Donald Trump - GUILTY!

FOX News reports Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs has approved the State Attorney General's election fraud case which will be the 5th indictment for former president Donald J. Trump.
 
How the hell did I miss this from almost a week ago?



Many known precedents on how to incarcerate a former prime minister or former president are there, and I named a few of those before: Ehud Olmert, Lula, Park Geun-hye, Nicolas Sarkozy, Alberto Fujimori, etc.

That being said, Park's case is about the thing I wish for Trump: solitary confinement, dressed in a jumpsuit, eating $1.30 meals, washing his own tray and sleeping on his own foldable mattress on the floor.
 
They got away with that shit once, on Jan. 6. Never again. The last couple of times Trump asked his minions to come out and protest, almost no one showed up. Most of those MAGAts are keyboard warriors at best. There are plenty of militias and white supremacists out there who will be outraged, but we have the US Armed Forces to take care of that problem. There is literally zero chance Trump's angry fans can do anything more impactful than cry moar. 800 or so people have already been tried for Jan 6 with several hundred sentenced to prison. That ain't happening again. feck them.

Imagine the militia types serving on a jury :lol::lol::lol:
 
Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online


This is why the judges should use all their discretion to actually punish these veiled threats and slander Trump and the co conspirators are out here saying. They have the right to say they are innocent and did nothing wrong and being victimized. But, Trump has straight up mentioned all his prosecuters, their families, insinuated vendettas, and even fundraising off "being personally persecuted".

We saw this with January 6. We saw this with the poor poll workers who were harassed and threatened and had to live in fear. They will say they cant be blamed for what crazies do in their name. But, at this point we all know there are complete nutjobs willing to do anything and getting them all hyped up with more conspiracies and lies will cost lives at some point.

So it turns out that the names of Georgian State Grand Jury members are a matter of public record:
But under state law, the identities of the jurors are not secret. In fact, the names of the Fulton County jurors are listed on Page 9 of the 98-page indictment released late Monday that criminally charges former president Donald Trump and 18 others.

The law, which is aimed at bringing transparency to criminal proceedings, doesn’t give judges options to protect the privacy of jurors, experts said — even in a high-profile case like Trump’s indictment that could expose them to intense scrutiny or even threats.

“It’s a matter of public record,” said Pete Skandalakis, executive director of the Prosecuting Attorneys’ Council of Georgia, which provides training to prosecutors in the state. “Georgia has always been proud of the fact that the court system is a very open process here. I have not found a case — that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist — that allows us to keep grand jurors’ names secret.”

I can see the argument for transparency, but you'd also think it could have a chilling effect on high profile cases such as this one. Members of grand juries shouldn't be taking threats to their own safety into account when deciding whether or not to indict.
 
Can't imagine how the judges, prosecutors and juries must be feeling. There are months and months until the trials even begin, and they are all fully aware that there are literally thousands if not millions of brainwashed crazies that truly believe they are illegally putting their orange savior in jail. It only takes one of them to do something insane. Hopefully they get all the protection possible.
 
Yup, it was all covered in a very nice post from @frostbite that was only a couple of posts above yours. You must have missed it as you were replying to a few different posts at the same time.



That one ^^^^^


I do see what you are saying @gaffs and I also share your worry and trepidation. I think the worst thing you can do is underestimate Trump and also second guess voters. Harsh lessons in recent elections have shown this. I also can't be 100% sure Trump will be convicted or even jailed, despite overwhelming evidence against him. He's shown time and time again he gets away with anything. Through manipulation, intimidation, lying or twisting he always manages to change the narrative and get away with everything. This isn't helped by the fact many of his base don't and won't ever see him as doing anything wrong and the rest not caring either way. They just want Trump because he speaks their language and has caused such a divide in the country that all the focus from the Republicans is just attacking the Dems.

Trump didn't keep many of his promises, was President during COVID and also spent all his time either golfing, rage Tweeting or on news channels or holding pointless rallies in very favourable Trump areas just so he could have his pathetically fragile ego stroked all the time.

He was an absolute embarrassment in any world leader meeting or when he visited China and the UK for example. He's clueless about foreign policy or world affairs, and just says what people want to hear. He hardly ever attended any daily briefings and he also completely avoided ever holding pressers where he could be asked questions.

