You can tell this ref is shocking cos he takes about an hour to blow the whistle
Hes out of his depth
I'm not sure what other conclusion to come to after that game.
I'm too mad to even list the officiating mistakes today. I can't believe it.
I'm too mad to even list the officiating mistakes today. I can't believe it.
We got away with one today. Southampton should have had a penalty really.
Yeah I thought it was potentially a foul (not the stamp).
Same, was miles away from the ball, just pushed him over. It was a bit soft but standing on him afterwards does a good job of making that part a weak argument against.
Yeah clear penalty by Maguire on the initial foul, stamp was completely random movement from both so nothing there imo
Pogba got kicked to feck and he didn't do a single thing about it, yet couldn't wait to book our players.
Interesting- I thought it would have been an exceptionally soft penalty. On another day I think you could have been down to ten men for other reasons though. Yet again I find it bizarre that a minority of people are slating the ref though. That match was not a draw because of officiating any more than 95% of matches are.
Imagine if that was given after him being completely done beforehand
That was my take on that incident, although with the benefit of slow motion. A quicker defender with a decent pace and turning would never have been in that position.
Yeah it would have been soft no doubt, but one of those cliched “don’t give the ref a chance to give it” fouls.
Yes, that was against Huddersfield at Old Trafford, when their centre back Kongolo absolutely flattened a young McTominay by jumping into him. Attwell had a perfect view, looking straight at the incident. It was a blatant red card and penalty award, but Attwell did nothing, before eventually stopping play so that McTominay could receive treatment.
Attwell was shocking again today, as one would expect. He gave United four yellow cards, but none to Southampton, despite them conceding more fouls.
The worst was Elyounoussi in the 2nd half. Two fouls in the space of 30 seconds, both potential bookings. One a shirt pull and the other a blatant trip. He got subbed right after it too.
Nope because if we actually killed games off then these decisions wouldn't prove to be so crucial
I hate when people say that the refereeing didn’t affect the game just because there weren’t six missed penalties for one team or four red cards not given.
It was easy for Southampton to play aggressively against us because they were allowed to stop counters and promising attacks without getting booked for it. I mean, of course a defender’s ability to defend is going to be affected if he’s on a yellow card, but if a player can jump up in the air, lift his arms above his head and bat away a through ball without beingbooked, then he’s not going to have to think twice about knocking Pogba over when he’s going through in midfield. Meanwhile, we have to take McTominay off because he wouldn’t have finished the game if he had made the same fouls that they kept doing all game, and they didn’t receive a single yellow card whereas we had four.
It was easy for Southampton to play aggressively against us because they were allowed to stop counters and promising attacks without getting booked for it. I mean, of course a defender’s ability to defend is going to be affected if he’s on a yellow card, but if a player can jump up in the air, lift his arms above his head and bat away a through ball without beingbooked, then he’s not going to have to think twice about knocking Pogba over when he’s going through in midfield. Meanwhile, we have to take McTominay off because he wouldn’t have finished the game if he had made the same fouls that they kept doing all game, and they didn’t receive a single yellow card whereas we had four.
This.
Being on a yellow card must have a bearing on how a player competes for the remainder of the match. All of Southampton's players knew that they could play aggressively for the full ninety minutes, by virtue of having the insurance that they could get a yellow card, without being sent off. The four United players who were on yellow cards, especially McTominay, didn't have that luxury. It's not an obvious observation, but it's another example of how a referee can unfairly influence the outcome of a match. Southampton actually committed more fouls than United did today, so the issuing of yellow cards proves that the game clearly wasn't refereed correctly or fairly.
I don't go on about Refs but even I know that Attwell is a notoriously poor referee.
He's got a history of having shocking games and getting demoted and he was- as you'd expect- bad today. I don't think he's the reason he lost but he gave Southampton every single advantage today.
He's got a history of having shocking games and getting demoted and he was- as you'd expect- bad today. I don't think he's the reason he lost but he gave Southampton every single advantage today.
There’s also the emotional impact of feeling wronged over and over. You become less focussed on your own game. Playing angry. Refs can have a massive impact without having to make big calls. Atwell has had a huge impact on our season this past week.
