Dalot had a 3 month purple patch during that season. He fell off a cliff after the winter world cup and after he sustained injury he couldn't keep AWB off the starting role at RB for months.
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Dalot had a 3 month purple patch during that season. He fell off a cliff after the winter world cup and after he sustained injury he couldn't keep AWB off the starting role at RB for months.
I wouldn’t sell him for €50m but I think we should ask for at least £55m exclude adds on. International footballer who can play both left and right, still good age, and not in high wages. His value should be minimum £55m. Then we will use the money to buy players who is more suitable for LWB and other positions for Amorim’s system.
55m GBP would put him close to the record transfer fee for fullbacks which is € 68m. That's not gonna happen. € 35-40m is realistic, imo.
Definitely sell. He's not good enough for where we want to be anyway, we have others who can cover RWB and the money will help sort LWB.
If we sell him, we need to bring in replacements on the right and the left.
Right, because I don’t think it’s Amad’s long term position and Mazraoui needs competition.
Left, because I don’t think Malacia is good enough, and Shaw is sadly too injury prone.
Without getting too FM about it, would it be worth activating Alvaro Carreras’ buyback, and then using the leftover on a RWB?
Right, because I don’t think it’s Amad’s long term position and Mazraoui needs competition.
Left, because I don’t think Malacia is good enough, and Shaw is sadly too injury prone.
Without getting too FM about it, would it be worth activating Alvaro Carreras’ buyback, and then using the leftover on a RWB?
Dalot leaving should be high on our list of priorities.
He feckin sucks but he's a grafter. We have to get rid of the lads who can't get on the fecking pitch regularly first
Would those be harder to sell?
I get that Dalot feels like a kid who collected 40 crisp packets and got a premier league contract, but with how awful Shaws injury record is I would rather replace Shaw first then Dalot
People here have memory of goldfishes, if you had asked this question 3 months back, almost 99% of the CAF would have been against his sale. Couple months of bad form and possible "not fitting in a 3-4-3", and suddenly he's disposable, when he plays in the position where we barely have any players to play(wing back).
This is the sort of thing that leads to selling good players for cheap, and then crying when they go to other clubs and perform well.
This is the sort of thing that leads to selling good players for cheap, and then crying when they go to other clubs and perform well.
To be fair, 50m is quite expensive for a fullback and I tend to agree with others that for all of Dalot's traits that I like, he simply doesn't seem to have the brain to go with it. Which is something he needs because it's clear he's not going to produce much in the final third at all.
I'm not saying bin him off for nothing, but if Real really want him I think it would be shrewd to let him go and replace him with a better fit.
Imagine getting £45M for him, sounds TGTBT.
Maybe I shouldn't be surprised but how knee jerky are all of you on here. He was probably our best player last year (and player's player of the year). The best club in Europe are linked with him and you all think he's crap and want to get rid for the type of money that gets your Max Kilman or one of City's academy players.
Folk talking about getting rid of Shaw but realistically how? No one would take him on a free, let alone offer any money. He’s going to have to run down the rediculous contract we gave him. Dalot can and should be sold to buy a more suitable player. Shaw, we are stuck with.
It’s pure fiction to suggest it’s knee jerky to not rate Dalot. We were dog shit last season, him being good doesn’t suddenly elevate him to a ridiculous untouchable level. He was (arguably) the best of a torrid bunch. Big deal.
How much would you consider him to be worth? Considering what the likes of Cancelo, Hakimi, Cucurella etc ended up going for, I just don't think he's in that sort of company. Had a bit of a purple patch last year and has generally been fairly consistent and shown some versatility but he's really been nothing special.
If you can get £45-50m, there are replacement options out there who are arguably just as good if not better, younger and much better fits for the new system.
He's been at Utd for 6 years, granted he spent one of those on loan.
But, it's not knee jerky to not rate a player after 6 years of the same performances littered with poor mistakes, decision making and brain farts.
It is all about striking a balance, Dalot is not an untouchable player, no doubt he has been one of our most consistent players over ETHs tenure, but is anyone under the impression that he is world class?
For Amorim he could easily be a really useful squad player, he is capable at either wing or full back positions, however do we really envisage him eventually being the starter in one of those positions in Amorim's ideal first 11? I do not think he offers enough in either assists or goal threat to justify a starting spot.
So it is how much is he worth and how much are we being offered, it is pie in the sky because I do not believe anyone is proposing this but if there was an option of selling Dalot for £50m this would be an instant cash injection would mean we could amortise the purchases well in excess of the £50m, for arguments sake, if we were interested in Davies then maybe Bayern take £10m now rather than losing him for free in the summer? that would be an example of not only an acceptable trade off as it would significantly improve the 1st 11, there may be other players not Davies that was just an example
In theory if we were to get £50m cash up front for Dalot in January (not happening but) then we can spend £50m upfront in Jan and amortise the rest over the term of the contract, this could equate to up to £250m in purchases in January! (I know it is more complicated as the wages would also need to be accounted for).