He stopped keeping visitor record logs for the White House and had many visits from very questionable people, many behind closed doors. He always used unsecured technology despite constant warnings from the Secret Service. He promised much with healthcare and infrastructure and the border control and achieved nothing. He also made millions from the Secret Service having to constantly stay at his own hotels.

On top of all this he lied.continuosly and often contradicted himself. Like only hiring the best people yet nearly every single one left and then got slagged off by him. He divulged secrets to his hotel guests and also (and this is no exaggeration) caused an issue or scandal l every single day of his Presidency. Any other President would have been removed for even 1% of the shit Trump got up to. He adjusted hurricane forecasts with a sharpie because his initial prediction was wrong. He insulted grieving gold star widows and family members and also held back disaster relief for Puerto Rico because the islands Governor questioned his response and help and asked for more.

He made his family billions like Jared Kushner who got paid $2bn from Saudi Arabia and he also gave all his family cabinet positions that not one was qualified for.

Yet none of that matters to his cult and now it seems to many other Republicans too.

All of that would instantly disqualify anyone else from ever being elected again. Yet Biden who has actually done some good, is old and prone to serious gaffs and errors and even falls. He's also continually being blamed for things that were actually Trump's fault or doing, yet it's Twisted so badly now it's all on Biden. Even things out of his control too like gas prices, all because Trump always took credit for anything despite him having feck all to do with it. Jan 6th is a perfect example, it was all staged by Pelosi and they were all FBI actors ffs.

The worst part is the Dems haven't even put anyone or got anyone else that would beat Trump.

So yeah, I get the worry and also understand the uncertainty around voters for Biden, especially given his health and constant misspeaking and senior moments.

I think the main thing he got away with was his Covid response. Where everything he did and said seemed designed to kill as many US citizens as possible.
 
You love to see it.

They certainly have been chastened by the Hershel debacle last election.
 
Can't imagine how the judges, prosecutors and juries must be feeling. There are months and months until the trials even begin, and they are all fully aware that there are literally thousands if not millions of brainwashed crazies that truly believe they are illegally putting their orange savior in jail. It only takes one of them to do something insane. Hopefully they get all the protection possible.
I was thinking about how I was called to Jury duty a 2 months ago. It was just traffic court and they settled it while we were getting instructions. But, if I was called to one of these trials where you and your family could be targeted by these nutjobs and MAGA freaks just for doing your duty.

Most people would rather get a root canal than be called to jury duty let alone be picked for something like this.

And the reality is no matter which way you ultimately rule. Millions of people will be pissed.
 
Just received this email from the Trump Team…

The Truth About Fani Willis​
Radical Democrat Fani Willis Is Campaigning And Fundraising On Her Bogus Indictments Of President Trump

Fani Willis Is A Democrat Activist
  • In 2021, She Endorsed And Fundraised For The Democrat Political Opponent Of A Republican Georgia State Senator Who Was A Target Of Her Criminal Investigation.(Endorsement Video, Charlie Bailey Campaign Facebook Page, 1/30/21)

  • Willis’s Prior Partisan Political Activity Disqualified Her From Investigating An Election Witness. “A judge Monday effectively barred a Georgia prosecutor from investigating Republican state Sen. Burt Jones…saying she was disqualified by hosting a campaign fundraiser for Jones’ political opponent.” (CNBC, 7/25/22)

  • The judge ruled that Fani Willis’ actions constituted a “plain — and actual and untenable — conflict,” and commented that “It’s a ‘What are you thinking?’ moment. The optics are horrific.” (Washington Post, 7/25/22)

Willis Is Using The Trump Indictment To Fundraise And Campaign

On The Eve Of Her Anticipated Indictment Of President Trump, Willis Launched Her New 2023 Re-Election Campaign Website To Take Maximum Advantage Of Her New-found Fame. “While the nation awaits the results of her office’s more-than-two-year investigation into alleged attempts by former President Donald Trump and his allies to overturn Georgia’s 2020 election results, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has launched a new fundraising website. On Thursday, Willis sent out an email to her supporters. ‘Friend, we wanted you to know first that our new website is up and ready for you to share with your friends and family,’ it said. ‘Sign up to volunteer, host an event, and continue to support the team! Thank you for your continued support to build a brighter future for Fulton County. With gratitude, Team Fani.’ Willis’ team launched the website as a Fulton County grand jury continues weighing whether to level charges or indictments against the nation’s 45th president.” (Atlanta News First, 8/10/23)


