Who's doing the procurement? Outsource that and you're far less likely to see this sort of screw up.
Doctors are repeating the mistakes of the miners strikes - Telegraph
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Who's doing the procurement? Outsource that and you're far less likely to see this sort of screw up.
Junior doctors could be struck off over industrial action, warns GMC
https://www.theguardian.com/society...e-struck-off-over-industrial-action-warns-gmc
https://www.theguardian.com/society...e-struck-off-over-industrial-action-warns-gmc
that sounds a bit counter productive : /
or a blatantly empty threat
or a blatantly empty threat
Good luck running the.NHS if you strike off every Junior Dr in the country
Terrible article. Give them whatever they're asking I say, I'm in awe of doctors really.
I can't see why there's a problem really. Soon enough the NHS will enjoy that 100m a week promised to them
Yes, and while we're at it, we can tighten up those immigration controls. I spent a long day in a manic A&E corridor with my mum-in-law last week, surrounded by doctors from all over the world. So clearly, no problem at all if we stop foreign health professionals working here.The GMC's a fecking terrible organisation. Full of politically motivated old farts who are completely out of touch with life on the wards. Shitty statement from them but to be expected.
The two go hand and hand. There's already a big talent drain going on to countries where doctors have better pay/conditions. Staffing shortages and poorly trained overseas docs parachuted in to fill the gaps will directly affect patient safety.
If it was about doctor's getting more pay, then you would see them campaigning for full-on privatisation of the NHS, as they'd end up millionaires, whilst the public would head into the crap of US style medical insurance, with over zealous procedures and people dying as they can't afford premiums.
The doctors strike is about the doctor's attitude to patient care, and wanting the best for the 60million of us. End-of.
The media crap is about a health secretary and dept hell bent on privatising the juicy profitable bits, whilst wishing for a 7 day NHS, on the same money as the current '5 day'... So effectively a 2/7 pay cut and crappier conditions for not just doctors, but nurses, cooks, cleaners, admin, volunteers and the whole host of others.
if the strike was all about money, then they'd all be in AUs/NZ/SA already... On better wages, better employers, better appreciation of their jobs.
The miners strike broke the miners... And within 5-10 years uk had negligible mining.
The health dept is seemingly wanting to head the same way, end the NHS, asset strip health, sod the poor.
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The NHS is not an endless money bucket though... people think they are entitled to all services, all the time, at all hospitals... Which is not only unrealistic, it's downright dangerous as specialist skills are spread too thinly, let alone the massive waste of resources.
The doctors strike is about the doctor's attitude to patient care, and wanting the best for the 60million of us. End-of.
The media crap is about a health secretary and dept hell bent on privatising the juicy profitable bits, whilst wishing for a 7 day NHS, on the same money as the current '5 day'... So effectively a 2/7 pay cut and crappier conditions for not just doctors, but nurses, cooks, cleaners, admin, volunteers and the whole host of others.
if the strike was all about money, then they'd all be in AUs/NZ/SA already... On better wages, better employers, better appreciation of their jobs.
The miners strike broke the miners... And within 5-10 years uk had negligible mining.
The health dept is seemingly wanting to head the same way, end the NHS, asset strip health, sod the poor.
Side note:
The NHS is not an endless money bucket though... people think they are entitled to all services, all the time, at all hospitals... Which is not only unrealistic, it's downright dangerous as specialist skills are spread too thinly, let alone the massive waste of resources.
I support the junior doctors concerns but there comes a point when they're putting too many lives at risk and these strikes will do so. If they fulfill each one then they'll lose public support.
Let's all hope they get the resolution they need before the unnecessary carnage breaks out across hospitals all over this land.
Let's all hope they get the resolution they need before the unnecessary carnage breaks out across hospitals all over this land.
Exactly, need to remove basic services like a majority of the cases who go to their GP. Introduce a proper nutrition intervention early on in people's lives and address current problems that are only going to exacerbate in the future.
the only difference is that no one needs miners. However most countries need doctors.
The junior doctors need to act smart. No more strikes, just resign en masse and go and work in Australia, the US. Dubai and Canada. The Tory government will end up on its knees as it wont be able to find so much expertise in such short period of time and the common people will be at arms because they wont accept the NHS collapsing in front of their eyes
It happened in my country and the government in question needed 25 years to go back in government.
