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mitchmouse said:
well over the years, lots of United fans said Carrick wasn't good enough for United and blamed him when things went wrong
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A lot of misremembering from United fans. Overall the player he became was a success and key to the team.
however, and I’m reading the carrick autobiography at the moment, he was in and out of the team early on. A lot of people remember from a CL final that he was really schooled by Barca. No shame in that but a lot of United fans called his performance cowardly at the time. Perhaps that sticks in memories
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
It's really odd. Might be some good old-fashioned British bias.

Fred's passing is Tom Hank to be fair but everything else he is great at.
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Whilst I agree his passing isn’t the best he’s actually more progressive in his passing, he passes forwards a lot more than I’ve seen from Rice.

Whenever I see Rice play it’s almost always sideways 5 yard shithousery. One of the reasons I have no real interest in him.
 
golden_blunder said:
A lot of misremembering from United fans. Overall the player he became was a success and key to the team.
however, and I’m reading the carrick autobiography at the moment, he was in and out of the team early on. A lot of people remember from a CL final that he was really schooled by Barca. No shame in that but a lot of United fans called his performance cowardly at the time. Perhaps that sticks in memories
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That was always a stupid one. He played next to Giggs in a two-man midfield against Xavi, Iniesta, and Busquets. Carrick had no chance.
 
MU655 said:
That was always a stupid one. He played next to Giggs in a two-man midfield against Xavi, Iniesta, and Busquets. Carrick had no chance.
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3 man midfield with anderson. There was the match against Bayern around that time he was blamed for a couple of goals too. And dembele and toure tended to give him a hard time. He was a very good midfielder (better than anyone we've had since) but he had a weakness or two.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Schneirderlin was a no brainer according to the caf, wouldn’t need time to settle, PL proven blah blah blah.
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Yes and personally I wondered if I was missing something when all that came about as he was just such an average workhorse to me, I really wasnt excited about him as a signing at all.

I am not saying Rice is the dogs nuts or even the answer, but forgettign the price, I am just as surprised how negative this forum is of Rice as a player. Been excellent for West Ham improving significantly year on year.

In only against him as a signing due to the price and that he is quite similar to our current options if/when Pogba leaves bar VDB who doesnt fit to me anyway. But I do think he offers a lot more all round and especially defensively to our double pivot than what we have
 
mitchmouse said:
I keeps see people here quoting £90m. where is that figure coming from? I'm not saying you are wrong but 1) I haven't seen it and 2) Is it just a made-up figure in the press?
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Who knows. I read figures from £80-100m as the rumour though. I think the main thing to consider with premiership prices is Rice for West Ham is there captain, young, English and there biggest player. Even if these figures are wrong, really couldnt see Wst Ham prepared to sell him under £65-70m for example which is still a huge huge fee
 
MU655 said:
That was always a stupid one. He played next to Giggs in a two-man midfield against Xavi, Iniesta, and Busquets. Carrick had no chance.
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Probably be slaughtered by many. For me though I think people remember Carrick slightly with rose tinted glasses when he played a lot of his career for us in a weak midfield....and of course that midfielders since have struggled so much.

Personally though he was good, I thought he did struggle at times in the high tempo games and his lack of England opportunities for the first half of his career were not a travesty as he didnt shine as brightly as people made out.

I thought the last 4-5years for us Carrick really grew as a player with his experience and during that period, plaudits were far more deserved. But as a whole his career hear he was a very very good player, but not the legend he seems to be remembered as
 
jesperjaap said:
Probably be slaughtered by many. For me though I think people remember Carrick slightly with rose tinted glasses when he played a lot of his career for us in a weak midfield....and of course that midfielders since have struggled so much.

Personally though he was good, I thought he did struggle at times in the high tempo games and his lack of England opportunities for the first half of his career were not a travesty as he didnt shine as brightly as people made out.

I thought the last 4-5years for us Carrick really grew as a player with his experience and during that period, plaudits were far more deserved. But as a whole his career hear he was a very very good player, but not the legend he seems to be remembered as
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I agree with you, he got better with experience but in the prior years he was good but not as good as some memories
 
jesperjaap said:
Probably be slaughtered by many. For me though I think people remember Carrick slightly with rose tinted glasses when he played a lot of his career for us in a weak midfield....and of course that midfielders since have struggled so much.

Personally though he was good, I thought he did struggle at times in the high tempo games and his lack of England opportunities for the first half of his career were not a travesty as he didnt shine as brightly as people made out.

