Diogo Dalot (Out)

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Are the Italian clubs just using the buy options to get loan deals now? They figured a smart way to manoeuvre around the permanent deal obligations.
 
Fooza said:
Are the Italian clubs just using the buy options to get loan deals now? They figured a smart way to manoeuvre around the permanent deal obligations.
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Yeah basically, they have no intention of making these moves permanent but use it as a way to incentivise clubs to loan them players. It’s clever, if an obvious tactic.
 
I wonder what he's done to be so massively out of favour. Didn't seem that bad at all when he played but I completely trust Ole's judgement.
 
GDaly95 said:
I wonder what he's done to be so massively out of favour. Didn't seem that bad at all when he played but I completely trust Ole's judgement.
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Not been fit. He's been injured for like 18 months since joining us and the chances he's got most recently have been as a winger. He's not getting ahead of AWB at this point.
 
Devil_forever said:
Yeah basically, they have no intention of making these moves permanent but use it as a way to incentivise clubs to loan them players. It’s clever, if an obvious tactic.
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We're getting played by the Italian clubs but then again we've put ourselves in that position by having a bloated squad full of mediocre players on high wages. Beggars can't be choosers.
 
Another potential loan with an "option to buy".

This is a result of paying high wages for average players. I'd rather we sell these players for less than they are worth then still have their wages and presence still hanging over the club next summer.
 
Devil_forever said:
He could really kick on there and come back to challenge AWB, he’s never had a proper run in the side to be judged. Hope this deal goes through.
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That would be great if it worked out like that. I wanted Dalot to do well and am sure there is a quality footballer in there.
 
Good deal overall. He has barely got any chance here and when he did, he was mostly disappointing, so it's a good time to let him play regularly in another league and see if he has it in him or not.
 
I'm probably in the minority but I always though Dalot looked technically decent and had potential.

He's obviously not in Ole's plans so hopefully we can shift him
 
Too injury prone sadly. I thought there was some potential there but if you can't keep fit then you'll never show it.

A championship loan would have done him good as I'm not sure he was quite ready.
 
Such a weird signing. Has never looked anywhere near the "next best RB" we were lead to believe he was.

Meh at defending, meh at going forward. Such an un-noteworthy player for us.
 
Don't know if there are any stats out there about how often an option to buy turns into a full transfer but it is not unheard of, Kovacic being one recent example although admittedly Chelsea were in bit of a hole when the time came around. I understand that with a commitment to buy the club taking the player on loan generally gets to negotiate a bit of a discount because they are locking themselves in before the loan and so if the player is a bust they are stuck. The option to buy gives more flexibility but tends to be a higher fee because the selling club wants to protect against the player having an awesome season and then being obliged to sell below market value. If Dalot, or Pereira, do well on loan they will attract permanent offers from somewhere even if it is not from the clubs they have been loaned to, so we still get the benefit of a loan fee, getting some of their wages off the books and putting them in the shop window for other clubs to assess. I would rather this than watch them play 10 games or less in the cups when nobody is paying attention.
 
We signed him injured. When his knee healed, it got reaggrivated very quickly.. It turned out he has chronic hip issues. We sent him to specialists all across the world. It looks like the issues might be behind him but now we've invested in AWB. Just an unlucly lad. Hope he goes and has a good career.
 
groovyalbert said:
Such a weird signing. Has never looked anywhere near the "next best RB" we were lead to believe he was.

Meh at defending, meh at going forward. Such an un-noteworthy player for us.
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He seriously lacks any cutting edge to make it at the top level. Maybe the United move came too soon for him? Maybe he's just doesn't want it enough? Either way he's been absolutely average. That Uruguayan lad we had at RB was miles better.
 
crossy1686 said:
He seriously lacks any cutting edge to make it at the top level. Maybe the United move came too soon for him? Maybe he's just doesn't want it enough? Either way he's been absolutely average. That Uruguayan lad we had at RB was miles better.
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Varela! There was definitely a potential cult-hero vibe to him. Both nowhere near the standard. Although he fact Dalot cost roughly 10x the amount Varela did does leave a pretty bitter taste.
 
buckooo1978 said:
I'm probably in the minority but I always though Dalot looked technically decent and had potential.
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I join your minority. Injuries didn't do him any favours as it's hard to show improvement and impress if you can't even play, but I don't think Solskjaer ever fancied him anyway.
 