Willis’s DA Office Leaked A Charging Sheet Against President Trump, Tainting The Jury Pool By Highlighting 13 Felony Charges, Before The Grand Jury Voted Or Any Charges Were Announced. “A two-page docket report posted to the Fulton County court website indicated charges against Trump including racketeering, conspiracy, and false statements. The appearance of the report set off a flurry of news media activity, but then the document vanished. A spokesperson for the district attorney said reports ‘that those charges were filed [are] inaccurate. Beyond that we cannot comment.’” (The Guardian, 8/14/23)

  • President Trump’s Attorneys Drew Findling And Jennifer Little Respond: “The Fulton County District Attorney's Office has once again shown that they have no respect for the integrity of the grand jury process. This was not a simple administrative mistake. A proposed indictment should only be in the hands of the District Attorney's Office, yet it somehow made its way to the clerk's office and was assigned a case number and a judge before the grand jury even deliberated. This is emblematic of the pervasive and glaring constitutional violations which have plagued this case from its very inception.” (Statement, 8/14/23)

Fani Willis Bragged To Left-Wing Media Outlets About Her Efforts To Take Down Trump.

  • Willis Appeared Repeatedly (Nearly 40 Times) On Left-Wing TV Shows And Media Outlets Throughout Her Investigation. (Amended Complaint, No. 2023CV382670, 7/20/23)


    • Rather than remaining impartial, Willis opined about the ongoing investigation openly to the media, telling TIME that she had a “what in the hell” moment when she heard President Trump’s phone call. (Time Magazine, 9/28/21)
    • In a 2022 interview, Willis said that “on day one” she knew that an investigation of Trump may be warranted. Willis went on to explain that upon hearing the phone call, “almost immediately I knew if there was something to be done…that we would be the appropriate office.” (USA Today, 2/14/22)
  • Willis’s Campaign Account Tweeted A Political Cartoon Promoting Her Investigation Of President Trump. In July 2022, after subpoenaing a multitude of high-profile witnesses, Fani Willis tweeted a biased political cartoon on her campaign twitter account depicting her fishing for a recently subpoenaed witness who appeared in the cartoon to be living as a fish in a swamp. (Amended Complaint, No. 2023CV382670, 7/20/23)


Willis Raised A Vast Majority Of Her Campaign Funds By Promoting Her Election Investigation On Social Media.

  • Nearly 75% Of Her Entire Contribution Haul Came In The Immediate Aftermath Of Her Tweets Promoting The Investigation. “In 2022, according to her campaign disclosure report, the District Attorney received a total of 737 donations—533 of those donations came in the days immediately following her retweeting requests for donations and followers in light of this investigation, which Petitioner highlighted in his original motion. See Motion to Quash, attached hereto as Exhibit 1, Sec. 4(B)(ii). To be clear, those donations comprise 72.3% of the District Attorney’s 2022 individual campaign.” (Amended Complaint, No. 2023CV382670, 7/20/23)

  • Over 90% Of Willis’s Contributions Came From Out Of State Donors. “Despite the District Attorney being a state prosecutor in a single-county circuit, less than 8% of her donations came from Georgians. The other 92% were from 45 other states.” (Amended Complaint, No. 2023CV382670, 7/20/23)

A Family Steeped In Hate

  • Fani Willis Is The Daughter Of A Former Black Panther. “The daughter of a former Black Panther who recently retired as a criminal defense lawyer, the Inglewood, Calif.-born Willis would go along when her father went to court on Saturday mornings. The judge who oversaw the Saturday courtroom, an older white man, was, according to Willis, known to be mean. But each week, he had Willis, too young to stay home alone or to hear the details her father needed to discuss with clients, sit next to him on the elevated dais, the two whispering back and forth. One day, Willis’ father asked her what on earth they talked about.” (Time Magazine, 9/28/21)

  • “Fani has a seemingly proud family background as an African-American woman. As what can now be considered a conscious foreshadowing to her future endeavors, she describes her Swahili name’s intended meaning, saying: “My name is actually Fani (fah-nee), Taifa is my middle name, and my last name is Willis. So, my father was a Black Panther, so he was very Afrocentric… my name is Swahili. Fani actually means ‘prosperous,’ and Taifa means ‘people’.” (Fulton County Government Website, 1/4/21)

Fani Willis’s Investigation Has Been Compromised By Unethical Conduct And Political Bias.

