Dele 'Muhammad' Alli | Walker takes the finger from Dele | FIFA open disciplinary proceedings

GlastonSpur said:
Why would he, when the most important thing for him is to keep Pochettino happy? Besides, Allli's sale value may well to go up again next season, so that's another reason for not selling now.
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It could also go down if he gets a long term injury or has a worse season.

I personally don't see him leaving. Levy doesn't need the money, and he is on a long term contract and Tottenham are on the up.

You just need to get a cup/title win in the next couple years to push you onto the next level.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Yes - the bet was never intended to be about the stadium opening date, regardless of what @MullerUtd wants to turn it into.

The bet I'm offering is about Alli still being at Spurs for the 2018-19 season (i.e. the season after next), that being when the new stadium is expected to open. There are still no takers for this bet, despite all the posts about the supposed forthcoming exodus of our star players. As I said before, curious that.
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:lol: He quoted you where you say "I've said that I'm willing to bet that Alli steps out for Spurs when we start playing in the new stadium ... but there have been no takers so far. How curious.

Playing in the new stadium means when the stadium is completed.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I was talking about evidence that Alli is "unhappy, or soon to leave Spurs" - the quote you mentioned is not evidence of either. The bet I'm offering - pertaining to the start of the 2018-19 season - is open for you to take up if you wish.
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But if he was completely happy he'd just say yes I'll be here for the foreseeable which would end all questions and conversations on the subject but he didn't which is more evidence that he's thinking of leaving than staying.

I'd love us to get him Toby and Christian but if , well when we don't, I hope you keep them and compete for everything, I'd much sooner see you lot win stuff than Arse, Liverpool and City.

As for the bet, you said he'd be playing in the new stadium NOT a particular season, there's no argument, you quoted yourself lol.

That's like saying a boxer will win a fight and then changing it to the boxer will win in a particular round, completely different bet.
 
But if he was completely happy he'd just say yes I'll be here for the foreseeable which would end all questions and conversations on the subject but he didn't which is more evidence that he's thinking of leaving than staying.

I'd love us to get him Toby and Christian but if , well when we don't, I hope you keep them and compete for everything, I'd much sooner see you lot win stuff than Arse, Liverpool and City.

As for the bet, you said he'd be playing in the new stadium NOT a particular season, there's no argument, you quoted yourself lol.

That's like saying a boxer will win a fight and then changing it to the boxer will win in a particular round, completely different bet.
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I say again, I'm talking about evidence that Alli is "unhappy, or soon to leave Spurs". His quoted words provide no such evidence, far less "more evidence".

As for rest, if you think I'm going to be bounced into taking a bet that I'm not actually offering, then think again. l'd have imagined, given some of the posts in the thread, that someone would be willing to bet against Alli staying at Spurs for the next two seasonS, but it seems not.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'm quite happy to challenge your claimed "practically a law of the game" and offer a bet that Alli will be stepping out for Spurs in our new stadium.
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GlastonSpur said:
I've said that I'm willing to bet that Alli steps out for Spurs when we start playing in the new stadium ... but there have been no takers so far. How curious.
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Then you changed it to this, so nobody is bouncing you into a bet you didn't make, you did make the bet but then changed it to suit yourself.:lol:


GlastonSpur said:
You're on. So for £100 the bet is that Alli will still be part of the Spurs squad after the summer 2018 transfer window has closed and so will still be at Spurs for 2018-19 season. I say he will and you say he won't. OK?
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GlastonSpur said:
That's not the bet I'm offering - the bet I'm offering is about Alli still being at Spurs for the 2018-19 season. It's not a bet about stadium opening dates.
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MullerUtd said:
When it comes to betting, it's better to make things specific and I'm taking on your bet going by your statement WORD for WORD. This was your original statement:

I've said that I'm willing to bet that Alli steps out for Spurs when we start playing in the new stadium ... but there have been no takers so far. How curious.

Nothing you said here has anything to do with Alli still being at Spurs for the 2018-2019 season but whether he will still be playing for Spurs in your new stadium. Therefore if your new stadium's opening date gets delayed somehow and if the 2018-2019 summer transfer window has closed, technically my bet still stands.
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100% correct, it's Glaston who's backed out on the bet, curious eh.