Ignoring Davies, we have Malacia, Amass, and Kunkonki in theory at LWB, we could resign Alvaro Fernandez for £16.7m and I do not think we would be any worse off than if we had retained Dalot and would be better in attack, and we would easily have enough to buy another striker.... big issue remaining is who is available in January anyway.
If the Dalot sale were to be an option how it should be viewed as a package with incomings, IMO the same would be true of any player in our current squad, for the right price it should be viewed as what it can do for us.
Sounds like we're about to spend about £3m on Diego Leon, a highly rated left back about to turn 18 although you wouldn't think it to look at him, he's a real unit. Looks a lot more suitable for a left wing back role. €50m for a player who doesn't fit in our system should be an obvious bit of business really.
his constant brain farts on both ends of the pitch is annoying for fans.
If we can get 50M it is a no brainer
If we can get 50M it is a no brainer
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Please sell. He is ok but not United standard. Always has his usual brain fart.
Sell sell sell!
40m for Dalot is almost too good to be true, but hey it’s soon Christmas and Santa Claus is coming.
40m for Dalot is almost too good to be true, but hey it’s soon Christmas and Santa Claus is coming.
He was good last season, much improved on his previous 5 years at the club. But he's been poor this year and it's hard to see where he fits into Amorims 343. He's not great going forward so wing back isn't the answer and I don't know if he's good enough defensively to play on the right of a 3.
Remember his European debut well due to how comically bad he was defensively. He's a lot better now than he was then, but that's not hard given how low he set the bar.
To be honest, I do think he's arguably our best LWB option to complement Garnacho at the moment. They actually looked a threat together when Dalot came on for the 2nd half against Bodo/Glimt as Dalot had been instructed to drift into the LAM role when attacking, which allowed Garnacho to drift into more of a LWF role which suits him more than the typical LAM role of Amorim's system. Thought it was a good tactical tweak on Amorim's part and was probably our most dominant half of football under him yet.
Not sure it work so well against better opposition though, as Dalot's lack of defensive nous would probably leave us too exposed. Mazrouai would then be a better 'LWB/floating LAM' as he has much better awareness of when to go forward/stay back.
To be honest, I do think he's arguably our best LWB option to complement Garnacho at the moment. They actually looked a threat together when Dalot came on for the 2nd half against Bodo/Glimt as Dalot had been instructed to drift into the LAM role when attacking, which allowed Garnacho to drift into more of a LWF role which suits him more than the typical LAM role of Amorim's system. Thought it was a good tactical tweak on Amorim's part and was probably our most dominant half of football under him yet.
Not sure it work so well against better opposition though, as Dalot's lack of defensive nous would probably leave us too exposed. Mazrouai would then be a better 'LWB/floating LAM' as he has much better awareness of when to go forward/stay back.
Backup RWB but that’s it. Sell if not.
I'm aware of the issues with Dalot, but as we only have two serious full-back options in our squad, it would be dumb to let him leave. Just buy a new LWB and have Dalot as a back-up for RWB and LWB and I'm fine with it.
He’s not going to happy with that role and he’s one of our only sellable assets that would turn a profit.
There’s obviously much worse players who we’d want to ideally get rid of first but there’s no market for them due to high wages, generally being shite and amortisation.
Any offer for Dalot that is not a piss take should be considered - same for all the players bar a handful.
Hes still one of the players which can work very very well in a well oiled team. Never gets injured, plays two position, works hard, on lower wages. Our best and most consistent player last year too.
Sure a bit moody, but once the system is implemented, it would be a shame not to have a versatile player like him in the team. He should not just play wingback. RCB should be his aim and defensive RWB in tough games should be giving him 20+10 games per season. 50m quid pricetag should be in todays world justifiable. Question is can we reinvest the money as smoothly as with Mazroui?
Sure a bit moody, but once the system is implemented, it would be a shame not to have a versatile player like him in the team. He should not just play wingback. RCB should be his aim and defensive RWB in tough games should be giving him 20+10 games per season. 50m quid pricetag should be in todays world justifiable. Question is can we reinvest the money as smoothly as with Mazroui?
Anything above 20m and I’d snap their hand off. We’d make our money back, and after Mazroui and Malacia I’m sure we’d be able to pickup a good wing back for around the same money
Not this rubbsh again....
Frustrating player, finds himself in good positions but never manages to get the final shot or pass off to make it threatening. With that said, he still has burst of energy and doesn’t need replacing urgently. He shouldn’t be our priority to replace yet. Maybe once we’ve sorted the midfield, CAM and dead weights etc Shaw.
Agreed. We berate the lack of athleticism in our squad, players ability to stay fit, and lack of recovery pace in defence and yet we want to sell probably the best athlete in the squad, most durable along with Bruno and who could be an option in the future as RCB and allow us to play a higher line and more on the front foot. Its an easy keep unless its ridiculous money