  • Fulton County Judge Described The Grand Jury Investigation As “One-Sided” With “Very Limited Due Process.” The Fulton County Superior Court Judge ordered that any of the Grand Jury’s recommendations on who might be prosecuted must remain secret for now since the grand jury investigation was “one-sided” and there was “very limited due process” for the people whom the grand jury recommended charges. (Fox News, 2/25/23; Fox News, 2/13/23)

Willis’s Investigation Lasted Over Two And A Half Years, Suspiciously Long, And Timed To Interfere With The 2024 Presidential Election.

  • Legal Analyst Elie Honig Stated “I Know Investigations Take Time. This Should Not Have Taken Two And A Half Plus Years.” (CNN, 4/24/23)

An Earlier Grand Jury’s Foreman, Emily Kohrs Went On A Days-Long, Bizarre Media Tour Hinting At The Grand Jury’s Potential Criminal Indictment Of President Trump.

  • Kohrs Spoke To The Associated Press, The New York Times, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, And Gave Lengthy Interviews With NBC And CNN. (Fox News, 3/27/23)

  • Even Left-Wing Media Outlets Criticized The Grand Jury Foreman’s Behavior.

  • CNN legal analyst Elie Honig called the grand jury foreman’s media appearances a “prosecutor’s nightmare.” Honig noted, "We're talking about taking away somebody's liberty. She doesn't seem to be taking this very seriously." (CNN, 2/22/23)
  • CNN’s liberal anchor, Anderson Cooper agreed, "First of all, why this person is talking on TV? I do not understand," Cooper said. "She's clearly enjoying herself. But, I mean, is this responsible? She was the foreperson of this grand jury!" (Fox News, 2/25/23)


Willis Has A Troubling History Of Politically-Motivated Decisions.

  • Willis Refused To Prosecute Abortion Cases After Roe V. Wade Was Overturned, Putting Her Personal Political Agenda Above The Rule Of Law. (Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 6/24/22)

Under Fani Willis, Violent Crime Exploded In Atlanta.

  • In 2021, Atlanta Murders Increased 60% Compared To 2020, Making It One Of The Highest In The Nation. “Murders in Atlanta have spiked nearly 60% year to date, with almost two dozen more killings reported so far compared to 2020’s statistics, police department data shows.” (Fox News, 6/14/21)


Willis Hid A Prior Relationship With A Member Of A Gang She Was Prosecuting

Willis Was The Lawyer For A YSL Gang Co-Founder In 2019 In An Aggravated Assault Case. “Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has built a reputation as a tough-on-crime prosecutor eager to fill Atlanta prisons through sweeping indictments. But YSL Mondo, who co-founded the Young Stoner Life music crew with Young Thug in the early 2010s, tells Rolling Stone that the Fani Willis he sees on TV isn't the same woman who served as his defense attorney in 2019 during an aggravated assault case.” (RollingStone, 1/25/23)


Mondo Said That Willis Was A “Great Attorney” And That They Shared A “Cool Relationship.” “Mondo says that Willis was a "great attorney" for him, getting his aggravated assault charge dropped to a lesser one and having him sentenced to "a program" in lieu of prison time. He says that even after his sentence, she worked to get him an early release from the program due to COVID. And beyond her casework, he says that the two shared a "cool relationship," with her being aware of his rap career and even using it in her defense. That's why the YSL indictment is surprising to Mondo. "That's not her character," he contends. "She's almost like, not really street, but she understands what goes on, bro. She understands life to a certain degree. She ain't trying to take all these little Black dudes down. She ain't that type of woman, man. I'm telling you, she's not.” (Rolling Stone, 1/25/23)