West Ham late goal. Both a foul in comparison to our disallowed goal vs Burnley, and a handball.
It's getting more believable every passing week.
It's getting more believable every passing week.
Every small club thinks the big clubs are getting the decisions in their favour.
Every big club thinks the underdogs get the refs in their favour
Every poor club thinks the rich clubs can influence Every thing with their prestige
All the wealthy clubs think they are despised because of their economic advantage.
It's just what fans do.
Every big club thinks the underdogs get the refs in their favour
Every poor club thinks the rich clubs can influence Every thing with their prestige
All the wealthy clubs think they are despised because of their economic advantage.
It's just what fans do.
There isn't a club in England involved in so many controversies. That foul is blown in real time 99 out of 100 times. And no controversy ever happens.
It was clear inside 5 minutes that Tierney had shit himself.
How many times have we had a game this season WITHOUT some mad, at best 50/50, going against us or some revised interpretation of the rules
It was clear inside 5 minutes that Tierney had shit himself.
How many times have we had a game this season WITHOUT some mad, at best 50/50, going against us or some revised interpretation of the rules
In fairness another ref could have had McTom off. He was smashing a fair few players today.
Would've been a cheap second yellow. Probably one of those where if he hasn't got a yellow he gets booked but not enough to give him second. Same for Foreshaw a few minutes later.
Think ref was just taking into account the conditions and letting players get away with loads in that second half. Not sure how Fernandes avoided a yellow given he was just taking Leeds players out for five minutes after it went 2-2.
Didn’t really see much wrong today - if anything McTominay should have been booked earlier.
Bruno call for their second was the correct call too
Bruno call for their second was the correct call too
Would've been a cheap second yellow. Probably one of those where if he hasn't got a yellow he gets booked but not enough to give him second. Same for Foreshaw a few minutes later.
Think ref was just taking into account the conditions and letting players get away with loads in that second half. Not sure how Fernandes avoided a yellow given he was just taking Leeds players out for five minutes after it went 2-2.
I don't mean one foul at the end, I mean the whole game. He drew blood on one player clattering him late, quite a few fouls etc.
I'm happy enough only 1 booking, but it's just a balance versus people saying we're hard done by.
He should never have been sent off. Crowd ohhing and ahhing didn’t sway the ref and nor should they have.
Agreed he could and probably should have been booked a lot earlier.
The 2 awb decisions were awful. The first one was clear foul on awb (which if they scored I'd expect var to overturn but who knows) and the other one awb won the ball and the ref just blew because the fans shouted. The linesman was 5m away and didn't give it
I thought the ref was great. Consistently let stuff go, we’d have never seen a game like that if he’d dished out yellows right away. It was a throw back and I’d much rather football like that.
I didn't see first half tbh so can't comment on what he did then. In these type of occasions refs often let plenty go in first 20-30 minutes so not to put themselves under too much pressure to send someone off later.
He was pish. He let everything go for Leeds whilst blowing for the slightest touch for us. If he is consistent in that then there’s no problem.
He wasn’t though. I don’t think this has anything to do with ‘ABU’ conspiracies though, he just shat the bed.
I didn’t see it that way. I thought he let loads go for both sides.
Yeah, Bruno getting away with three or four late fouls because he was frustrated at not getting the foul for the 2-2 was ridiculous, among all the other refereeing ridiculousness todayWould've been a cheap second yellow. Probably one of those where if he hasn't got a yellow he gets booked but not enough to give him second. Same for Foreshaw a few minutes later.
Think ref was just taking into account the conditions and letting players get away with loads in that second half. Not sure how Fernandes avoided a yellow given he was just taking Leeds players out for five minutes after it went 2-2.
Immediately after they made it 2-2, he also gave the softest foul to Pogba out on the left wing which was utterly ridiculous considering what he just had deemed not a foul a minute earlier.
Bit harsh but it's factually correct.
After seeing that Rodri handball not called and the thiago tackle in the FA Cup final its hard to remain non bias.
Especially now we have VAR which should make some of these stonewall decisions.
Especially now we have VAR which should make some of these stonewall decisions.
Of course not, because I'm not a mentaloid.