Stop being so sensible.
Nail on the head.
Problem is that if they don't get more money, we're going to see more and more junior doctors going abroad...which makes complete sense because it seems like they have greater incentives in a number of countries. Without increased pay, we'll lose out on the best doctors and this will damage the NHS.
It's funny in a way, though. The Tories will often justify tax cuts to businesses etc by arguing that we need businesses to be incentivised to come here. A capitalist society is typically one in which greater success involves making more money. The Tories would likely subscribe to this idea. Yet, for some reason, when it comes to doctors the Tories expect them not to act in that manner. They expect these highly trained, highly skilled professionals to be cool with working absurd hours in a difficult job and not getting particularly brilliant pay for it. If we're willing to appease businesses in order for economic growth, why aren't we appeasing the junior doctors for the sake of the NHS?
Thing is, the entire public sector is in a bit of trouble right now. Budget cuts, pension cuts revamps, lower staffing levels... It isnt unique to the NHS/junior doctors. That isnt to say that I dont support what they are doing - frankly I havent done a detailed enough analysis of the situation to have a properly informed opinion. My bigger concern is the general lack of funding for the public sector, which has caused action like this to be taken in a critical sector within the UK.
Not en masse but that's already happening.
Junior doctors are actually being given a paycut. I wonder how many politicians will accept that if they were in their position
It should be en masse. That would catch the headlines. We had that in Malta during the 70-80s. The government pushed them a bit too far and most simply packed their things and left. The government went in tilt, foreigners were hired who were nowhere near to the locals, the mortality rate spiked and the labour party ended in opposition for around 20+ years. Till this very day the islands avoid a doctor's strike more then an outbreak of yersinia pestis
Maybe Jeremy Hunt can do a 'quick' course and become a doctor himself. That would help
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Utter Bollox. As answered previously in thread.
And a perusal of the actual contract offered and its determined effects, would easily show that it's utter bollox.
The NHS has actually been protected more than most areas of the public sector; a further increase to the budget is still in order mind you, but not political party is suggesting such a policy at present.
Read a few posts here about doctors moving to Australia.
As someone who is soon to start studying medicine as a second degree, moving to Australia as soon as I graduate is looking very likely. I also have many friends soon to complete their medical degrees thinking the same.
It's a shame really, we're being (I'm to be) trained in NHS funded hospitals amongst their highly skilled staff and we do feel indebted to them. However we've been burned a lot in recent years by the UK government. It hurts to think my cousin did his degree at the cost of a single year of mine. By the time I've graduated I'll have 63k debt just off tuition fees!
The NHS is heading down a dark path to privatisation and overworked doctors.
It's getting late now, I'd love to expand more but will return to continue discussion tomorrow.
As someone who is soon to start studying medicine as a second degree, moving to Australia as soon as I graduate is looking very likely. I also have many friends soon to complete their medical degrees thinking the same.
It's a shame really, we're being (I'm to be) trained in NHS funded hospitals amongst their highly skilled staff and we do feel indebted to them. However we've been burned a lot in recent years by the UK government. It hurts to think my cousin did his degree at the cost of a single year of mine. By the time I've graduated I'll have 63k debt just off tuition fees!
The NHS is heading down a dark path to privatisation and overworked doctors.
It's getting late now, I'd love to expand more but will return to continue discussion tomorrow.
I know some consultants who are in it for the money, especially private or locum work. The ethos is, however, to generally to serve the public health.
If, being at the very high end of educated intelligent people, you still decide that being a doctor in the NHS is a decision about money, when you can earn far more elsewhere, in better hospitals and better conditions, then you have deluded yourself.
The 58% who rejected the (3 years down the line, being the 1st contract actually negotiated by govt) BMA reccomendation, compares to the equivalent 37% who voted Brexit , and the 25% who voted for the current conservative govt... I think that figure is a decent mandate for rejection?
As for bottling it, ha. It's because of the limited time to put in contingency plans to cover the action which would put patient care at too much risk.
Cancelling operations is another media bollox, there are more cancelled due to inadequate staffing levels (and to conditions, lack of beds, etc) than will be cancelled due to a strike. But apparently that's not about a 'duty of care' by the govt.
It's well past the dark path, it's on the profit lit highway streaking past the slums of the unfortunates.