Willis Was Accused Of Falsifying A Subpoena In 2022

In 2022, Willis Was Accused Of Prosecutorial Misconduct And Abuse Of Grand Jury Power. HEADLINE: “(Exclusive Details) Young Thug’s Lawyer Seeks To Have RICO Case Tossed On Technicality, Accuses DA Of Prosecutorial Misconduct, Abuse Of Grand Jury Power.’ (The Shade Room, 11/9/22)

Willis Was Accused Of Filing ‘Sham’ And ‘Fake’ Grand Jury Subpoenas. ‘Young Thug‘s lawyers are looking to have his RICO case dismissed based on a technicality, accusing the district attorney of filing ‘sham’ and ‘fake’ grand jury subpoenas as the rap star continues to languish in Georgia’s Cobb County Jail, The Shade Room can exclusively report. Last Thursday (Nov. 3), Brian Steel of The Steel Law Firm, who is representing Thugger, filed a motion to dismiss all charges against their client on grounds of prosecutors abusing ‘it’s authority by utilizing a sham Grand Jury Subpoena.’” (The Shade Room, 11/9/22)
Okay so without reading the entire text wall of Bollux. They are saying that the position of DA is a political appointment. Now I'm British and knew that. Why would this be news to Americans?
 
Okay so without reading the entire text wall of Bollux. They are saying that the position of DA is a political appointment. Now I'm British and knew that. Why would this be news to Americans?
Just take a peek at our adult reading level numbers, over half read at a sixth grade level or below.
 
How the hell did I miss this from almost a week ago?



Many known precedents on how to incarcerate a former prime minister or former president are there, and I named a few of those before: Ehud Olmert, Lula, Park Geun-hye, Nicolas Sarkozy, Alberto Fujimori, etc.

That being said, Park's case is about the thing I wish for Trump: solitary confinement, dressed in a jumpsuit, eating $1.30 meals, washing his own tray and sleeping on his own foldable mattress on the floor.

Feck $1.30 meals he'd probably enjoy that crap. I want them to make him eat vegetables.
 
Feck $1.30 meals he'd probably enjoy that crap. I want them to make him eat vegetables.
I think porridge would match the description of a very cheap meal; just about mixing 5 ounces of oatmeal with 3/4 of a pint of milk. I read it last cost about £2 a day on food for each prisoner in the UK before it was totally removed in 2018.

Picturing Trump eating porridge only that day after day after day after day would be quite the mental imagery.
 
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Charred Brussels sprouts & bacon is :drool:

200w.webp
 
So it turns out that the names of Georgian State Grand Jury members are a matter of public record:


I can see the argument for transparency, but you'd also think it could have a chilling effect on high profile cases such as this one. Members of grand juries shouldn't be taking threats to their own safety into account when deciding whether or not to indict.

That seems crazy to me. Imagine you're involved in indicting a cartel boss or something. You'd be fearing for your life if you indict them.

Thinking about the trial, if some MAGA nuts start intimidating jurors on their own volition, then what can the judge do? In the UK I think a judge can order a retrial if the jury has been tampered with/intimidated and can even order a bench trial if they belive there is no hope of getting a jury that won't be tampered with or intimidated. I don't think the US constitution allows for that though?
 
That seems crazy to me. Imagine you're involved in indicting a cartel boss or something. You'd be fearing for your life if you indict them.

Thinking about the trial, if some MAGA nuts start intimidating jurors on their own volition, then what can the judge do? In the UK I think a judge can order a retrial if the jury has been tampered with/intimidated and can even order a bench trial if they belive there is no hope of getting a jury that won't be tampered with or intimidated. I don't think the US constitution allows for that though?
The jury in the trial will almost certainly be sequestered and will be living in a hotel under armed guard, but of course their families will be seen as fair game, unfortunately this is the price you sometimes have to pay for living in a democracy, and of course Trump will never issue a statement to his supporters to say layoff, he'll do all he can to encourage it without explicitly saying so, that's how he operates
 


Yeah of course that's the reason :rolleyes:

More like they don't want him to further incriminate himself and make their job even harder than it already is. The replies to that Tweet are fecking priceless too. They lap any bullshit up.coming from their lord and Savior Trump :lol: