also walks straight into the starting XI in a position where we need strengthening.
I still don't get why we signed him. It's nice to have cover and it's smart to think long term, but 40 million is a lot of money. For another 10-20 million we could have gotten a better player who also walks straight into the starting XI in a position where we need strengthening.
Well even if judged his matches in a United shirt, you'd know that he's the quickest passer. So your comment doesn't make that much sense. There might be other reasons why he's not "up to speed" but passing isn't one of them
I think your loyalties and support (understandable) might be dictating your opinion. I personally haven't yet seen the qualities you mention. He's playing it very safe and simple at present and this could be for a multitude of reasons. There is time to acclimatise to the Premiership and the way coaches need him to play. We all hope he becomes a great player for the club.
That might be so, but you said the he'd benefit from more time to pick passes. If you've even watched him in his United matches you'd know that his passing is really quick. So saying that he needs more time to pick passes is unfair. It's not something he needs to improve and that's not only for the "safe" passes.
No one at united pass him the ball when he requires it.
So many times he makes a pass wanting a pass back for a quick one two - nothing happens.
There is many times he makes a run in to clear and open space but no one has the ability to pick him up (Mctomminay or Fred) or Bruno simply doesnt see it.
He is making the attack more wider when he plays because his runs make the defenders have to occupy him.
He is a good player. I dont wish to rate him high but ultimately I dont want him to rate like crap either ultimately because he is going to struggle here because the rest of the team doesnt understand him or how to use him.
So depressing reading the earlier comments in this thread. This just hasn't worked for whatever reason, and I'm starting to think this is just a fit (player/club) which simply isn't going to work.
In fairness to the above early comment, however, they were partly right. Certainly can't complain about him having overplayed compared to the likes of Pogba and Martial
In fairness to the above early comment, however, they were partly right. Certainly can't complain about him having overplayed compared to the likes of Pogba and Martial
I think the two of us are either watching different matches of Man Utd, or have a fundamentally different understanding on what quick passes are. If I can name one aspect of his play that irritated the proverbial bejesus out of me, it was his constant risk averse passes in which he played in possession. Not quick, not fast, just really mediocre.
Look, I know you rate the guy from previous experiences with your club, but face it, this ain't the level we should aiming for at Manchester United.
If we play him and Bruno at the same time, it really baffles me that they end up almost next to each other as two 10s.
I still think he needs to be experimented with deeper, with the game ahead of him, and maybe alternate in that role with Bruno.
That way, he'll be forced to have to play the ball forward constantly, and hold a more rigid position.
He seems a bit lost when he goes onto the pitch for us.
I still think he needs to be experimented with deeper, with the game ahead of him, and maybe alternate in that role with Bruno.
That way, he'll be forced to have to play the ball forward constantly, and hold a more rigid position.
He seems a bit lost when he goes onto the pitch for us.
Think he will be more suited to 5-a-side football. The dimensions of an 11-a-side football pitch are far too big for him.
He can't pass longer than a few yards, doesn't carry the ball more than a few metres, and doesn't have the defensive or aerial game to compensate. He has no business in a 105m field at the highest level.
Isn't he meant to be starting these games in the EL? No rest for Bruno.
He is injured apparently so didn't travel
My bad!
Less anonymous than usual 
Typical he gets injured before a game he'd like start in, hope he's back for next week
Is he fit for the friendly against Sociedad ?
I am losing faith and he looks like a total misfit whenever he played for us. But then Fred was shite in his first season with us too, would he be able to turn things around and become our new Fred?
Went into the Ladies toilets by mistake during the game.
Another disappointing day for him in a big game
Another disappointing day for him in a big game
Ole doesn’t seem to trust him. We needed game chargers today. He ended up going for one sub. Clearly he doesn’t believe VDB can influence games
It's pretty much March and I still have no idea why we bought him.
This is Klassen at Everton mk2.
This is Klassen at Everton mk2.
Money well spent i would say.
Sell him for 20m in the summer and run, Lingard and Pereira are free and could do the same job (meaning nothing)
Sell him for 20m in the summer and run, Lingard and Pereira are free and could do the same job (meaning nothing)
Vdb is still a very good player but we need to sell in the summer and get Grealish. He can play upfront on the left and Rashford striker and right side.
It's probably best to sell. Seems like there is no trust in him at all.
Yep. What an utter waste this was. I don't even know why were were after one of these system players and that too one who is a goalscoring midfielder when we lack actually midfielders
Start him alongside Fred Wednesday night
We were saying the same thing about Fred when he signed. Let’s take a breath everyone
We can't afford every signing turning out like Fred and spending a season and a half playing like a nervous 17 year old.
And while Fred's goodish, he's definitely no 50 million player.
One of the most bizarre situations I’ve seen at the club. He’s clearly a quality player, he’s proven that at Ajax and on the biggest stage the CL, the club also shared that view when they shelled out the £40m for him but for some reason he just isn’t getting game time. On the rare occasion he does get some minutes it’s like our players just ignore him and are reluctant to give him the ball it’s very strange. He can’t even get a start when we’re currently at the bare bones in midfield as well. He doesn’t seem the type to half arse it in training either so I wouldn’t think that’s the reason, I know he’s not made much of an impact when he does come on but you can hardly blame him when he gets 10mins here and there and those are few and far between. He definitely should be getting played far more than he has been, really feel for the guy.
just read that he’s still injured. Probably he’ll watch the game from home rather the bench this time...
He was on the bench Sunday
The club obviously has faith but it's kinda galling to think we sunk the best part of £65 million on VDB and Diallo while crying poverty during a pandemic. Hopefully Diallo comes good, because so far there is scant evidence of VDB ever being a valuable squad member.
Plus Cavani's agent fee alone was another £10m or so, plus Telles, plus Facundo....we've been very active under Ole averaging 4 or 5 new players a season.
I'm not a big fan of him but I'm getting to the point where I just wouldn't mind seeing what he can actually do. Bizarre situation really.
It's weird. We're looking for someone to link the defence and midfield together behind Bruno, but we've refused to play him entirely.
I'm not just talking about now when he's injured.
He's a clean passer and he combines quite well. He works hard, so you wouldn't lose that aspect either if you swapped one of the DMs out.
There's a good player there. He's not another Klaasen.
I don't see why we can't persist with him given giving Martial 101 chances to play his way into form.
I'm not just talking about now when he's injured.
He's a clean passer and he combines quite well. He works hard, so you wouldn't lose that aspect either if you swapped one of the DMs out.
There's a good player there. He's not another Klaasen.
I don't see why we can't persist with him given giving Martial 101 chances to play his way into form.
I really thought when Pogba went down against Everton that Ole would give him a proper chance, however he hasn't had a sniff at all and yes he did pick up a knock but there were a couple of games before that he could have been tried
This situation is just totally bizarre, whilst I will be the first to admit he's not looked great he has to be given a chance to improve and given the level of performance from the team at the moment he should be getting minutes.
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