Dier or Matic

Which player would you prefer us to sign?

  • Matic

    Votes: 40 19.2%

  • Dier

    Votes: 84 40.4%

  • Both

    Votes: 4 1.9%

  • Neither

    Votes: 67 32.2%

  • Eboue

    Votes: 13 6.3%
  • Total voters
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Globule said:
Yours was one of the posts I was responding to, but you're not alone. The thing is, how long can you realistically expect a midfield to stick together. You could easily get 4 seasons out of Matic. That's plenty of time. And whoever we get, I wouldn't be surprised to see us targeting a midfielder next year anyway.
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If we (magically, i have no faith in this) get Weigl for example, I'd expect us to have a top midfield for around 6-7 years before needing someone to go in for Herrera. I believe having a already settled midfield for those extra years means getting the extra bit out of them.
(like Xavi & Iniesta partnership at barca for example, where they for one were top players, but had played together all their lives so performed even better as partners)

I'd be surprised if we would get Weigl & then target a new midfielder the next summer, at least if it's not for backup/rotational purpose.
 
I'd prefer Herrera in the holding role to those two. Don't think they are bad, but they aren't an improvement either.
 
bucky said:
I'd prefer Herrera in the holding role to those two. Don't think they are bad, but they aren't an improvement either.
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agree to an extent but don't you think Herrera is too good to be restricted in that role

given his skill set he and Pogba could be two fantastic box to box midfielders ahead of a talented DM
 
buckooo1978 said:
agree to an extent but don't you think Herrera is too good to be restricted in that role

given his skill set he and Pogba could be two fantastic box to box midfielders ahead of a talented DM
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This, however not ahead of Dier or Matic. Dier is too sloppy imo, which isn't what you want in a DM. Matic is great but fairly inconsistent and limited.

I'd be happy with a bit of a gamble in Fabinho or even going all out for Nainggolan.
 
Both are not in my personal top 3 choice (unrealistic included): Casemiro, NZonzi, Fabinho. Still would have either of them as seeing tactical sense with having either if we have to come to that, but don't give fuss with we don't get them neither. So basically Eboue option.
 
Amadaeus said:
I am glad some nobody thinks that :lol:. Nevertherless, it seems you simple do not understand the dynamics of that midfield or underrates the players being bought/told to do a job in a specific role.
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I don't mind Herrera playing sm, he's been brilliant when on defensive duties for us, i just don't want Fellaini anywhere near our team ;)
I do like Blind, but honestly don't think he's good enough to play dm for us.
It's a very important position in Mourinho's system. And he's also too slow.
 
buckooo1978 said:
agree to an extent but don't you think Herrera is too good to be restricted in that role

given his skill set he and Pogba could be two fantastic box to box midfielders ahead of a talented DM
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Depends how you see that role. I don't see it as a restriction per se. Especially when the rumoured players aren't all that compared to Herrera. He's played there for Bilbao as well. Ultimately it comes down to what kind of formation we are going to use, whether it's mostly a 3 man midfield or 2. If it's the latter, Herrera won't be restricted at all IMO. If it's going to be a 3 man midfield, it depends on what kind of player we bring in. I'd prefer Seri and Nainggolan to Dier and Matic, even if that would mean playing Herrera deeper. It's more than likely that we continue to use a 2 man midfield though, and only switch to a midfield 3 during the big games.
 
Meh, much for much. Similar level imo even though Matic is a better passer imo. Matic is unlikely now so Dier would be fine. Based on what seems to be happening I don't think either Fabinho or Nainggolan (not really a dm anyway though I have no doubt he could play the role) are available so he's a decent alternative. Similarly can't see Weigl being available (this season at least). A realistic alternative I wouldn't mind is Jorginho but aside from that there doesn't seem to be many realistic options for dm. It's probably the weakest position in world football right now tbh.
 
Infra-red said:
In a 4-2-3-1 he would, yes. I would guess Mourinho will continue his long-standing preference of bringing in an industrious midfielder and switching to 4-3-3 for the big games. For plan A though, I would think he'll certainly want Lukaku being closely supported by a #10/SS, due to the nature of his game. I suppose it is possible that Pogba becomes that #10...
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He wouldn't, like he didn't all those times when we played 4-2-3-1. Herrera will compete for #6 in that formation with everyone else, be it newcomers like Fabinho or Matić… or Carrick and Fellaini, depending on the opponent or the particular strategy. Not seeing Pogba as #10, ever.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Meh, much for much. Similar level imo even though Matic is a better passer imo. Matic is unlikely now so Dier would be fine. Based on what seems to be happening I don't think either Fabinho or Nainggolan (not really a dm anyway though I have no doubt he could play the role) are available so he's a decent alternative. Similarly can't see Weigl being available (this season at least). A realistic alternative I wouldn't mind is Jorginho but aside from that there doesn't seem to be many realistic options for dm. It's probably the weakest position in world football right now tbh.
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Why is Matic unlikely but Dier is on? I'd be fecking amazed if Spurs sold Dier to us.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
Why is Matic unlikely but Dier is on? I'd be fecking amazed if Spurs sold Dier to us.
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Because we just screwed Chelsea out of getting Lukaku. Can't imagine they're in a hurry to sell any players to us this summer. Spurs would sell Dier because he's their 2nd choice dm behind Wanyama and he's an English international who'll want playing time ahead of the World Cup so he would likely jump at the chance to join Utd. For £40-50m I'm pretty sure Spurs would sell.
 