GlastonSpur said:
2018-19 was clearly implied in my original wording, since that is the widely expected opening date for the new stadium. But I am not entering into a bet as desired by you that hinges in part on potential delays to construction schedules.

The bet is - and is supposed to be - about Alli and Spurs, not construction timetables. Of course you know this, but decided to try it on anyway. This is not Bet365 or PaddyPower.
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Absolutely nothing implied in your original wording about the season, there's only one person trying it on . :rolleyes:
 
GlastonSpur said:
I say again, I'm talking about evidence that Alli is "unhappy, or soon to leave Spurs". His quoted words provide no such evidence, far less "more evidence".

As for rest, if you think I'm going to be bounced into taking a bet that I'm not actually offering, then think again. l'd have imagined, given some of the posts in the thread, that someone would be willing to bet against Alli staying at Spurs for the next two seasonS, but it seems not.
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Except that someone clearly did want to take you up on the bet you offered.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I've said that I'm willing to bet that Alli steps out for Spurs when we start playing in the new stadium ... but there have been no takers so far. How curious.
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GlastonSpur said:
As for rest, if you think I'm going to be bounced into taking a bet that I'm not actually offering, then think again. l'd have imagined, given some of the posts in the thread, that someone would be willing to bet against Alli staying at Spurs for the next two seasonS, but it seems not.
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:lol: You just CMO'd yourself there
 
Mihai said:
:lol: You just CMO'd yourself there
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Not at all, as I've already said the 2018-19 season date was implicit in the original offer ... since this is the widely expected stadium opening date. It doesn't wash trying to pull a fast one by changing the intended bet into something that hinges on potential construction delays rather than on Alli over the next 2 seasons.

What it shows, however, is that despite all the bullish posts about Alli leaving Spurs, no one is confident enough to take up my bet ... despite the existence of 2 whole seasons in which they can win it.
 
Is this still going on? The guy who offered the bet didn't specify a time limit. If he was never pulled up on that it would be a cop out later. You can't just say "that wasn't the spirit of the bed I intended".

Surely the best option would be to revise the bet and word for word make sure it conveys the exact terms of the bet being offered.

Anyhow back on topic, I think Dele Alli sums it up very well. Football is very unpredictable and circumstances change very fast. He may seem happy enough for now but if Spurs don't progress from here then the prospect of a new stadium is going to matter very little. Chelsea will soon have a new stadium, so then theirs will be the best facilities wise. Even Barca and Madrid would like to re-do their stadiums soon. It's a rat race where someone new will have the best stadium after a certain duration. What cannot be matched is the iconic status in world football of a stadium like Old Trafford. In fact only one other club in the country can boast anything near the same level. For a player surely the most important thing is to continue the title charge next season and get even closer to winning it (if not win it this time). I'm sure an improved showing in Europe will also aid Spurs. Silverware and an improved overall campaign is the key to keeping the players happy, but you can compensate somewhat with wages. I'd expect Spurs to have to start offering the kind of wages the other big boys do to keep their best players, especially if they can't quite clinch a trophy or two.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Not at all, as I've already said the 2018-19 season date was implicit in the original offer ... since this is the widely expected stadium opening date. It doesn't wash trying to pull a fast one by changing the intended bet into something that hinges on potential construction delays rather than on Alli over the next 2 seasons.

What it shows, however, is that despite all the bullish posts about Alli leaving Spurs, no one is confident enough to take up my bet ... despite the existence of 2 whole seasons in which they can win it.
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Again, I will quote your post, as it seems you have difficulties at remembering what you write:

GlastonSpur said:
I've said that I'm willing to bet that Alli steps out for Spurs when we start playing in the new stadium ... but there have been no takers so far. How curious.
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Do you say anything about the date? NO
Are there people willing to bet? YES

The only person not confident to take your bet is yourself.
 
Mihai said:
Again, I will quote your post, as it seems you have difficulties at remembering what you write:



Do you say anything about the date? NO
Are there people willing to bet? YES

The only person not confident to take your bet is yourself.
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I've explained, but you wilfully pretend not to get it - too bad. Go ahead and knock yourself out with further mindless posts if you wish.
 