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Not been fit. He's been injured for like 18 months since joining us and the chances he's got most recently have been as a winger. He's not getting ahead of AWB at this point.
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Let's say we want to move into the 21st century and play with a fullback that provides something going forward rather than all defence and no attack. Not saying this new FB has to necessarily be Dalot, but what if we loaned him, he played a considerable amount at Milan and played really well in an attacking sense, all the while we improved our centre backs. Then at the end of the season/summer we make the decision to put AWB as second choice because our defence is stronger due to better CB and instead we need output from the RB which could be what Dalot could become at Milan. Or it could be a new player entirely.

All I'm saying is, why not give Dalot a loan spell to try and play himself into contention for that RB spot. That's all depending on whether we have a change in mentality of what a fullback needs to be able to do
 
A loan with option to buy can be a great opportunity. Provided he actually plays. Even if Milan don't buy him, maybe someone else from Italy will. And even if noone does, a full season of football will do Dalot a world of good.

Also, Ole doesn't rate him, but who knows how long he will be the manager. Maybe next year, if Dalot comes back, we have someone in charge who can develop him into a decent option.

If nothing of the above comes to fruition, then it's just another case of recruiting shit players, for which we deservedly have to pay anyway.
 
What's the verdict on him then? Player with potential who just didn't work out, or bad scouting?
 
Big Ben Foster said:
What's the verdict on him then? Player with potential who just didn't work out, or bad scouting?
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We took a punt at 20m on what looked to be a very talented player, could have been a master stroke, didn't work out as expected.

He's only 21, needs to play football, let's give him a year in Italy and see how it goes. I'm. not convinced with AWB, limited player who we over paid for.

Let's come back in 12 months and see where we are with Dalot, Laird and Williams. We probably keep one out of the 3 long term.
 
hey friends:

a little info on why many Italian clubs use the loan + option for most deals

1) no obligation (obvious)
2) doesnt hit you for FFP reasons on the books. obligation would show as an immediate impact on the balance sheet. option does not
3) when a club is 100% certain to want the player, see what Milan did w Tonali: 10m loan + option at 15m (no club would pony 10m for 1yr if they werent paying the rest)

When you dont get EPL tv rights monies, this is what they gotta do. Doesnt ALWAYS mean they arent picking up the option.
 


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AC Milan are closing on the deal to sign Diogo Dalot from Manchester United. #MUFC are now open to accept a simple loan [no buy option] to have Dalot back on next June. Talks at final stages - AC Milan are leading the race over Roma right now.
 
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MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Even on his best days it was clear as hell he had no capability to defend. Fans out of desperation wanted him to play as RW when going forward he was pretty mediocre too.
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He never seemed to have that doggedness that is needed of a fullback. Williams has it in full and I'm looking forward to seeing him getting those back up right back minutes now if Telles arrives.
 
The United move came too early for him. Should have been loaned out. Hope he gets plenty of game time in Italy
 
izec said:
The United move came too early for him. Should have been loaned out. Hope he gets plenty of game time in Italy
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That's for damn sure, remember everyone was hoping we'd got the next best thing before his star could take off such was the few games he'd played for Porto, should have known it would go the other way

I wonder if we tried to send him back to Porto as part of these alleged Telles talks?
 
very hard done by at United imo. hope he goes and has a very successful loan at Milan
 
Another young player who's pissed away a couple of key years of his development at United.

Should be a warning to any young player considering this club.
 
Skills said:
Another young player who's pissed away a couple of key years of his development at United.

Should be a warning to any young player considering this club.
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Or maybe he just wasn’t any good in the first place.
 
Skills said:
Another young player who's pissed away a couple of key years of his development at United.

Should be a warning to any young player considering this club.
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He should never have been bought. Baffling how we scouted Porto but decided on him over Pereira who left the same summer and is one of the best in the PL.
 
Skills said:
Another young player who's pissed away a couple of key years of his development at United.

Should be a warning to any young player considering this club.
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He wasn’t good enough. Sometimes these deals work, sometimes they don’t.
 
What's the benefit to Man Utd for loaning him out. He only comes back next season back into the team or he really shines and the club wants him?
 
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