For what it’s worth several players have mentioned Dalot as one of the quickest in sprint tests, which I imagine measure the first 10-20m.
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For what it’s worth several players have mentioned Dalot as one of the quickest in sprint tests, which I imagine measure the first 10-20m.
He probably is but then that's only compared to our players. I've voiced my concern about how slow our team is for a few years. Rashford probably was when he was super lean a couple of years ago but nowadays, with Elanga gone as well, it might very well be Dalot. Garnacho is quite fast without being rapid but he's very quick with the ball, I reckon he might have a quicker 10m than Dalot.
Why are people questioning his speed? Do you guys not watch our games or what?
To be worried about Dalot's speed and endurance.
I suppose football is all about opinions but sometimes you have to wonder what people are watching.
I suppose football is all about opinions but sometimes you have to wonder what people are watching.
Dalot is lightning fast and easily the fittest player we have along side Bruno.
Nobody is worried about his speed you eggheads.
The question was "Could he do a Valencia for us" and I remember Valencia as being a tireless runner that was, for the most part, deceptively quicker than his counterparts. Not seeing Dalot like that, shouldn't be something that gets you up in arms, mainly because he was never applied in such a role. I am also not sure whether I heard anybody outside of the United bubble mentioning his speed, but that might just be me.
I am sure, Dalot would love how you guys are supporting him.
No, you questioned his speed and endurance. 2 things that he unquestionably has. FB is probably the most physically demanding position on the pitch so I find it incredibly weird that you think he wouldn't have the physical attributes to play on the wing. I personally doubt he would have the attacking instincts to play there but may do a job in a big game to help solidify us.
Sorry, that you misunderstood me then. This was the question:
And I think no, he couldn't because even if would call him very fit, I haven't really seen him being outrageously fast, something I remember Valencia for. Same goes for energy levels.
Saying he couldn't "do a Valencia" isn't questioning his speed and endurance. There aren't many players in my eyes, who could "do a Valencia". No reason to get defensive when somebody thinks a current player isn't on the same level yet then one of the best ones (I've seen for United, in terms of speed and energy levels). I haven't said he couldn't play RWB at all, I am only doubtful he could play it like Valencia did at his peak. (And I have no idea how anybody could be so sure about Dalot being able to do so, as he has never really played that position and even as a more classic Fullback, he didn't really stand out as an ironlung like Evra or even Shaw in his early years.
And this was your reply. He's far more intense than Shaw has been for quite a long time. He's far faster than Shaw has been for quite a long time. He may have a little less acceleration than Valencia in his prime but that's about it. Where I think he would be lacking is in his attacking instincts but that is also why Valencia was moved back into defence.
Edit: Why are you talking about RWB? Nobody has even mentioned RWB.
Its when you said you don't think he's quick enough.
It gave the impression you didn't think he was quick enough.
When Pogue said "do a Valencia" I don't think he meant a literal carbon copy.
It's especially weird when you consider the fact that he's faster than all of our current wingers.
Yes it was. "I am not sure" (which means the following item is not to be seen as a fact) "if he is quick enough and has the energy" --> "to do a Valencia". Again, sorry that you misunderstood that sentence but I don't see any mistake other than keeping it rather short.
I don't consider any player in our squad as intense. Bruno on most days would be I guess, but apart from that... I guess we have two very different definitions of the word. Maybe Dalot is more intense than Shaw, I find that selfreferencing stuff lacks quite a bit of substance as long as our team and its players are as dysfunctional as they are these days. I don't really care who is slightly less X than another player from our team. We aren't playing against ourselves.
You are right. It hasn't been mentioned but I thought Dalot in front of AWB would completely end any attacking power down the right side so why would anybody want this? I thought, the poster may have had a 3atb formation in mind with AWB as RCB, Dalot as RW or RWB, and an attacker in the right channel. Can't believe the poster really wanted to try Dalot at RF like Antony or whoever is playing there. But you are right, maybe I misunderstood the assignment.
You thought this even though Pogue specifically said RW?
This conversation is going around in circles, I think we'll leave it here.
Any Dalot praise really does rile some people up 
As does criticism, redcafe....Any Dalot praise really does rile some people up
Fair criticism is welcome. He was prone to brain farts before last season but has largely cut them out of his game. He was prone to being bullied by fast and strong wingers before last season but he's largely cut that out of his game as well. He still has some work to do on his final ball although he has improved this season. He can be caught out of position but obviously he has been asked to come inside into midfield to help build up play so that is a mitigating factor.