Bastian said:
Because he wasn't raised in the Spurs youth setup and did not dream of playing for Spurs since he was a toddler and has no special allegiance to the club other than enjoying his footie for a couple of years?
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Was not referring to what he wants.

Referring to what Levy wants.
 
If he is to become one of the world best players, it's just matter of time before he leaves for clubs such as Real, Barca or Bayern. Otherwise, he would become a good player but not one of the world best.

His recent comment means he is thinking about the next stop already.
 
GlastonSpur said:
A bigger capacity, but not better ... partly because they were all built some while ago and are not state-of-the-art.
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Who the feck are Spurs to comparing your stadium to Camp Nou of Barcelona, Santiago Bernabeu of Real Madrid, Old Trafford of Man United?

Their stadiums are well-known by billions of people around the world, including their massive fan-bases. So many memories, trophies are there and so many world legend footballers used to play football there. All are huge and priceless intangible assets. If the clubs are to sell their stadium naming rights as Tottenham is going to do, the value of the deal would be massive.

On the other hands, you are building a new and trophy-less stadium.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I've explained, but you wilfully pretend not to get it - too bad. Go ahead and knock yourself out with further mindless posts if you wish.
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You started with the comment that no one is willing to bet against the fact that Alli will play for spurs at the opening of the new stadium. When someone said he would put £100, you changed it to 2018-2019 season.

There's nothing to explain here, it's either you stick to your own words or not. That's it.
 
Sassy Colin said:
We've got another live one here ;)
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You think he will be sold this summer?
Mihai said:
You started with the comment that no one is willing to bet against the fact that Alli will play for spurs at the opening of the new stadium. When someone said he would put £100, you changed it to 2018-2019 season.

There's nothing to explain here, it's either you stick to your own words or not. That's it.
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The expected opening of the new stadium is the 2018/19 season, it's not expected to run over the completion date so IMO it's being I think it's fair to assume that's what Glaston meant instead of acting like some strong arm, gangster bully lol.
 
Claude Makélélé said:
Who the feck are Spurs to comparing your stadium to Camp Nou of Barcelona, Santiago Bernabeu of Real Madrid, Old Trafford of Man United?

Their stadiums are well-known by billions of people around the world, including their massive fan-bases. So many memories, trophies are there and so many world legend footballers used to play football there. All are huge and priceless intangible assets. If the clubs are to sell their stadium naming rights as Tottenham is going to do, the value of the deal would be massive.

On the other hands, you are building a new and trophy-less stadium.
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Pffft, you've not heard of the NFL plans and retractable pitches etc. It its the Shit!
 
Sassy Colin said:
I can be no more sure about that than you can be that he will be running out in the new stadium in Spurs colours.
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I can make a well educated assessment on what I think, Levy kept hold of players before that demanded out before. I mean this whole thing has came about because Ali, a 21 year old kid, was asked about his future. He said he didn't know if he would spend his career at Tottenham or leave at some point. He hasn't said he wanted out or stated he was unhappy, as usual media spins the story to make money.

That along with the fact Levy won't sell prized assets to other English clubs leads me to believe for the foreseeable future we will keep Ali, and the players we want to keep, but we must keep up the level we have been at and win something. Of course I could be wrong but a football forum would be useless without opinions.
 
Fantastic young player and I think he would fit in very at Man City if he did choose to leave. Dele Alli in a midfield with Silva, De Bruyne and Fernandinho is very good.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I can make a well educated assessment on what I think, Levy kept hold of players before that demanded out before. I mean this whole thing has came about because Ali, a 21 year old kid, was asked about his future. He said he didn't know if he would spend his career at Tottenham or leave at some point. He hasn't said he wanted out or stated he was unhappy, as usual media spins the story to make money.

That along with the fact Levy won't sell prized assets to other English clubs leads me to believe for the foreseeable future we will keep Ali, and the players we want to keep, but we must keep up the level we have been at and win something. Of course I could be wrong but a football forum would be useless without opinions.
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Levy is Perez's bitch. If Real come calling Alli will be out of there faster than shite off a shiny shovel.
 