Not crazy about either. Matic is better but quite a bit older. Would prefer to spunk a load on weigl or just keep herrera there and change the system slightly then get dier though, hes bang average IMO.
 
bosnian_red said:
Not crazy about either. Matic is better but quite a bit older. Would prefer to spunk a load on weigl or just keep herrera there and change the system slightly then get dier though, hes bang average IMO.
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I think Dier would do very well, particularly with Mourinho coaching him.

Young players who come up at a smaller club like Spurs more often than not kick on when they move to the top level.
 
Grylte said:
I don't mind Herrera playing sm, he's been brilliant when on defensive duties for us, i just don't want Fellaini anywhere near our team ;)
I do like Blind, but honestly don't think he's good enough to play dm for us.
It's a very important position in Mourinho's system. And he's also too slow.
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Ahhh, I see. Then I agree with you 100%. Fellaini is just there as back up if something's happens to first and second choice in that role. I think Blind is an intelligent player and can be like our new version of Carrick in that role if given the opportunity.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Because we just screwed Chelsea out of getting Lukaku. Can't imagine they're in a hurry to sell any players to us this summer. Spurs would sell Dier because he's their 2nd choice dm behind Wanyama and he's an English international who'll want playing time ahead of the World Cup so he would likely jump at the chance to join Utd. For £40-50m I'm pretty sure Spurs would sell.
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He's still a key part of their squad. I don't see Levy strengthening a rival even for £50m, he did it with Berbatov but not again.
 
Dazzmondo said:
He's their 2nd choice dm. They could replace him.
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Fair enough, I don't see it personally. They've made noises that he isn't for sale 'at any price', which could be bollocks, but I think they'll want to keep him, would prefer not to help strengthen us in CM and for what it's worth I get the feeling Dier is happy there working under Poch. He'll play for England if he loses a limb to be honest, our CM options aren't great without him.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
Fair enough, I don't see it personally. They've made noises that he isn't for sale 'at any price', which could be bollocks, but I think they'll want to keep him, would prefer not to help strengthen us in CM and for what it's worth I get the feeling Dier is happy there working under Poch. He'll play for England if he loses a limb to be honest, our CM options aren't great without him.
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We'll see. I'm not too pushed tbh. I think most of the dms we've been linked with are at a similar level. None of them are world class players including Fabinho. They'll just give the side more balance.
 
Escape Goat said:
Young players .... more often than not kick on when they move to the top level.
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Does that mean Dier would likely not thrive if he moved down to a team that finished effectively 18 points lower in the league table?
 
GlastonSpur said:
Does that mean Dier would likely not thrive if he moved down to a team that finished effectively 18 points lower in the league table?
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Maybe he'd like to win a trophy or two :p

I get what you mean, under Poch at Spurs Dier has every opportunity to improve and develop his game. Should he stay how do you see his season panning out? What does he need to do to win his place back off Wanyama?
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
Maybe he'd like to win a trophy or two :p

I get what you mean, under Poch at Spurs Dier has every opportunity to improve and develop his game. Should he stay how do you see his season panning out? What does he need to do to win his place back off Wanyama?
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He isn't not playing in CM because of Wanyama. He now starts as part of our back 3 because that's currently where he can contribute the most to the team's overall strength compared to the alternative if someone else (besides Alderweireld and Vertonghen) was playing in the back 3 instead of him.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He isn't not playing in CM because of Wanyama. He now starts as part of our back 3 because that's currently where he can contribute the most to the team's overall strength compared to the alternative if someone else (besides Alderweireld and Vertonghen) was playing in the back 3 instead of him.
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Ah right. I've obviously bought into the media narrative of him having 'lost his place' but he's still in the team, just being used in a different way.
 
Dier started 34 EPL matches last season making him a firm starter and integral part of the team. Price wise he would cost more then £60Mil and closer to £70Mil with add-ons. City is going after Walker who will cost them at least £60Mil and he is 27, also Dier is much more integral to our system do this versatility, future potential, and playing longevity that along with him being a England international and selling to a direct rival the fee for him gets into silly territory.

Personally, I think United should steer away at that price point as it simply isn't worth it and look for alternatives around Europe were the fee-to-ability is much more reasonable.
 
I would prefer Dier. Has much more potential to reach. I like players to come with more room for improvement as United will be a perfect club to grow into something special. Matic has already reached his potential, which is still a good level, but cant get any better significantly.
 
Between the two ? Dier and it's not even close in my mind as not only is Dier like 6 years younger and has his best years in front of him he can also play centre back or right back IF needed, is a mainstay of the England team and experienced in European football.
 
Escape Goat said:
Completely missing the point.
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On the contrary, you mentioned young players often kicking on when they move to the top level ... but it's questionable that United's level is higher than that of Spurs these days.
 
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