He is a good player with moderate level of technical ability, he is not impenetrable but is decent. Can sometimes be inconsistent but there are few specialist RBs available except one uses a CB/RB hybrid
He said "on the right wing" which, to me, not necessarily exclude RWB position wise. Not even RF if you will. And as I said, why would anybody try to put a fullback there who isn't known for his attacking output. And in front of a RB who is also not known for his attacking contribution? Didn't make sense to me and have trouble to believe that this is something the poster seriously would consider. But you are right, lets leave it here.
He was bought in as a first team player and it took him nearly 6 years to finally be good enough to beat AWB for a spot. Only reason we can make do with him right now is because there’s far more pressing positions that needs to be fixed in the starting 11.
The only real reason he’s still here in the first place was because he wasn’t good enough on loan at Milan that they didn’t bother trying to get him on a permanent deal.
5 years for a player to finally be average and people think he’s a successful signing. Some of your expectations are fecking low
And it’s mental that everyone ignored the guy I was initially replying who said that Dalot is the only successful signing since Sir Alex left. That’s the real shit take.
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Did someone really say that?
Yes. There’s a lot more players I’ll put ahead of Dalot in terms of being a successful signing. Dalot hasn’t even played well for more than 30 games, he’s nowhere near a successful signing unless he keeps this up for a few seasons.Did someone really say that?
You're wrong about almost everything in this post but you are right that yer man's take is mental. He's not even the most successful Portuguese signing we've made.He was bought in as a first team player and it took him nearly 6 years to finally be good enough to beat AWB for a spot. Only reason we can make do with him right now is because there’s far more pressing positions that needs to be fixed in the starting 11.
The only real reason he’s still here in the first place was because he wasn’t good enough on loan at Milan that they didn’t bother trying to get him on a permanent deal.
5 years for a player to finally be average and people think he’s a successful signing. Some of your expectations are fecking low
And it’s mental that everyone ignored the guy I was initially replying who said that Dalot is the only successful signing since Sir Alex left. That’s the real shit take.
He was bought in as a first team player and it took him nearly 6 years to finally be good enough to beat AWB for a spot. Only reason we can make do with him right now is because there’s far more pressing positions that needs to be fixed in the starting 11.
The only real reason he’s still here in the first place was because he wasn’t good enough on loan at Milan that they didn’t bother trying to get him on a permanent deal.
5 years for a player to finally be average and people think he’s a successful signing. Some of your expectations are fecking low
And it’s mental that everyone ignored the guy I was initially replying who said that Dalot is the only successful signing since Sir Alex left. That’s the real shit take.
Dalot was not given any chance by OSG. From the moment he started playing under Rangnick, it was obvious that he was better than AWB. So he has been better than AWB for 2 years already. And he is a player that if sold now, he could easily fetch north of 40 millions, which is a big profit. On the contrary, AWB wouldnt even fetch half of what we paid.
Milan did want to buy him, but us asking 20 million (even though it was clear that our head coach didn't rate him) and Milan being skint, made any deal difficult. Note that during his loan spell there, it was actually his first year when he actually started playing regularly, so it is easy to understand why Milan did not want to spend that much for a raw player who is not a generational talent.
To be fair, it really does matter on your/everybody's definition of 'doing a Valencia (at RW in front of AWB)'.
Apart from several good/very good seasons where he was really productive with goals and assists, he was mostly used as a 'safe' RW wide player. Namely, a strong defensive, tactical and positional player, who would help with locking down that channel but also be a good outlet for width, ball retention and attacking productivity. However, I would say the last one there became almost of an arbitrary output rather than the focus. If we want to be harsh, he had less 'attacking' seasons than he did not and whilst he wasn't the sole reason of our 'post Ronaldo beginning of the end demise' that many of us lamented at the time, he was one player we thought should have been a Robben/Ribery instead. @Valencia Shin Crosses isn't a username without reason and we shouldn't really look with too many rose tinted glasses of his time there in that position. I will say though as a RB, he was outstanding for a period.
So for the latter part of Valencia's RW career, Dalot absolutely can do a job there for what I would imagine isolated in incidences e.g off the top of my head in a game versus Madrid against Vinicius Jr or if we have no RW option at all due to injuries. In both I would imagine he could 'perform' a 'good' job there. Dalot has the athletic, technical and all around game to be an option to be that defensive cover but also, his take on/1-vs-1 ability is underrated, where he could provide good width and penetration from an attacking perspective.
It's all extrapolation but I think based on what we've seen, it's not the wildest claim. Well at least on my interpretation of the original comment.
