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Dier or Matic (if we absolutely have to)?
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Quiet down, you.
Dier, then, but it is academic as he won't be sold. Matic is the only one who might be available, and we will be shafted on price.
Matic because he's a better baller and cheaper.
Maybe we'll get Dier next year after he kicks up a fuss.
Maybe we'll get Dier next year after he kicks up a fuss.
If we sign Matic i wonder if Pogba might be tested as the 10 in the 4-2-3-1. He played the last 10-15 mins there last friendly. Matic would slot in nicely as the left CM being left footed and him and Herrera complement each other nicely. Pogba adds further power/height which Mourinho loves and we might finally see Pogba get a few more goals. 4-3-3 with Matic holding would work just as well, though. Plenty of options depending on opposition.
Long-term i'd imagine Dier would edge it but we shouldn't underestimate the effects of adding proven league winners to the team.
Potentially (Rashford/Martial would get plenty matches don't worry):
--------------- Lukaku
Perisic -------- Pogba --------- Mkhi
-------- Matic -------- Herrera
Long-term i'd imagine Dier would edge it but we shouldn't underestimate the effects of adding proven league winners to the team.
Potentially (Rashford/Martial would get plenty matches don't worry):
--------------- Lukaku
Perisic -------- Pogba --------- Mkhi
-------- Matic -------- Herrera
Do we need the bracketed comment in the title?
If all was equal Matic would be first choice everytime- Dier though has the potential to be at that level and can cover at the back as well. If he was quicker it would help. Having said that Matic would secure Fosu-Mensah being integrated fully into a CDM role if that's Mourinho's long-term plan for him- Not exactly a bad player to learn from. And Jose knows him inside out and he doesn't need moulding into the role. Matic then? Plus any less time spent dealing with Levy the better.
Dier,he is English which means he cant be bad by default,he is younger and he also said to see Herrera on the pitch or something,so guess transfer would provide him to be with Ander all the time.
I forgot about this. Didn't he instantly backtrack?Definitely Matic. Under Mourinho he reached a level that Dier is incapable of ever reaching. If Mourinho can get him back to that level he'd be the signing of the Summer.
The fact that our manager is in for him suggests he believes his form last year was down to the tactics of Conte, rather than a 28 year old randomly losing his ability.
I also think Matic would perfectly suit both a 4-2-3-1 and a 4-3-3, whereas Dier I feel would be insufficiently protected in a 2 man midfield alongside Pogba.
The fact that our manager is in for him suggests he believes his form last year was down to the tactics of Conte, rather than a 28 year old randomly losing his ability.
I also think Matic would perfectly suit both a 4-2-3-1 and a 4-3-3, whereas Dier I feel would be insufficiently protected in a 2 man midfield alongside Pogba.
With the injury problems to our defender, Dier can help out there. But Matic is probably better.
I didn't want a load of people saying we should sign neither, or Fabinho, or some random young DM who has been impressing in a different league.
Dier is terrible and has the Spurs mentality of 'winning without actually winning.'
Matic has the mentality of a Premier League winner.
Matic for me every day of the week.
Matic has the mentality of a Premier League winner.
Matic for me every day of the week.
Dier.
Both are quite mediocre, but I suppose they have their own plus points.
Dier is younger, with a greater propensity to grow as a player. He can also play at least two positions fairly competently. Not really a plus, but the fact that he is allegedly a big Manchester United fan may go down well with some fans.
Matic is far more proven, with 2 PL titles under his belt, and has already worked under the current manager and will know what to expect. His highest level was far greater than anything Dier has offered. Though, he was at the absolute nadir of his career two seasons ago, and even in his title win last season seems like a shadow of the player that he was when he returned. At the age of 28 - 29 in a week - it's more likely this somewhat gradual decline will continue.
Dier is younger, with a greater propensity to grow as a player. He can also play at least two positions fairly competently. Not really a plus, but the fact that he is allegedly a big Manchester United fan may go down well with some fans.
Matic is far more proven, with 2 PL titles under his belt, and has already worked under the current manager and will know what to expect. His highest level was far greater than anything Dier has offered. Though, he was at the absolute nadir of his career two seasons ago, and even in his title win last season seems like a shadow of the player that he was when he returned. At the age of 28 - 29 in a week - it's more likely this somewhat gradual decline will continue.
