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Dele 'Muhammad' Alli | Walker takes the finger from Dele | FIFA open disciplinary proceedings
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Because fans like the players who play for their teams. If Tim Cahill had of played for Utd I would have told you he was the new Platini. Doesn't mean it would be true.
James beattie scored 91 in 331apps. Johnson scored 71 in 187apps in the EPL. they were both poor goalscorers. Phillips has 92 in 263. Their legends become exaggerate as the years go by. Alli is a much more dynamic player. He scores some wonder goals, gets assists, is mobile and can dribble better. He has more in his locker.
I should have worded it better, I meant they both scored a lot of goals in a PL season. So goals alone doesn't always prove the ability of a player because they were both average.
I am not comparing them to Alli because he is a very good player and way better than they were. I just think he is a little bit overrated.
me too. I doubt he will ever be world class.
I think a lot of members on here don't see Dele's movement is one of his biggest assists. Today again he popped up in places amazingly, To compare him to Beattie is very ill informed.
Tim Cahill is a good comparison. Alli is a better version of him.
No better than Lingard. Will continue to give average performances and be a nobody in 3 years. Might score a goal or 2 every few games and everyone will start talking as if he's Messi again.
Whats Lingaurds biggest goal haul in a season?
Sorry, but there's no way I can agree with any of that.
Alli is a great player and one of England's best talents. A poor game doesn't change that.
fecks sake
Bless you for living up to your tagline.
Tim Cahill's best season was 13 goals, Ali at only 21 has scored 10 and 18 in 2 seasons. What is your definition of "better version".
His movements without the ball are nice and he's pretty good in front of the goal. But overall he is an average player. You could say the same for Lukaku, great goalscorer but not a good player. But Lukaku is a striker, Dele Alli lack a lot of things for an AM...vision, skills, first touch, passes... He doesn't create enough chances and his % of take-ons are shocking.
That's explain why when he doesn't score, he's poor. Weird and overrated player. Not good enough for a top top side despite his hype in the UK.
That's explain why when he doesn't score, he's poor. Weird and overrated player. Not good enough for a top top side despite his hype in the UK.
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Do you realise how utterly stupid what you have just posted is? It's like saying if your daddy had a vagina he would be your mum.
Does it occur to you that when people talk about comparisons, they might be talking about more than goal output? Maybe the style of play?Tim Cahill's best season was 13 goals, Ali at only 21 has scored 10 and 18 in 2 seasons. What is your definition of "better version".
I'm not necessarily supporting the other guys viewpoint, but that just seems to be your go-to.
It is funny ground though, because goals win games. You can't just dismiss Alli's brilliant output over the last few seasons.
Off the top of my head, you could say Inzaghi was a much better version of Chicharito. Both poachers, one considerably better, but stylistically similar. That might be a shite comparison, but hopefully you can see what I'm trying to say.
I know what you are saying but I've said twice Ali is moe than goals. His movement into space is outstanding and thats something you don't see in a highlight real. I think what clouds people opinion is his nasty streak, which I don't condone, but he's only a kid.
Your comparison with Inzaghi and Chich is valid but Inzaghi done what he done at international level which makes him stand out more.
I actually think his England form is another reason why he's getting a bit of stick. We as United fans should know better. Plenty of United fans have seen United players underperform for England and it happens because of the style of play and going from playing for one of the top teams in the division for an average international team.
Isn't that right?
England lack a playmaker, Lallana is the only option and the guy is never available. They have no other Eriksen, Mata or Silva type player. That's been there problem since god knows when? Scoles? Gazza? Hoddle?
Very good point - though he isn't very good atm I'd like to see barkley move and start to learn how to play a tad deeper than he usually does - only because England need someone like him as you said & other than him & lallana there isn't anyone. Is Loftus cheek a playmaker? Not actually seen him play.
The Caf oldies of player is a finish article at 21 y.o., and will never improve.
"He just scored 22 goals and put numerous assists, last season". Nahh he's still average because he is not a playmaker as well.
ffs.
"He just scored 22 goals and put numerous assists, last season". Nahh he's still average because he is not a playmaker as well.
ffs.
I think the point is you could not rely on him to be the creative force in a team. Essentially he operates as a second forward and his contribution to build up is actually not a lot. In Spurs system that is fine as they have eriksen (who is brilliant player imo) to do that.
Look at Alli for England compared to Spurs. England seem to think he is some sort of playmaker because he scores a load of goals but nothing could be further from the truth IMO.
I fear this will be another case of English fans expecting a player to be something he is not or never has been.
He still needs to be played with another 10 to get best of him.
I really dislike Alli but you all are badly discrediting his talent. He'll be one of the best players in a few years.
Did I just read that? How is a great goalscorer not a good player?
Bar a few sporadic moments of quality, his performances thus far in the campaign have been way below his usual high standards. Clearly he is missing Danny Rose, as they do share an almost telepathic understanding down that left flank.
No chance.
Ali is a good player I'd love him at United. There's a real lack of goal scoring midfielders these days he'd be a great addition to most clubs. I actually think the opposite he'll easily be one of the best midfielders in Europe in a couple of years.
Pochettino should have taken him off instead of Son. Son creates his own chances and gives them width whereas yesterday everything was too congested. Alli is not in good form right now so some time on the bench wouldn't harm him.
For Spurs overall, too many passes and not enough running off the ball which is unusual from them.
Full credit to Swansea for defending brilliantly and closing the space though. I don't like seeing every defensive masterclass rendered to simply 'parking the bus'. Before that nonsense phrase came about we used to praise good defending for what it was. They responded to everything Spurs threw at them well and tried to forge counters so it was a very good game plan by Clement.
For Spurs overall, too many passes and not enough running off the ball which is unusual from them.
Full credit to Swansea for defending brilliantly and closing the space though. I don't like seeing every defensive masterclass rendered to simply 'parking the bus'. Before that nonsense phrase came about we used to praise good defending for what it was. They responded to everything Spurs threw at them well and tried to forge counters so it was a very good game plan by Clement.
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Christ, footballers are bellends nowadays.
That's not serious right? Right?!
I guess one could make a case for their FIFA score rating being important as more kids/adults play them thereby increasing their commercial marketability. That's a bit of a stretch though. Poor Iwobi, no improvement
Yeah, probably lower than 80 is more realistic.
Surely Iwobi can’t refuse to play with himself as well. I mean he is the only one who would.
84 rating is very good.
He can just contact EA and get himself a unique "Pro Player" card for Ultimate Team with 95 overall and wildly exaggerated stats.
Martial did it and got this 95 rated card last year:
https://i.redd.it/voetr1hyibry.jpg
The fact that he cares enough for this to become a news article on SkySports is sad as feck, though.
Martial did it and got this 95 rated card last year:
https://i.redd.it/voetr1hyibry.jpg
The fact that he cares enough for this to become a news article on SkySports is sad as feck, though.
He's obviously joking.
If he really cares it's sad. To me, it just sounds like a jokey reply to a journo question which has been turned into more half-hearted grist for the 'sports news' mill. Bit of banter.
He is over 90% of Messi's rating.. that to me is a bit generous..