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He hasn’t really. He was better before the World Cup, but post World Cup it was AWB who performed better.
This is the only season where he’s comfortably ahead of AWB.
I disagree. Not because he was great post world cup. It is just AWB's level is really low.
The only time that AWB was better than Dalot was vs Newcastle and Brighton.
And again, Dalot was not great during Rangnick. He was better than AWB, just because AWB was sockingly bad.
I never said Dalot was great. It’s why I’ve kept saying that Dalot has been average at best and waiting almost 6 years for a player to turn out to be average is a dud signing.
We should have developed someone else instead of wasting time and money on him and AWB.
Dalot has played 151 games for us and you think he's been good for less than 30 of them? Am I in the twilight zone?
He was too inconsistent in past seasons but still good in the majority of games. His issue was always consistency. He made critical mistakes (usually due to lack of concentration) in maybe 20% of games. For him to go from mediocre to good, it was always going to be about reducing that percentage and adding some extra attacking dimension to his game. He's unquestionably done that this season and now is when we want to criticize him?
I’ll happily take the counter-position here.
On this season's performances, there are very few RBs that you could reasonably describe as "far better". Dalot is doing what he's doing in the worst United side and system in decades, with constantly changing CBs next to him and a CDM having an atrocious season. And even though the PL is rich in RBs right now, I think he'd start for anyone bar Liverpool, City, and Spurs. Trippier is getting error-prone, Ben White has not been better this season and benefits hugely from Gabriel+Saliba+Rice, and Reece James is looking increasingly injury-prone at 24. Put Dalot alongside a stronger, stable CB pairing with a good CDM in front of the back line and see what happens when it's an apples-to-apples comparison.
On top of that, most of the other top RBs are comparatively one-dimensional vs Dalot. Barring Walker, no other RB has his athleticism and recovery pace (White is rapid but less physical). And he's become much more influential going forward as an extra man in midfield while also ironing out most of his errors. Unfortunately, I think you may get your wish in 1-2 years as I suspect Madrid will come knocking. But make no mistake, he's been very far from mediocre.
He's had a fantastic season, has an incredible mentality (wish more of our players had), and is easily our POTY.
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Which right backs that are available to us would you sign, given the opportunity?
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Even so called experts cant decide if he was sub-par, average or above-average...
None of those are written by experts.
You can’t be talking about Dalot here?
Fact that you think he was brought in as a 1st team player (a 19y old from Portuguese league) makes me doubt any judgement you have on the player..He was bought in as a first team player and it took him nearly 6 years to finally be good enough to beat AWB for a spot. Only reason we can make do with him right now is because there’s far more pressing positions that needs to be fixed in the starting 11.
The only real reason he’s still here in the first place was because he wasn’t good enough on loan at Milan that they didn’t bother trying to get him on a permanent deal.
5 years for a player to finally be average and people think he’s a successful signing. Some of your expectations are fecking low
And it’s mental that everyone ignored the guy I was initially replying who said that Dalot is the only successful signing since Sir Alex left. That’s the real shit take.
Also ots expected to have nuances instead of this all or nothing
Well really wantedus to sign Gusto or Livaramento efore they made moves. Vanderson would be the player now
An incredible season sums up how things are so bad fans nowcelebrate mediocrity. Cash,Gusto White,Trippier, Livaramento,Bradly, Walker......there are loads ofbettr rbs than DAlot...he is 25...not a promising youngster...He hashad a "decent" season that has possible earned him theplayer ofthe year....which is sad more than anything, its how awful the performances have been
None of these players are better than Dalot, younger though. It would be a good idea to ship out AWB and get in Vanderson potentially. What's Vanderson's fitness record like?
Story of the last XI years. Except De Gea, who was genuinely world class for a couple of seasons in the middle, no one else can claim to have performed on an elite level consistently to win the award.
who celebrates mediocrity? Player of the year just means the best performer in a particular season. Performance itself could be average - and it would be enough if it was still the best of the lot
I always rated him and just thought he had to get good game time and adjusted to the Premier League.
It is not that long ago when so many posters were banging on about Timber and how he should be our new RB and what he would bring to our team which I used to have a chuckle about.
We already had Dalot whom could cover both fullback roles, was quicker and bigger and can score a goal and was already at the club.
It is not that long ago when so many posters were banging on about Timber and how he should be our new RB and what he would bring to our team which I used to have a chuckle about.
We already had Dalot whom could cover both fullback roles, was quicker and bigger and can score a goal and was already at the club.
We could try him as a DM for a few games
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