I thought the last 4-5years for us Carrick really grew as a player with his experience and during that period, plaudits were far more deserved. But as a whole his career hear he was a very very good player, but not the legend he seems to be remembered as
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His passing from deep was very good in general when I think about Carrick being good.

Everything else was a level or two below some of best midfielder players of his generation.
 
The United said:
His passing from deep was very good in general when I think about Carrick being good.

Everything else was a level or two below some of best midfielder players of his generation.
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His defensive positioning was excellent too. Stronger than his passing imo. He was slightly lindelof like passive in terms of sticking the boot in when needed though, only real weakness in an other wise well rounded player.
 
Midfield is all about partnerships.

A Rice Pogba Midfield sounds great to me. I liked Pogba in the two when Matic was more mobile.

A Rice Fred midfield sounds awful to me.

A Rice Donny Midfield probably doesn't have the passing range etc
 
jesperjaap said:
Probably be slaughtered by many. For me though I think people remember Carrick slightly with rose tinted glasses when he played a lot of his career for us in a weak midfield....and of course that midfielders since have struggled so much.

Personally though he was good, I thought he did struggle at times in the high tempo games and his lack of England opportunities for the first half of his career were not a travesty as he didnt shine as brightly as people made out.

I thought the last 4-5years for us Carrick really grew as a player with his experience and during that period, plaudits were far more deserved. But as a whole his career hear he was a very very good player, but not the legend he seems to be remembered as
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This, a very good player, not a great one.
Like Lukaku in that he excelled against lesser opposition but disappeared occasionally in the crucial games hence the "Coward" jibes.
 
Just a question about Carrick - had pressing been that much of a tactic when he was playing compared to the way it was post Klopp’s introduction to the game?

I hardly remember seeing it back then except maybe Barcelona?
 
GMoore23 said:
This, a very good player, not a great one.
Like Lukaku in that he excelled against lesser opposition but disappeared occasionally in the crucial games hence the "Coward" jibes.
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I think something that people should remember is that Carrick was our main defensive midfielder most of the time. People always compare him to the likes of Scholes, Pirlo, Xavi, Alonso, etc, and he obviously comes up a bit short in terms of passing and creativity. But the fact that he was close enough to be mentioned in the same breath as them while actually playing a different role (a role that none of them were defensively good enough to play) was a huge strength. It actually allowed us to do something that pretty much nobody else could do and play two true playmakers together in midfield (Carrick-Scholes), while all the others I mentioned needed a more defensive player to help them out. The only other team that could do something similar was Barcelona with Busquets next to Xavi.

He wasn't perfect and he did go through a rough 18 month period after the first Barca loss (he's since come out and said he was probably suffering from depression at the time), but I always felt some people had unrealistic expectations on him at times. Basically expected Carrick to dominate the game in a way that normally wouldn't be expected of the defensive midfielder in other teams. Not just now, but it's something I remember having to point out quite a bit back while it was happening. Of course, he eventually even did start doing that in his latter years as he both became more experienced and had to carry weaker partners.
 
caid said:
His defensive positioning was excellent too. Stronger than his passing imo. He was slightly lindelof like passive in terms of sticking the boot in when needed though, only real weakness in an other wise well rounded player.
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Fair enough. But, I think having Vidic, Rio, Fletcher etc playing with him means we were not that exposed at the back. So, I didn't want to say it as one of his strongest points. I didn't find him very special in that sense when he was playing under Jose and VG without those players.
 
I don't care if you rated him while he was playing or not but a prime Carrick would transform our team.

Pep even dropped 60m on a poor version of him.
 
I finally see it now. He's like fernandinho, only less of a cnut
 
Just such a brilliant sweeping midfielder. Covers all the spaces, so hard to get past, and just huge physically and a decent enough runner. Doesn't make many mistakes with his passing either which is all we need.

Honestly, I'd say he's my dream DM to get out of all options right now. Even a partnership with him and Camavinga could be incredible.
 
He's been good but also booted the ball unnecessarily and got beat twice by Chiesa when he had that shot which shouldn't happen.
 
Ayoba said:
I finally see it now. He's like fernandinho, only less of a cnut
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:lol: He's had a great night so far. The amount of times I've not got the hype with him it's only fair that I credit a huge half. He gave the Italian midfield a nightmare wit hand without the ball.
 
Just a polite reminder that this is not a performance thread. Thanks.
He’s been awful the rest of the tournament anyway
 
He'd be great partner to Pogba!

Similarly he'd be a poor partner with Fred as the partnership would be too limited.
 
I think Phillips is better but I would still take Rice for the right fee.
 
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