Dier. Not sure you guys are following Matic that much if you think he is much better... As he plays for my NT, I follow him very closely and, unfortunately, he massively declined in every single aspect of his game... Really don't want him here and I'm usually biased when it comes to players from my country.
Depends on the fee, but if it's Matic for £40m or Dier for £60m, I think United should go with the former. More experienced, proven winner, at his peak better than Dier is at the moment and at 28/29 he should still be there or there abouts, also he's worked with José before and I feel would fit the role and formation better.
I don't think either are good enough long-term, but at least Matic would only be a stop-gap. Dier would be a heavy investment and stuck on a 5 year £100k+ a week contract and probably end up needing to be replaced in 2-3 years anyway when United realise he'll never be world-class.
(But yeah, besides the point of the thread, United should have went for Fabinho earlier in the window when Monaco were more likely to sell, or even Krychowiak now).
I don't think either are good enough long-term, but at least Matic would only be a stop-gap. Dier would be a heavy investment and stuck on a 5 year £100k+ a week contract and probably end up needing to be replaced in 2-3 years anyway when United realise he'll never be world-class.
(But yeah, besides the point of the thread, United should have went for Fabinho earlier in the window when Monaco were more likely to sell, or even Krychowiak now).
All of the world's football teams to scour, coupled with an outrageously healthy budget and promising CL football and it comes down to either Dier, a limited footballer with good physical and mental traits, and Matic, a regressing footballer, some two years past his peak with limited mobiity.
How in the entirety of world football aren't there other realistic options? What do scouts do? armchair fans could have simply plucked these two options off the top of their mind within seconds.
How in the entirety of world football aren't there other realistic options? What do scouts do? armchair fans could have simply plucked these two options off the top of their mind within seconds.
Dier - prefer mediocre English to mediocre foreign
Doesn't count as a homegrown player. Can't even be a mediocre English player properly.
Obviously Dier
- Matic; Experienced as a title winner and in CL. Old enough that we could blood in a younger player without headaches.
- Dier; More versatile. Young enough to grow into a (potentially) better player, and give a decade of service.
Rotation for Ander that isn't Fellaini or a creaky Carrick is what we need most, to my mind. Not sure either could cover what he brings to the table.
Still, voted Dier.
Dier is a typical over hyped England player, so average. Matic has one titles and can perform in the big games, he'd bring experience. I'm not crazy about either in general but think experience will be important. We have CL football and many young players, need a mix and Jose has managed him before. The fee is worrying to be honest. I think it's crazy paying 40m plus on a player that turns 29, short sighted buy with no resale value.
Dier straits.
Dier is good but does he possess the winning mentality of Matic ? Perhaps Kyle Walker would have something to say about that.
Neither are good enough but Dier, he's younger, more mobile, more agressive and at least has room to become better, Matic moves like a cargo ship and is already past his best.
Matic seems to be the better player on the ball but I couldn't care less either way.
At least Mourinho has worked with Matic before.
At least Mourinho has worked with Matic before.
Dier.
Matic is better but Dier is younger and english.
Matic is better but Dier is younger and english.
Form is temporary. Class is permanent.
Matic is a very good player. His Chelsea association irks me. But were he to come into the team and get back to his best, we'd do better than Dier at his best right now.
Matic is a very good player. His Chelsea association irks me. But were he to come into the team and get back to his best, we'd do better than Dier at his best right now.
Matic without any doubt, much more experienced, a better player and exactly what we need.
I don't get the negativity around either. Both are very good players and it would be tough to find a better DM today. Don't understand why people think Fabinho would be better.
I'd have either but would prefer Dier due to his age and versatility.
I'd have either but would prefer Dier due to his age and versatility.
Any player whose name starts with Nemanja and ends in '-ic' should do a proper job for us. 
Pretty weak reasons to prefer a player you acknowledge as inferior.
Dier because if age, versatility and fk ability.
Both players would significantly improve the team, I'd take either of them
I still prefer Fabinho
I like Dier and would prefer him. But it makes a lot more sense to get Matic because he's at the age where he can improve us immediately and give us quick returns. Matic would also be a good mentor for some of our younger players (Tuanzebe, Fosu-Mensah) to blood them into that role in the near future.
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