Claude Makélélé said:
Who the feck are Spurs to comparing your stadium to Camp Nou of Barcelona, Santiago Bernabeu of Real Madrid, Old Trafford of Man United?

Their stadiums are well-known by billions of people around the world, including their massive fan-bases. So many memories, trophies are there and so many world legend footballers used to play football there. All are huge and priceless intangible assets. If the clubs are to sell their stadium naming rights as Tottenham is going to do, the value of the deal would be massive.

On the other hands, you are building a new and trophy-less stadium.
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First of all, the post I replied to - before you jumped in - also mentioned the stadia of Chelsea, City and PSG. Secondly I'm talking about stadia in terms of their design, features and facilities, not about trophies won there or fan base or memories or who has played there. And thirdly, the sales value of naming rights is to do with the club as a whole and not just the stadium concerned.

Regardless of your condescending rant, I have many reasons right to think the new Spurs stadium is going to be awesome and better (not bigger, but better) than some of the stadia referred to. For example, it will have the largest single-tier stand ('kop') in the UK, bigger even than Borussia Dortmund’s ‘Yellow Wall’.

It has also been designed to bring the fans as close to the pitch as possible (closer than at any other modern stadium in the country) and has been acoustically engineered in several different ways to maximise the volume and longevity of the sound made by fans. These various acoustic features include a curved stadium roof, lined with aluminium to help bounce sound back towards the pitch, and even include fine tuning the acoustic properties of the material from which the seats are made.

There are in addition many other features: e.g. the sky lounge, a sky walk, a glass tunnel players entrance, a five-storey high glass atrium at the south end to provide a new focus for home supporters before and after the match, comfortable modern seating with more leg-room than at any other comparable ground in the UK, the longest general admission bar in any UK stadium, a micro-brewery, an in-house bakery ... the list goes on, and that's without even mentioning the many features and facilities outside of the stadium itself but within the stadium complex.

In general terms it's been designed to be much more than a place where fans just come to a match and then go home - it's intended to be a "day-long" experience.
 
GlastonSpur said:
First of all, the post I replied to - before you jumped in - also mentioned the stadia of Chelsea, City and PSG. Secondly I'm talking about stadia in terms of their design, features and facilities, not about trophies won there or fan base or memories or who has played there. And thirdly, the sales value of naming rights is to do with the club as a whole and not just the stadium concerned.

Regardless of your condescending rant, I have many reasons right to think the new Spurs stadium is going to be awesome and better (not bigger, but better) than some of the stadia referred to. For example, it will have the largest single-tier stand ('kop') in the UK, bigger even than Borussia Dortmund’s ‘Yellow Wall’.

It has also been designed to bring the fans as close to the pitch as possible (closer than at any other modern stadium in the country) and has been acoustically engineered in several different ways to maximise the volume and longevity of the sound made by fans. These various acoustic features include a curved stadium roof, lined with aluminium to help bounce sound back towards the pitch, and even include fine tuning the acoustic properties of the material from which the seats are made.

There are in addition many other features: e.g. the sky lounge, a sky walk, a glass tunnel players entrance, a five-storey high glass atrium at the south end to provide a new focus for home supporters before and after the match, comfortable modern seating with more leg-room than at any other comparable ground in the UK, the longest general admission bar in any UK stadium, a micro-brewery, an in-house bakery ... the list goes on, and that's without even mentioning the many features and facilities outside of the stadium itself but within the stadium complex.

In general terms it's been designed to be much more than a place where fans just come to a match and then go home - it's intended to be a "day-long" experience.
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Are they bothering with a trophy cabinet?
 
InLevyITrust said:
You think he will be sold this summer?


The expected opening of the new stadium is the 2018/19 season, it's not expected to run over the completion date so IMO it's being I think it's fair to assume that's what Glaston meant instead of acting like some strong arm, gangster bully lol.
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Then why did he refuse to continue?
 
You all know WC 2018 will make or break a lot of super transfers that Summer!
 
If he keeps this up for another season, his contribution would warrant wages similar to other top PL players; Pogba, Sanchez, Hazard, etc. etc.

Spurs are going to have to smash their wage bill one day or he is off.

They will not be the only club in world football to buck this trend.
 
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